THE SUPER DELEGATE FARCE EXPOSED

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

Obama says the Super Delegates should not change the outcome of the election

Obama Calls Out Super Delegates: "Party Insiders" Shouldn't Decide ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/_85339.html

It is Hillary who wants the Super Delegates to be the "deciders".

Conflict of Interest? Bill Clinton Super-delegate « Stiff Right JabI understand that Bill Clinton is a super delegate. Well, I think he should excuse himself from voting because he is Hillary’s husband if it comes to the ...
http://stiffrightjab.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/conflict-of-interest-bill-clinton-super-delegate/

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive ...Clinton said she thought super delegates often had the unique position of having “first-hand knowledge of the candidates” and “if people want to go after ...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/09/clinton-defends-role-of-super-delegates/

One Super Delegate is only 21 years old and has never voted in a Presidential Election before:

ABC News: Super Schmooze: Breakfast With Chelsea21-Year-Old Wisconsin Super Delegate Gets Face Time With Former First Daughter. Chelsea. Chelsea Clinton speaks to supporters Friday, Feb. ...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4273078

Then the tables begin to turn, Obama unexpectedly gaining Super Delegates:

Action 3 News - Omaha, Nebraska News, Weather, and Sports | Obama ...And Obama's visit is already paying off. While in Omaha Obama unexpectedly picked up two key super delegates. Up for grabs this Saturday are Nebraska's 24 ...
www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7841364

Hillary may soon change her mind about Super Delegates:

Many Are Committed To Clinton, But For How Long?

...There is also a new sign of trouble for Clinton. Late Thursday, one of her Congressional supporters, Rep. David Scott of Georgia now says he intends to vote for Obama and a second is discussing a possible switch. Both are super delegates.

This comes after a handful of other super delegates said they are reconsidering their positions.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/superdelegates.hillary.clinton.2.654503.html

Greg Sargent writes about donations both candidates made to Super Delegates:

Report: Obama Far Outpaced Hillary In Contributions To Super-Delegates
By Greg Sargent - February 14, 2008

..According to the study, Obama's PAC and campaign committe have given out $694,000 to such superdelegates. Some 40% of the supers who support Obama received cash from him, the study finds.

Late Update: I should have made it clear that these numbers refer to donations in the 2006 and 2008 cycles, so many of these could have been ordinary contributions to fellow Democrats before either was running for President. I've revised the above accordingly.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/report_obama_far_outpacing_hil.php

The funny part - Hillary DID have the money.

Tons left over from her Senate re-election cakewalk, while Obama really had little until his campaign began a little over a year ago.

Obama did all he could to help Democrats take back the Senate and the House in 2006, including tons of fundraising and more campaign appearances than any other Democrat.

Hillary selfishly raised and spent money mainly for herself on her own Senate race, despite the fact that she faced only token opposition. As a big fundraiser, she could have aided the Democratic party efforts to win back Congress with tens of millions of dollars.

At least Hillary can count on two standing firm - she and Bill both are Super Delegates.

[sandnsea]

1. The Super delegates will likely have to decide

Obama doesn't want them to decide in opposition to the vote of the people. The Clintons say the Super delegates have a right to do that and nobody should be upset if they do. That's true no matter how many of them change their minds, one way or the other.

[johnnydrama]

3. so in cliff's note's version

Obama "Vote for whoever has the delegate lead"
Clinton "Vote for me"

[sandnsea]

6. Some combination of delegate/popular vote lead

Yes, that is what Obama has said. And yes, in my estimation, Clinton has said her superdelegates should vote for her no matter what.

[Raydawg1234]

5. they also forget that Democratic voters have the right not to vote in the GE

and if the Superdelegates decide the nominee i wont

[sandnsea]

7. I pretty much agree n/t

[MediaBabe]

16. You won't support a Dem against a Rep ?

Then what are you doing here at DU? I'm sure there are places online to express your opinion that would welcome another person working against America and uniting with those against The American Way.

[pampango]

19. I will end up voting for our nominee, but don't tell the SDs that. I want to keep them guessing

and not taking my vote for granted. I want them to worry about the repercussions for not conducting the nomination process in a "fair" way. (Each of us gets to decide for ourselves what "fair" means, as well as our reaction if that standard is not met.)

Who knows, I suppose it is possible that they could handle the nomination process so badly that they could jeopardize even my vote, though I doubt they can that. ;)

[Raydawg1234]

20. I am not that big on blind party loyalty. Everyone has faults, even the democratic party.

as far as the rest of your comment goes, what gives you the right?

[Metric System]

2. I though Hillary and Obama gave up their Super Delegate status since they're running for President?

[Political Heretic]

4. Obama: SD's please vote for whoever has lead. Clinton: SD's vote for me not matter what.

I'm with the more populist sentiment of the two choices.

[pnwmom]

8. No, Obama, or his spokesman, has taken both positions at different

times. It isn't clear what his position is now.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

11. Maybe its: OK Hillary, if you want to count Super Delegates, then fine I've got ya covered

He started out saying these Super Delegates should not overturn the outcome of the
voters choice.

Hillary said the Super Delegates were special and they could vote as they pleased.

Bill and Hillary both are Super Delegates, by the way.

Since Hillary made it clear from the beginning she would use any method to win, including
Super Delegates, Obam's campaign has tried to win some of the SD's.

Hillary had more SDs than Obama did at first, by far.

Now that Obama has momentum, which happens as more people get to know him and Hillary's
air of enevitability diminishes - the Super Delegates are peeling away from Hillary.

Too much attention has been focused on the Super Delegates for them to get away with tilting the
election, and now some of them are looking at their own political viability if they over turn the will of the people.

[MediaBabe]

17. Obama: Vote for me! I did!

Or did you not know Obama is a super delegate and has endorsed himself?

[Prefer]

9. I like the "he's 21 argument"

to me this is hilarious. The kid is legal. I find it hilarious that people have a problem with following the rules, as if a 21 year old is not qualified.

Maybe we should just raise the voting age to 45. How would that do ya?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

12. you think a 21 yr old who never voted for Pres should have equiv of 10,000 votes?

This kid has never voted for a President before, he's wet behind the ears,
he certainly has no business having enough votes to change the outcome of the election.

[abluelady]

10. Has this Issue

always been an issue? Do we only want the super delegates gone because they may vote for Clinton? Or have the populace always wanted the super delegates gone?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. they' re peeling away from Clinton

and most people/voters didn't know about the Super Delegates.

Obama is gaining in the SD category, but it was he who said these SD's should not be
allowed to tilt an election.

Hillary is ok with them voting against the popular vote.

[abluelady]

14. I Understand That

My question is is there always so much anti-super delegate feelings or is it new this year?

[MediaBabe]

18. The outrage is new

Some folks are not familiar with the election process even though they post like they are the most knowledgeable people in the world. They are cut n pasting what they read in their favorite pundits latest column and then passing it off as a long held opinion they are generously bestowing on us poor nobodies at DU.

The anti Clinton brigade has dug up the SD issue only to use against her - never Obama - because it's easy to sway the liberal masses who think their vote is being usurped. Clinton, if she is allowed to remain in the race will be almost impossible to defeat in the General Election. Obama, it is widely held, will not be so difficult. Anything that will move a voter to act against Clinton is fair game and, as you can see here at DU, it is working.

[MediaBabe]

15. Yoo Hoo... Obama is a Super Delegate also.

And guess what... He's endorsed himself. Can you believe that?!?

Or did you think that he was somehow not a super delegate or maybe he would do something silly like not endorse himself? Like maybe he isn't sure of himself or something?

Sheesh! Moaning about the Clintons being SDs while overlooking the obvious - that Obama is one also. And people just eat that kind of thing up. Anything as long as it is used it against a Clinton.