SHAT! MOTHASUCKA! Obama's gonna lose

[PretzelWarrior]

his underdog status if he hasn't already. The guy spells trouble for Hillary and McCain and anyone in his way. He isn't just a politician and an orator. He is the iconic change we have all been waiting for.

I didn't think that much about Obama a year ago. I was supporting Edwards. However, now my wife and I have both donated to his campaign. I bought the audiobook version of "Audacity of Hope". He's on a 9 state winning streak and has a very real chance to win not only Wisconsin but also Ohio and even Texas.

I heard on the radio today that McCain's chief campaign guy has said he'd quit the McCain campaign if Obama is the opponent. Why? I think it's because McCain demonic allies will bring in the most downgrading, horrible shit about race and all types of things that we cannot even imagine.

The difference this year? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THIS GODDAM BULLSHIT! They don't want mudslinging and negativity. They don't want a bloated, puffy flipflopping old guy attacking a hero.

I want you Hillary supporters to understand one thing--I would have voted for Hillary had she won the nomination, but she's not going to. Even if she and Bill have stupid plans to bring Florida and Michigan into play....it won't matter. Obama is the chosen one. Get that through your heads. Obama will be our president and will surround himselves with an expert and intelligent cross section of leaders to set and implement policies that undo the damage of the Bush years and make progress for us as Americans.

Vote OBAMA! Vote OBAMA! Voe OBAMA!

I introduce to you our first African American president, Barack Obama!

[Hobarticus]

1. "Obama is the chosen one. Get that through your heads."?!?

Hoo-boy.

[PretzelWarrior]

5. come ON! that's 4 glasses of wine talking

I am kind of talking over the top because you people don't understand how important it is that we aren't subjected to the false choice of two corporatists Clinton and McCain. I will puke if that's the choice we're left with.

What is more..................I will have to think long and hard about whether or not I will vote for her.

We NEED a break fro the stupid shit we've been putting up with since Nixon. No president has valued progressive ideals since the 1960's. Don't you even get it? Hillary won't.

[Hobarticus]

12. "...because you people don't understand..."?!?

Stuff just writes itself.

[PretzelWarrior]

15. well, if the shoe fits....wear it.

or....if the shoe doesn't fit....it's probably somebody else's shoe.

hey, like I said. I'm able to type when drunk.....just not as lucid as normal.

I don't care if you make fun of me. Hillary's window of opportunity closed in around january. mcCain's window of opportunity closed in 2000. He's just the least worst candidate for the Repukelicans.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Well many people do.........

there are just some that think that progress means electing the wife of the last Democratic President.....who's 35 years of experience made her not be able to prepared for a political campaign....and vote for a war that we didn't have to fight.

So, yes,

SOME people just don't understand the beauty of this here....



But I'm sure that there were people that voted against FDR, JFK and even Lincoln.
I'm mean, they didn't 100% support either.

Dem the breaks! :shrug:

[PretzelWarrior]

21. WOW! That is a powerful picture.

they really are a wonderful family. I've heard his wife speak. She's terrific too.

[Hobarticus]

25. "SOME people just don't understand the beauty of this here...."

:rofl:

[Maddy McCall]

2. Can you feel the power of the blood....

Glory! Redemption! Salvation!

[NMMatt]

6. That's right...

And he turns water into wine, and walks on water, heals the sick and died for your sins.

[PretzelWarrior]

8. no. I believe you're thinking of Elvis Costello

grow a brain. Obama will merely give the power to the people and we'll be able to tell people like Senator Micah and Burtont to go fuck themselves.

[Webster Green]

46. LOL!

"I believe you're thinking of Elvis Costello"

Funniest post I've read all week!

He is great too!:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

9. NO. Just can tell a loser who has no plan B, versus a tactical genius,

[PretzelWarrior]

10. oh yeah!! way to rack up the stars. dang.

I'm impressed.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Hey......Tomorrow,

I'll be using a thread of my three alloted to properly thank those who were so thoughtful as to donate me a star! :blush:

[rhett o rick]

54. Hey Pretzel, can I call you Pretzel?, those are h e a r t s not stars.

You know hearts like for Valentines Day.

Maybe in the morning you will be able to recognize the difference.

NGU

[PretzelWarrior]

64. lol. yup. I was a little less observant last night.

[terrya]

60. Praise Jayzus!!

AMEN! Praise GOD!

[byronius]

3. I, uhhhh...

agree.

[dkf]

4. Very funny. You are killing me, cutting your title like that.

[nonconformist]

7. All hail the savior!

Obama is the chosen one!

[FrenchieCat]

11. Well Actually Hillary was the chosen one......

just hasn't quite worked out to date, is all! :shrug:

After coming in 3rd in Iowa, maybe she should have been history....but no, the press followed her around more then they did John Edwards who had come in 2nd.

September 26, 2007
Is Hillary Inevitable?

Pundits have pretty well conceded the Democratic nomination to Hillary Clinton. In a basic sense, this is a reversal of recent history. Over the last few decades, it is the Republicans who have loyally nominated the heir apparent, the guy whose "turn" it was, even when--as when the GOP nominated Bob Dole in 1996--it was clear that he had little or no chance to win. The Democrats, on the other hand, have been willing to nominate candidates who started out as "second tier," if they like the way they perform in the early going. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are good examples. Now that we all know what a skillful politician Clinton is, it is hard to remember that when the Democrats nominated him in 1992, it was almost exactly the same as if the Republicans were to nominate Mike Huckabee next year.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/09/018580.php

The Democratic New York senator has worked hard to get to this point, a position that has its advantages. A presumptive winner in the primaries commands campaign dollars and media attention (though the latter can be a mixed blessing). This necessarily weakens competitors, who are then forced to spend less time promoting themselves and more time trying to knock out the frontrunner (another mixed blessing).

Historically, the early leader usually bags the nomination, though there may be some stumbles along the way. That's why a string of candidates – both Bushes, Al Gore, Bob Dole, and Walter Mondale, to name a few – worked to create the perception of presumed nominee.

When Senator Clinton took the usually slow summer fundraising season and turned it into a record-setting clam rake, when she appeared on five Sunday talk shows in one morning last month, when even President Bush spoke of her as the one to beat – then she must have known she was wearing that invisible crown of inevitability.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1011/p08s01-comv.html

updated 9:19 p.m. EDT, Tue October 2, 2007
Clinton outpaces Obama in fundraising for third quarter

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton raised $27 million in the third quarter for her 2008 Democratic bid for the White House, a Clinton aide said Tuesday.

All but $5 million of Clinton's funds can be spent trying to win the Democratic presidential nomination in the primaries, the aide said.

More than 100,000 new donors contributed to the New York Democrat, the aide said.

Clinton outpaced Sen. Barack Obama over the last three months, a reversal of positions from the second quarter.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/02/campaign.cash/index.html

Hillary says she’ll be Democratic nominee by Feb 5th
December 13, 2007
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is anticipating that she will not have to wait long to become the Democratic presidential nominee, privately telling campaign donors in California that the race "is all going to be over by Feb. 5."

Though the focus of the 2008 presidential campaign is on Iowa and New Hampshire, the states with the earliest contests, Clinton suggested that California's influence might be larger than was commonly believed.

"You've got to realize that people in California will start voting absentee about the time Iowa and New Hampshire happen," the senator from New York said at a closed-door fundraising reception Tuesday evening. "In fact, more people will have voted absentee by the middle of January than will have voted in New Hampshire, Iowa and a lot of other places combined."

On Friday, California absentee ballots began going out to members of the military and others living abroad.

California's remaining absentee ballots will be sent out beginning Jan. 7, one day before the New Hampshire primary and four days after the Iowa precinct caucuses.

California holds its primary Feb. 5, along with 21 other states and American Samoa.

"California, Texas, New York, New Jersey — you've got way more than half the country," Clinton said at the fundraising event at a Sacramento restaurant. "And we're going to be ready, thanks to all of you. We're running a vigorous campaign here in California."

Voters in 22 states will vote after Feb. 5, as will those in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and Guam.

The fundraising reception was closed to the news media, but an audio recording of Clinton's speech was made available to the Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clinton13dec13,1,2613727.story

[jlake]

16. Come to terms with it. The media loves Obama.

They have shoved him down our throats.
The only question is - WHY?

[FrenchieCat]

19. Cause they listened to him, and the can't help but like him too?

And they want to go into the 21st century without baggage either. Maybe they want to get back to real news made by a real Presidents of an actual United States. Maybe they feel guilty for starting this war without end, and this is their way of making it up to the American people.

[jlake]

23. Put down the koolaid. It is not the media's job to push

any candidate - whether they like him(her) or not.
And you think the media feels guilty....boy you have much to learn.
I honestly cannot believe that you don't see what the media is up to....it's going to be a rude awakening when they turn on St. Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

27. I don't think that is what is happening.

That's what you said.

[jlake]

32. You said "maybe they feel guilty..." and if you don't think that the media

has worshipped Obama you haven't been paying attention.

[nonconformist]

30. LOL

That's pretty funny. The media, really feeling guilty about years of misleading the public and all of their ridiculous coverage, decides to hoist up a true "savior" because, by golly, they like him?

[jlake]

35. I can't believe people are falling for it.

It boggles my mind.
yeah, the media suddenly turned a 180 and wants what is best for the average American
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[nonconformist]

22. I remember the last thing they tried to shove down our throats nt

[PretzelWarrior]

26. yeah. Hillary as front runner. we know how that worked out.

[nonconformist]

31. No, this media hype matches the lead up to the war. nt

[PretzelWarrior]

34. huh?

Hillary voted for war authorization. how does your stance against Obama remotely make sense?

[jlake]

37. Why don't you read Frenchiecat's comments about the media making up for pushing the war.

[nonconformist]

41. I'm talking about the media over hyping something.

I don't fall for that. It just makes me more suspicious, because when they get really excited and behind something, it appears to be A REALLY BAD FUCKING IDEA.

And no shit, Hillary voted for the IWR? I had no idea. I also wasn't aware that John Kerry did, or John Edwards....

[jlake]

14. Dear God. Even Obama wants you to lower your koolaid intake.

[PretzelWarrior]

18. doubtful. but thanks for your eye rolling

it just proves you need more convincing. Obama will gain his power as president from people having hope and a real initial trust that he wants to make some change.

Hillary will merely treat it as business as usual and start writing checks to her supporters if she were sworn in. We know that. which is why she's done.

[jlake]

20. Yes, maybe with some thoughful prayer I will convert to Obama and

begin to see him in all of his glory.

Or it could be that you have been rubed into believing that he is a revolutionary figure who will transform things when the facts point the other way.

[FrenchieCat]

24. Please don't. We need the skeptics out there doing politics of hate......

if you converted, than Obama and the good Citizens of the United States would'nt have to prove why you are so wrong.

No, please stay over on the wrong side of history. We insist.

[jlake]

29. Obama campaigns for my sins.

Don't worry - I will never support Obama.
I will hook on the street to raise money for McCain if I have to.
At least I know the level of evil McCain is capable of.

[PretzelWarrior]

33. wow. you're sick. maybe you should replace hillary icon

with a swastika. you're kind of making really stupid statements now.

[jlake]

36. No. I am just paying attention.

When there is a "movement" like Obama's bad things usually happen.

[PretzelWarrior]

38. Like "I have a dream". yeah. you're right.

it'll probably lead to something like even more equivalent treatment of people in the U.S.

You thought MLK and Chavez were bad!

[jlake]

40. Like gaining popularity by throwing minorities under the bus... you know, the gays

and even the most liberal of DUers are defending Obama and saying "shut up. no one cares" .... and then there will be another group.
Obama has managed to convince Democrats to embrace Republican ideals... not the other way around.

[PretzelWarrior]

42. you're wrong. the CLINTONS were DINO's. Not Obama.

NAFTA. Don't ask don't tell. Welfare to work. etc. etc.

[jlake]

44. Just wait til you see Obama in action. If you can open your eyes for a moment

and pay attention - you'll have extreme buyer's remorse.
And I don't think Obama is a DINO - I think he is a Right Wing Republican - to the right of GWB on many issues.

[SIMPLYB1980]

56. Bingo.

[PretzelWarrior]

39. Like "I have a dream". yeah. you're right.

it'll probably lead to something like even more equivalent treatment of people in the U.S.

You thought MLK and Chavez were bad!

[Jane Austin]

49. Oh, dear.

You won't be able to post that sort of thing here.

This is Democratic Underground.

[jlake]

61. Don't worry - I'll be leaving the party if it nominates Obama.

[nonconformist]

48. Ahh, those skeptics.

Do you guys not even realize how much you talk like this is a religion?

[Hobarticus]

28. And to think...

they bristle when someone mentions "cult of personality".

[rodeodance]

45. An Adult Obamacamper is trying to teach you some modestly. Listen up!!

[rodeodance]

43. Hey---whatever you think of McCain you should be ashamed of the language

you used in you OP!!
He is percieved as a military hero---and O.does not have that status at this time--except in your mind!
And there is something as AGEISM.






They don't want a bloated, puffy flipflopping old guy attacking a hero.

[VotesForWomen]

47. another kool-aide drinker. clue: if O was half the things you think he is, he would have been out o

of the race a long time ago.

[PretzelWarrior]

59. why do you say that? you make no sense bro

[Hill_YesWeWill]

50. hell yeah! I like the way think! nt

[LibertyorDeath]

51. Hell Yeah !!

Rec 5 off to the Greatest ....

[cooolandrew]

52. Barack is teflon, they don't want to go there with race, I don't feel Bill was racist but even ...

he got fingers burned which was unfair. Although I would say fairy tale is homophobic. Barack is the perfect candidate. Oprah or Michelle or Stephanie tubbs even 2016.

[Triana]

53. do we need a rule against drunken posting?

sheesh.

[K Gardner]

55. LOL, it would appear so!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. "Obama is the chosen one..."

LeBron James beat him to the title:


http://www.everytattoo.com/lebronjamestattoos.shtml

[PretzelWarrior]

58. Haahahhaha. WOW.

I guess I was a little over the top last night. However, I still think it's amazing how if anyone has a kind of hope and spirited vibe for a particular person or organization these days they are treated as koolaid drinking followers.

The ones usually spouting that the most are the ones who stand to lose the most if that excitement among the people continues. So no surprise Hillary followers and some of the "old guard" Democratic wing are chief attackers of Obama and his followers as too messianic.

Maybe what this country needs is someone to look up to again. Maybe people need to quit acting like Obama has no one to turn to in helping him wade through the difficult issues of the presidency.

I'm excited for Obama. And I hope our party doesn't implode due to some people not being able to deal with reality about our preference for Obama.

That's my greatest fear is the Clinton cabal "going for it" 2000 Supreme Court style by having the Michigan/Florida delegates brought back into the picture through technicalities. It would just show the forces of status quo are dragging people's hope and positive excitement for leadership back down into the muddy mire.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

62. Did you have a nice Valentine's evening? nt

[PretzelWarrior]

63. yes I did. wife and I sent each other flowers at work

then she and I met up after her evening class for a nice meal at a rustic European bistro...exchanged cards, etc. Then went home poured a couple of glasses of wine. Decided to polish of the wine....got "the spirit" and logged on to post this orginal post.

How bout you? Was your Vday grand?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

67. Oh indeed. b/f and I had champagne and then gin and tonics.

Luckily I kept my itchy blogging fingers to myself. Posting While Intoxicated has never worked out that well for me! ;)

[Arugula Latte]

65. PretzelWarrior: Don't you know hope is BAD?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4603386

;)

[PretzelWarrior]

66. ewww. what a sad person if that's how they really feel

more likely they are trotting out any and every line of reasoning to convince us we shouldn't be for change.

I suppose parents aren't supposed to hope their efforts at raising and educating their child will work out.

I suppose job seekers shouldn't hope when they prepared and executed well in the interview.

Hope if it is based on something can be a positive and powerful thing.

Looking at what Obama is doing right now and what he started doing as soon as he got into pubic service and then contrasting that with the others in the running....there's every reason to hope he can be at least part of an answer to our current woes.

[musiclawyer]

68. I kid you not

You know why America is ready for a black president? Because America has seen a black president on tv many times ( the show 24, and others) and is desensitized. And it helps a lot that Obama is biracial and not perceived as all black by many. Sorry, but that's the truth.