So...how should have Sen. Clinton responded?

[journalist3072]

I originally posted the following, here on DU on January 28.

But in light of the fact that some disingenuous folks here on DU are still trying to portray Sen. Clinton as the one who dug this campaign through the mud, I thought I'd post again.

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I wonder....how should Sen. Clinton have responded, when:

- Barack Obama said to the Chicago Tribune: "The default candidate for Democrats in this race was always going to be Hillary Clinton because she's Hillary Clinton as opposed to Hillary Rodham."

Source: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071012/FRONTPAGE/710120309

- David Axelrod (Obama's Karl Rove) says: "The fact that Senator Clinton is a polarizing figure in American politics is not even a point of debate. It's an empirical fact."

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aKQBgpmscW.0&refer=us

- While campaigning for Barack Obama, Laurence Tribe says of Sen. Hillary Clinton: "She's not really a phony, though she plays one on TV."

Source: http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071114/OPINION/711140415/1028/OPINION02

- Barack Obama says Sen. Clinton is: "afraid of losing a propaganda battle to some small-time dictator."

Source: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070930/FRONTPAGE/709300302/1043/NEWS01

- Obama Co-Chair Jesse Jackson, Jr. says we have to "analyze" the Clinton tears that "melted" the Granite state, and that she didn't cry about Katrina.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

- Joe Trippi, Senior Advisor to John Edwards, said of Sen. Clinton: "Let's kick her ass."

Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6822.html

Dave "Mudcat" Saunders, strategist for the John Edwards campaign, accuses Sen. Clinton of having "toxic coattails."

Source:
http://archives.gophercentral.com/Edwards_Says_He/'s_Most_Electable,_but..._progressive_review.html

A John Edwards campaign memo calls Sen. Clinton (and Barack Obama) "flawed choices."

Source: http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/edwards_campaign_memo_11408.pdf

Michelle Obama says Sen. Clinton "represents the same old thing over and over again."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/18/wuspols118.xml

The Obama campaign circulates a memo referring to Sen. Clinton as "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)." Note: To his credit, Obama did apologize for this, though he never fired the person(s) responsible for the memo.

Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/19/news/obama.php

The Obama campaign links Sen. Clinton's Iraq War Resolution vote, to Butto's assassination:

REPORTER: But looking ahead, does the assassination put on the front burner foreign policy credentials in the closing days?

AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved — we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this. I think his judgment was good. Sen. Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

Source: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Obamas_Pakistan_spin.html

See also:

And while many campaigns took studiously apolitical public stances in the wake of Bhutto’s murder, Obama’s advisers were frank in arguing that the new crisis on the subcontinent vindicates their candidate. Obama aides took particular aim at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, arguing that her vote to authorize the war in Iraq indirectly led to the turmoil in Pakistan by sapping resources from the battle against Al Qaeda. The skirmish reflects a larger struggle between an establishment Democratic view of the world and Obama’s call for a generational shift.

“Those who made the judgment that we ought to divert our attention from Afghanistan to invade Iraq and allow Al Qaeda to reconstitute and strengthen are now having to assess the wisdom of that judgment as we may be seeing yet another manifestation of Al Qaeda’s potency,” said Susan Rice, a top Obama foreign policy adviser who was an assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, in an interview with Politico.

Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7590.html


So, what exactly was Sen. Clinton to do? The same thing that John Kerry did in 2004? Let yourself be swiftboated without responding in a timely and forceful manner? Should she have just let the attacks go unresponded?

So, to Ted Kennedy and all the other so-called Democrats expressing faux outrage over the Clinton campaign, check yourself.

And while you're at it, check out this website: http://www.attacktimeline.com /


FYI: Here's the original thread on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4240519

[tyne]

1. I don't know

about anyone else. But, try those links provided.

Enough said?

[journalist3072]

2. I fixed the links....When I copied and pasted my original post into the one tonight

the links didn't paste properly. I fixed that...

[Clovis Sangrail]

3. I know your spoiling for a fight... but

when you post a rant with lots of links to back it up and the first 4 links are dead...
:shrug:

[journalist3072]

5. Uh...the links are NOT dead sweetheart....When I copied then from my original post...they didn't

completely copy...so I had to go back and fix that...Check the links again..they are not dead.

[Clovis Sangrail]

7. awww... thanks for fixing them snugle bunny

;)

[subsuelo]

9. I believe 'snuggle' has 2 g's thanks

[tyne]

6. Okay

You fixed the links. Show were Obama said anything even remotely comparable to your first assertion. Please. ( in a negative way I add)

[jasmine621]

4. Good post. shows the facts about who is slinging the mud and race baiting.

I just can't believe what is happening to the Dems. This divisiveness is worse than anything I have seen in politics in my life. I am so angry that Biden and Dodd dropped ouot so early. I am a Hillary supporter but I feel that we have lost control of who we get to vote for and our votes don't count as much as Independent and Republican votes cast in our own primaries.

[Clovis Sangrail]

8. most of that is being done by the supporters.. like the OP

Think about it.
Of all the links provided above to prove Obama is a race baiting mud slinger, only 2 of them are from him.
You'll see the mirror image from the people who hate Hillary and love Obama.

The candidates *do engage in it as well, but not nearly to the degree that their groupies do.

[fadedrose]

10. Lot of heat in the kitchen.. (nt)

[intaglio]

11. Journalist, who do you write for, National Enquirer? FFS

Barack Obama said to the Chicago Tribune: "The default candidate for Democrats in this race was always going to be Hillary Clinton because she's Hillary Clinton as opposed to Hillary Rodham."
MUD! SLANDER! Saying that she is the Big Dogs wife and has inherited his political machine, she has name recognition
This quote does not appear in the article linked
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David Axelrod (Obama's Karl Rove) says: "The fact that Senator Clinton is a polarizing figure in American politics is not even a point of debate. It's an empirical fact."
LOW BLOW! Like she's not? Like everyone from Freeperland to the outer reaches of DU loves her?
Quote in full ``The fact that Senator Clinton is a polarizing figure in American politics is not even a point of debate,'' said David Axelrod, a senior Obama campaign adviser. ``It's an empirical fact.''

Axelrod said the campaign's ``refined'' message would avoid the pitfalls associated with negative attacks. ``We're going to draw those distinctions, but what we won't do is kind of take out a spray gun and indiscriminately fire,'' he said.
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While campaigning for Barack Obama, Laurence Tribe says of Sen. Hillary Clinton: "She's not really a phony, though she plays one on TV."
HOLD THE FRONT PAGE! Obama Supporter Uses Soundbite to make joke about Clinton
Actual quote in full - Tribe called Clinton a smart woman, but defended her with this backhanded compliment: "She's not really a phony, though she plays one on TV."
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Barack Obama says Sen. Clinton is: "afraid of losing a propaganda battle to some small-time dictator."
SCREAM! We gotta misquote to try and make Obama look bad!
Not in the article. Actual quote in full "It's not enough just to end the war in Iraq," Obama said. "We've got to change our mindset about how we think about foreign policy. . . . We can't just talk to our friends. We've got to talk to our enemies. . . . I'm not afraid of losing a propaganda battle with a bunch of small-time dictators. It doesn't make us look tough when we don't talk to our enemies. It makes us look arrogant."
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Obama Co-Chair Jesse Jackson, Jr. says we have to "analyze" the Clinton tears that "melted" the Granite state, and that she didn't cry about Katrina.
FAINT! Obama co-Chair doesn't say something we can quote as being mudslinging so we'll have to use implication
Qualifier unquoted by Journalist, unsurprisingly, "She has shown a sensitivety factor that she has not been able to communicate before"
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Michelle Obama says Sen. Clinton "represents the same old thing over and over again."
WEEP! Michelle Obama uses husbands message and doesn't say anything Journalist can use so MISQUOTE
Actual quote "I get confused when people say there are a lot of choices in this race," she said. "There are so many more experienced candidates. My response is, no, that’s not true. You’ve got two choices in this race.

"You’ve got the same old thing over and over again that hasn’t worked for regular folks in my lifetime. And then we have Barack Obama."
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The Obama campaign circulates a memo referring to Sen. Clinton as "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)." Note: To his credit, Obama did apologize for this, though he never fired the person(s) responsible for the memo.
OO-ERR! Internal memo is leaked and slurs opponent. Obviously a deliberate ploy by the Obama campaign
Quote in full - Obama on Monday disavowed the memo, which was headlined, "Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)," a play on the standard reference to a candidate's party and constituency. The memo referred to investments in India by former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton; her fund-raising among Indian-Americans; and the former president's $300,000 in speech fees from Cisco, a company that has moved U.S. jobs to India.

"It was a dumb mistake on our campaign's part, and I made it clear to my staff in no uncertain terms that it was a mistake," Obama said, referring to the memo as "unnecessarily caustic."
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The Obama campaign links Sen. Clinton's Iraq War Resolution vote, to Butto's assassination:
TERRA! TERRA! Journalist spins quote about judgement and discussion and implies something that wasn't said
Quote in full AXELROD: Well, it puts on the table foreign policy judgment, and that's a discussion we welcome. Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose the war in Iraq, and he warned at the time it would divert us from Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, and now we see the effect of that. Al Qaeda's resurgent, they're a powerful force now in Pakistan, they may have been involved — we've been here, so I don't know whether the news has been updated, but there's a suspicion they may have been involved in this. I think his judgment was good. Sen. Clinton made a different judgment, so let's have that discussion.

and “Those who made the judgment that we ought to divert our attention from Afghanistan to invade Iraq and allow Al Qaeda to reconstitute and strengthen are now having to assess the wisdom of that judgment as we may be seeing yet another manifestation of Al Qaeda’s potency,” said Susan Rice, a top Obama foreign policy adviser who was an assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, in an interview with Politico.
(which says NOTHING about HRC)
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Journalist, if that is what you are, you are a tabloid hack attempting to spin substance out of nothing. But even the "Slurs" you pretend exist are not slurs just normal campaign give and take. Go back to playing in your private dung pit

/edit to remove unnecessay separator

[sniffa]

13. It was "The Weekly World News"

But since they've folded, it's now DU.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

14. Just to add to the Punjab thing

"I can certainly run for the senate seat in Punjab and won easily,” said Senator Hillary Clinton jokingly in response to her being introduced by Dr. Rajwant Singh as the Senator from not only New York but also Punjab during an event held at his residence last week

http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/news.nsf/SikhNetHPNewsHTML/C7BEE7788E33BF698725711C0067B4EB?OpenDocument

[SKKY]

12. The National Enquirer called...

...they're suing you for plagiarism! One of the sillier posts I've seen in this forum to date, and that is quite an accomplishment.

[Vinca]

15. I'd counter with Clinton remarks, but this is getting old real fast.

It's obviously "Bash Obama" day . . . again. Yawn.

[THUNDER HANDS]

16. is there enough bandwidth for Clinton's remarks?

we might need to borrow a separate forum for that.