Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton? People keep arguing over whether

[GreenPartyVoter]

it should be an African American or a woman on the ballot for the GE. What if it was both?

A) What sort of turn out in favor of each ticket (C/O vs. O/C) would you expect?
B) Supporters of Obama and Clinton, assuming that you truly dislike the other candidate and would not vote for him/her, would your candidate running as veep for the other make a difference in your ABC or ABO plans?
C) Could you see Obama and Clinton making this sort of deal to run together in the first place?

[pbca]

1. I don't thnk either of them

is going to take second billing to the other - too much bad blood now.

and

B) I wouldn't vote for any ticket with Hillary one it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Well, I dunno. Is the bad blood between them really that bad? Or is the bad blood here

at DU coloring perceptions of what is going on between them?

[musicblind]

10. I think you hit it RIGHT on the nose greenpartyvoter

I think a lot of people here who claim how much the candidates hate each other are being blinded by the hate on DU. DU does not represent these professional candidates. It is much like Professional Wrestling. I used to write for a local Pro Wrestling company. On stage the wrestlers quarrled, and backstage they often had upsets and disliked each other. In real life, though, most of these people don't hate each other... they have too much in common. Sure it is competitive, and they constantly play backstage politics with the writers to see who gets to win matches and who gets to hold title belts. It is very important because they don't want fans to see them as losers, they don't want to disappear from TV and be forgotten. But in the end, if they need to tag team together, or they need to drop the belt at the right time... they will do it! They don't hate each other, it's just a fierce political game. But their fans... oh their fans insist that they do. They insist this because their fans reflect their own lives onto the wrestlers. The fans know it's fake, no one thinks it is real anymore, but the just can't help but to reflect their lives onto these people they see on TV. Two famous wrestlers who HATED each other were Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels back in mid 90's... but when it came time to work together, they did! For the better of the company.

I think that this is a case of DUers and people in the MSM trying to reflect their own lives and personal feelings on Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama. They may not form a ticket together... but I do not believe that they hate each other.

[susankh4]

16. I believe you are correct....

And, ya know, politics is politics. It doesn't mean you can't drink vodka with your "enemy." I doesn't mean you can't run a country with him or her either.

Folks here take this battle way too seriously. Half of it's just plain acting.

[susankh4]

8. Sure you won't....

You will vote for McCain rather than Obama/Clinton. Is that right? Is that what you are intimating?

[pbca]

11. I'll vote 3rd party, or not at all

I won't vote for H.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. I know several people who feel that way about both O and C

[susankh4]

15. History would teach us that....

they will change their minds. Once Barack and Hillary call a truce.

[susankh4]

14. Good idea....

you can vote "present."

[pbca]

18. Yeah, probably that...

But I won't vote for Hillary. A lifetime ago - in 1996 I resigned from my local DCC rather than support Bills second term - because I felt betrayed by him (he didn't do what he ran on). I said on the day she announced that I would vote for my cat over Hillary and I haven't changed my mind.

[demokatgurrl]

20. Wow how principled. This is the kind of thing that gave us

Bush in the White House. Smart, very smart. And cool. And oh so independent.

[pbca]

21. Sorry you don't like Democracy

But I won't cave in to the logic that says 'You have to vote for my candidate, even if you don't like them - because you don't like the other candidate either'.

It's all academic anyway, I don't see any way for Hillary to get the nomination.

[sloppyjoe25s]

3. It's a bit hard to mix pro-war with anti-war

I think Mrs. Clinton will reach out to Obama if she wins the nom, but not vice versa.

I think it's 50/50 as to whether or not he would accept.

I would rather see him become Governor of Illinois if he does not get the nomination. It's better experience than being VP - especially in a co-presidnecy with Mr. and Mrs. Clinton.

[Johnny__Motown]

4. If it is Clinton/anyone the turn out will go down. If it is Obama/SomeOtherFemale it goes way way up

[susankh4]

5. I will vote for either combo!

And tho I am a Hillary supporter... I can actually see a value in an Obama/ Clinton ticket. Sorta like a JFK/LBJ thing.....

Paws crossed we'll see this happen! As I beleiev it would be *UNBEATABLE* and any other VP, this late in the game, just won't do. Not without fracturing the party.

[Yael]

6. That would be a disaster -- total mixed messages

[susankh4]

7. Sorta like the JFK/LBJ disaster ya mean?

Take a look at the fight that preceeded the two of them being on the same ticket. it was worse than this one, my friend.

When it's all said and done Hillary, I know, will do what's best for the party. And... my guess is Barack will too. (Although I don't know this for certain, cuz I don't know him like I know her.)

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. I wasn't here back int he JFK/LBJ era, so I don't know anything about what

the primaries were like then. How were they worse than what's going on now?

[susankh4]

13. I was quite young, myself...

But I have been told the battle between JFK and LBJ for the top spot threatened to fracture the party. Noone ever thought they would run together. And, even after they did... they did not really like one another. There were even speculations (long ago debunked) that LBJ had JFK offed.

My point is... nothing is impossible when it comes to politics. HRC and BHO could be embroiled in a bitter battle today, then end up making one heck of a team.

And, I dare say.... if they keep invoking JFK and LBJ in reference to themselves ..... the public will come to see it as inevitable.

[oasis]

17. Obama's not ready for any position of national leadership. He needs

to pay his dues in the senate awhile longer. This includes being present for important votes.

[demokatgurrl]

19. Neither. They are not going to run together.

Clinton should pick Wes clark. I have no idea who would be good to run with Obama. Oprah?