This is why Hillary's "universal health care" isn't gonna work.

[dkf]

Its focused on getting everyone health insurance and look at what these providers are up to... Forget it Hillary and Obama, only single payer will work.

ttp://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/02/11/daily52.html

New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo has announced that he intends to sue UnitedHealth Group and a group of subsidiaries following a six-month investigation into a scheme by health insurers to defraud consumers by manipulating reimbursement rates.

At the center of the scheme is Ingenix Inc., a UnitedHealth Group (NYSE: UNH) subsidiary and the nation's largest provider of health-care billing information. It served as a conduit for rigged data to the largest insurers in the country, according to Cuomo.

Minnetonka, Minn.-based UnitedHealth Group is the parent company of UnitedHealthcare of the Midwest Inc. based in Maryland Heights, Mo. UnitedHealthcare of the Midwest is one of the largest health maintenance organizations in the St. Louis area.

The six-month investigation found that Ingenix operates a defective and manipulated database that most major health insurance companies use to get reimbursement rates for out-of-network medical expenses. Further, the investigation found that two subsidiaries of United dramatically under-reimbursed members for out-of-network medical expenses by using data provided by Ingenix, according to Cuomo. The scheme allowed United insurers were able to keep reimbursements artificially low and force patients to absorb a higher share of the costs.

[rodeodance]

1. Why do you put Hillary's name in your headling--then include Obama in

your dissing?---




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This is why Hillary's "universal health care" isn't gonna work.

Its focused on getting everyone health insurance and look at what these providers are up to... Forget it Hillary and Obama, only single payer will work.

ttp://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/02/11/daily52....

[dkf]

2. Because she makes it such a center piece of her campaign.

At least Obama isn't making it mandatory to use one of these blood suckers.

Frankly, I think that trying to fix healthcare without going single payer is a waste of time. JMO.

[rodeodance]

4. Have not you heard?--O. uses that term also-even though his plan OMITS

15 million right off the bat!!

[dkf]

6. oboy. 15 million blah blah blah.

I say that more than 15 million will refuse to obey Hillary's edict that they must buy health insurance.

Do you know what her estimate is of how many people will refuse?

[sandnsea]

3. Obama's plan relies on regulation

The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.

Barack Obama will prevent companies from abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. His plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. His new National Health Exchange will help increase competition by insurers.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

[printpolitico]

10. O vs H health care

Hillary plan regulation vs Obama 's hopeful enrollment. Obamas plans relies on the fact that individual are responsible and have their priorities straight.
Until every american is insured emergency rooms can not close their doors to those who walk in for the common cold. Those individuals are uninsured and
have no intention of repaying their debt. Got to the ER because you must get treated verses the doctor that says pay now.

Those of us who are insured pay for that through higher physician and hospital fees that must be passed on to those of us who are responsible.
You may say that is wrong to say that lower income America is irresponsible. It's not about the income it's about character and availability of
free services. I have employees that could elect to sigh on to the company insurance plan. One of which his premium would only be $88.00
a month. Lower than anyone else who has elected to come aboard.

He doesn't. Why? because it is one less 200.00 outfit for the weekend or less Alcohol he can buy to stay intoxicated all weekend.
He is a great employee but will skip his rent to party.

Everyone must be insured to stop the abuses and then regulate what the insurance company must pay. Then there is more control over this matter.
Now the insurance companies can do as they please.

Insurance companies choose what, who, and how they are going to pay on individual policies now. The have much less control over group policies because it is regulated.

[politicallore]

5. Hillarys plan actually Makes sense...

obama's seems to be sheer socialism... lol

[Vincardog]

7. The only way to save America's failed health care system is with Single Payer. Kick the Parasitic

Insurance companies to the curb.

[greenvpi]

8. By single payer...

Do you mean the government as the single payer? If so, that is great. Outlawing insurance companies and outlawing private funds to be spend on health care would finally provide equitable care for all people. I hope that is what you mean.

[Vincardog]

11. Bingo got it in one. The Governments only job is to pay for the health care. Universal Single Payer

Health CARE. The solution to our crisis is to get rid of the Insurance parasites.

[Hieronymus]

9. Sweden has a form of socialism that is fabulous. Middle of the road has ...

yellow lines and dead armadillos.

[UALRBSofL]

12. The point to this article that is wrong

With Hillary's plan it forces the insurance company's to lower there costs because everyone will be covered and the rates of pay are based on income.

[OzarkDem]

13. Under Clinton's plan everyone can buy a government plan

not just private insurance. BTW, Obama has the same provisions in his plan.


Under Clinton's plan, if you or your employer chose a private insurance company, they will have to provide care to everyone w/o specifying providers, w/o discrimination based on pre-existing conditions, etc.

If you or your employer opted for a private plan instead of the government/public plan your coverage would be much different than in today's environment.

Obama's plan, which is Clinton-lite, has a built in mechanism that will cause it to fail in a couple of years.