Obama the bigot and his little minions too.

[mmonk]

I'm tired of this theme here. Do you really think Obama will turn back the clock on GLBT? If so, you should show how he might do that as an agenda. Show substantive evidence that his agenda includes an exclusionary agenda for the Gay and Lesbian community. I would like a put up or shut up thread. I hear about it everyday here. But I want specifics. No recycled guilt by association threads. This is your chance.

[New Dawn]

1. The people making that claim are just desperate Clinton hacks. nt/

[TexasObserver]

2. That's correct. Hillary's campaign runs on false outrage.

She sure does get vapors a lot, doesn't she?!

[Kahuna]

5. But she's so strong!

Yeah right.

[mmonk]

3. If he has such an agenda, we have the right to know

and ask about it. If it's hyperbole, we have a right to know that too.

[GalleryGod]

8. I agree! Yesterday the meme was "Talk is Cheap" You mean like Marc's pardon you

knew NOTHING about ??? That woman has been "in the room" only when convenient, apparently:puke:

[Clintonista2]

16. Damn those desperate gay people!

:sarcasm:

[LWolf]

17. Bullshit.

I believe that a man who reaches across the aisle to embrace bigots will also reach across the aisle to compromise with bigots, where there should be no compromise.

I believe that a man who allows bigots to appear, speak, and perform at campaign events will allow bigots to play an integral part of his administration, too.

I am obviously not now, nor ever have been "a desperate Clinton hack." :eyes:

I have been excruciatingly blunt since the primary season kicked off: I will not vote for Clinton in the GE. Of course, I've been just as blunt about Obama; he won't get my vote, either.

It's a shame that the voters that "count" chose to narrow the field down to these two bad choices.

[mmonk]

24. Fair enough.

[bowens43]

4. More nonsense from desperate people.

Hillary's finished. Get used to it.

[anamandujano]

6. He doesn't appear to want to waste any political capital on advancing

their cause, helping them, recognizing that we need to turn this page also. Where is the newness, the bold inspiration for them?

Hillary has stated that "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. She has recognized them. She has indicated that she knows they are there, and are hurting. She may have some trouble but she intends to fight for them. It's something.

[mmonk]

7. Thanks. That's something.

Lack of recognition of problems can cause hard feelings.

[Meshuga]

10. Obama wants gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military

Obama believes the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy needs to be repealed and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says: "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."

[mmonk]

12. Thanks for that addition. As someone who deals in contracts,

I like things in writing.

[cloudythescribbler]

9. amen (although the "bigot" comment might be put in quotations LOL)

[Meshuga]

11. Comparing the two candidates on gay rights

Obama score card with the Human Rights Campaign (largest national GLBT organization) in 2006 was a 89 out of a 100. Clinton received the score of 88.

They are pretty close. So one camp attacking the other over GLBT is stupid. The scores are not high enough, it would be nice if both candidates had better scores but I think that suggesting that either candidate will turn back the clock on GLBT is pretty unfair, in my opinion.

[mmonk]

13. Thanks. That helps also.

[bigscott]

14. do some research on Donnie McClurkin

if you think seeking the support of a preacher who thinks gays can be "cured" if they just see the light is being supportive of GLBT rights, then there is no difference.

When BOH denounces McClurkin I might think he would be supportive of GLBT rights. Until then I have NO faith that he would be any different than Reagan or Bush

But then again, us fags are hung up on the McClurkin thing

[mmonk]

15. I understand that.

Probably a large amount of the church going public are faced with religious bigotry on the issue (unfortunately). However to morph him into bush or Reagan is a leap IMO unless I can be shown otherwise.

[HeraldSquare212]

21. But for some reason Clinton gets a pass for doing the same thing.

I just don't understand the outrage against Obama and not Clinton. I don't like the fact that they appeared with people like that. I knew about Clinton's appearance back when she did it in 2005 (I think it was 2005), and it pissed me off then (I'm in NY so she's my Senator).

[psychopomp]

22. That is entirely the point

There is only obfuscation and kicking up of dust; people are riding a gamut of emotions during this primary season, as can be expected. Nothing wrong with that, per se, but at some point the facts on the table have to be taken into account.

[H2O Man]

18. Anyone who has read

chapter 6 of Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope" knows that some of the Clinton supporters are trying to stir up the hatred and fear with their nonsense.

[mmonk]

20. I, incidentally, have the book.

I just want to be shown why they are so adamant about the issue concerning him. I've seen nothing that suggests he will advance the hateful rhetoric or attempts at discriminary laws that the rightwing in this country does.

[usregimechange]

19. An article that should stop all the BS

ON JAN. 20, THE eve of Martin Luther King Day, Sen. Barack Obama stood before Rev. King’s home church in Atlanta and proudly set forth his vision for achieving progressive change and unity in America. In that historic speech, Barack challenged his audience to examine their own prejudices. “If we are honest with ourselves,” he said, “we must admit that none of our hands are entirely clean. If we’re honest with ourselves, we’ll acknowledge that our own community has not always been true to King’s vision of a beloved community. We have scorned our gay brothers and sisters instead of embracing them.” He continued:
“So let us say that on this day of all days, each of us carries with us the task of changing our hearts and minds. The division, the stereotypes, the scapegoating, the ease with which we blame our plight on others—all of this distracts us from the common challenges we face: war and poverty; injustice and inequality. We can no longer afford to build ourselves up by tearing someone else down. We can no longer afford to traffic in lies or fear or hate. It is the poison that we must purge from our politics; the wall that we must tear down before the hour grows too late.”

This extraordinary act—including the LGBT community in a message delivered in the very heartland of the Civil Rights Movement—was merely the latest chapter in Barack’s advocacy on behalf of LGBT Americans. Among all the candidates in this race, only Barack Obama included gays and lesbians as participants in the American Dream when announcing his decision to run for President. Only Barack has regularly talked about LGBT equality on the campaign trail, even when the audience was not LGBT-friendly. Barack has been changing hearts and minds, and the visibility he has given to LGBT equality is unprecedented.

Barack’s commitment to LGBT rights is also manifest in his record of accomplishment, which extends throughout his 11 years in public office on every issue of concern to our community. From relationships and families to workplace discrimination to bold policies on HIV/AIDS, the Senator’s commitment is unmatched by any candidate. He has proven that he has the character to stand up for principle when the going gets tough.

In Illinois, Obama sponsored a fully inclusive anti-discrimination law that included both sexual orientation and gender identity. A subsequent version of that bill was later enacted as the Illinois Human Rights Act, now one of the most progressive laws of its kind in the country. The U.S. House of Representatives was not able to pass a bill that included gender identity. Barack helped make it happen in Illinois.

http://www.nyblade.com/2008/1-25/viewpoint/opinion/1204OpEdObama.cfm

[mmonk]

23. Thanks