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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:31 PM
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Obama is a brilliant politician
Don't for a second think that Obama isn't a politician. He is. As a politician, of course one is going to have degrees of separation from shady characters looking for influence. I think if Obama supporters are going to sling mud at Hillary for the legions of people with less than stellar reputations that she has had associations with, than we ought to beable and take the mud that is flung back at us. The fact of the matter is that the Clinton's are being beaten at this point by their own game. Obama has upstaged Bill Clinton as the best politician the Democrats have had since Bill ran in 92. He is great at making a charge against Hillary or Bill yet looking above the fray. Hillary is simply unable to straddle that fence. When Hillary attacks, it looks like an attack. That is what is driving the Clinton supporters crazy. Nothing sticks to Obama. Hillary could still win the nominanation, but I get the feeling that the more the Clinton's go on the attack the next few weeks, the cleaner Obama will look.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:34 PM
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1. Yup, he's used Clinton tactics against them
and done it very successfully. That's what pisses them off. He's better at it than Bill and of course Hillary has no talent for it whatsoever.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:35 PM
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2. obama straddles a political fence better than anyone.
obama prefers to make NO decisions but he should get an attaboy for being 'present'.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:38 PM
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4. Acting stupid worked for Bush
Acting like an Actor worked for Reagan, Triangulating with empathy worked for Bill Clinton. The rules of politics are this. If you want to govern, you have to win. Obama knows what works for him. And for God's sake, if Obama gets 2 to 5 percent of the Republican vote this November, does that make him a sellout. No, it makes him a President.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:50 PM
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5. You don't assign an intern to perform complicated brain surgery.
Likewise you don't elect a freshman senator that sounds like Joel Osteen to correct the serious difficulties this nation faces.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:51 PM
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6. Obama has more Legislative Experience than Clinton
NM
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:53 PM
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7. Yep. Legislating 'present' is a GREAT accomplishment..........
and MORE THAN 130 times. obama can't even manage the top of his desk, how the hell do YOU expect him make tough decisions in the WH?
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:55 PM
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8. You called him out for being a Freshman Senator
I was just stating that Hillary has less experience than him. I'm glad you clarified. BTW, I'm not interested in food fights.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:10 PM
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10. Out of 4000 votes.
Very small percentage.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 PM
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12. One is One TOO MANY.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:02 PM
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9. Does that sweet dog know you're talking
like that?

:)
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:28 PM
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11. Yes. In fact he dictates and I type.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:46 PM
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15. Ha!
LOL!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 10:36 PM
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3. Voters are sick of the Clintons and sick of their sleazy ways.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:42 PM
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13. When the right accused Gore of claiming he'd invented
the Internet,the Left rolled their eyes and said, "How can people be so stupid? Why can't people with a brain just look at the damn facts?" But today, they believe every Clinton lie that same whore media feeds them.

I still believe HRC will be the nomination and I hope she beats obama so damn bad in any state race from here on out, and I hope she goes for the jugular against this jiveass empty suit. I know when HRC wins the nomination I know the obama folks will not help us win in November and that is alright cause it will make us work that much harder and can I tell you obama folks something? We're gonna win this thing. We're gonna get the votes we need and we're gonna win this thing. And you know what I'm gonna do after that, I mean that very night, I'm gonna go to TGIF's, I'm gonna order a big steak, and I'm gonna make a list of everybody from congress on down who tried to fuck us.

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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:48 PM
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16. Can you name some "sleazy ways?"
and why would voters be sick of the Clintons? Bill served his 2 terms as President and ended with very high positives at home and abroad. Hillary is doing a fine josb as Senator in NY. What have they done to deserve your venom?
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 PM
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14. He's a media creation
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-14-08 11:56 PM
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17. Clinton supporters can't fire back because they get accused of
race batting with every and any negative comment made against Obama. Look what happened to Bill Clinton with the fairy tale comment and Hillary with the MLK comment. It's like fighting with both hands tied behind your back.
It's really not fair! I wonder if the Rethugs will fall into the same trap or will they jump in with both feet? Only time will tell.
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