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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:56 AM
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Spiked 2007 GQ Story: Hillary's Campaign Mgr. Watched Soap Operas, Did Not Return Calls, Was FIRED!
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 11:41 AM by Dems Will Win


GQ reportedly spiked a Clinton story earlier in 2007. This is the article, now published in The Atlantic. This is the real reason why the Clintons' campaign was run so badly, Hillary appointed her scheduler as campaign manager:

Inside the Clinton Shake-Up



After the race, Solis Doyle was put in charge of fund-raising and later became campaign manager for Clinton’s Senate reelection bid in 2006. She earned a reputation as a contentious, domineering boss. Along the way, many of the staff members who worked under her left or were forced out, including several high-powered members of Clinton’s inner circle, such as Kelly Craighead and Evelyn Lieberman, the deputy chief of staff to Bill Clinton famous for banishing Monica Lewinsky to the Pentagon. The frequent turnover in the fund-raising shop was a significant measure of Solis Doyle’s unpopularity. Clinton staffers are notably loyal, and turnover among them tends to be much lower than it is among the staffs of other politicians. Fund-raising under Solis Doyle was a glaring exception, chalking up the kind of body count you’d expect from an episode of The Sopranos. She was infamous among her colleagues for referring to herself as “the queen bee” and for her habit of watching daytime soap operas in her office. One frequent complaint among donors and outside advisers was that Solis Doyle often did not return calls or demonstrate the attention required in her position.

Concerns about Solis Doyle have preoccupied many in the campaign for several years. Clinton insiders say that her campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, launched an unsuccessful bid to remove Solis Doyle while on vacation with the Clintons two years ago. Two top campaign officials told me that Maggie Williams, Hillary’s former chief of staff (and, as of Sunday, her campaign manager), also sought and failed to have Solis Doyle removed two years ago. Last year, some of Bill Clinton’s former advisers, known as the “White Boys,” lobbied to oust her, too.

...

This belief in Hillary’s unassailability fostered a complacency that may cost Clinton more dearly than anyone could have imagined. But at the time, no one recognized what was happening. Instead of launching her presidential campaign, even informally, Clinton and Solis Doyle insisted that no one so much as mention the possibility of a White House bid until after she’d been reelected to the Senate—a move insiders now concede was a serious tactical flaw that allowed Barack Obama’s campaign to take off unchallenged. The error wasn’t simply letting Obama get a head start in raising money. It was failing to realize that the world of political fund-raising had changed dramatically since Bill Clinton had last run for president, in a way that put a premium on different kinds of fund-raisers than the ones to which the Clintons had ties. Campaign-finance reform had banned the large, six-figure “soft-money” contributions the Clintons once relied on from people like Ron Burkle, Steve Bing, and David Geffen. In their place, small, “hard-money” donations took on far greater importance, and a new generation of fund-raisers able to corral many people to write four-figure checks suddenly became the true prize. But many of them—people like Mark Gorenberg, Alan Solomont, and Steve Westly—were not as well known to the Clintons. “I think of the difference as being between ‘writers’ and ‘raisers,’ ” Gorenberg, a venture capitalist who was John Kerry’s biggest fund-raiser in the 2004 election, told me last year. Like Gorenberg, many of the new hard-money fundraisers are tech moguls who hail from a wealth center, Silicon Valley, that barely existed during Bill Clinton’s last run.

...

Even after grasping the magnitude of the threat, the Clinton campaign didn’t react quickly and stuck to the strategy of trying to project an aura of inevitability. Here, too, Solis Doyle was disastrous; her lack of skill in areas other than playing the loyal heavy began to show. The first public sign of this came just after Clinton’s reelection to the Senate. Even though Clinton had faced no serious opponent, it turned out that Solis Doyle, as campaign manager, had burned through more than $30 million. As this New York Times story makes clear, the donor base was incensed. Toward the end of the Senate campaign, Solis Doyle did her best to bolster the impression of the inevitability of Hillary’s nomination as the Democratic presidential candidate, spreading word that Clinton’s Senate reelection fund-raising had gone so exceptionally well that $40 million to $50 million would be left after Election Day to transfer to the incipient presidential campaign. But this turned out to be a wild exaggeration—and Solis Doyle must have known it was. Disclosure filings revealed a paltry $10 million in cash on hand; far from conveying Hillary’s inevitability, this had precisely the opposite effect, encouraging, rather than frightening off, potential challengers.

Rather than punish Solis Doyle or raise questions about her fitness to lead, Clinton chose her to manage the presidential campaign for reasons that should now be obvious: above all, Clinton prizes loyalty and discipline, and Solis Doyle demonstrated both traits, if little else. This suggests to me that for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to the current president’s than her supporters might like to admit.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200802u/patti-solis-doyle


I believe this shows her poor leadership skills as well as Bush-like cronyism that would continue to destroy America is she is elected President. Not good at all for our nation.

Here is a link to video of the Josh Green speaking about his reporting:
http://www.jossip.com/killed-in-gq-josh-greens-hillary-clinton-profile-finds-new-life-20080214/

Update: Because Patty Solis Doyle is Mexican-American, her firing and the way this is being reported has ticked off Hispanic leaders BIG-TIME. Today's poll out of TX shows Obama ahead 48-42 and losing to Latinos by ONLY 2 POINTS!!

Super-delegate Yberra:

In an email to his comrades shortly after the announcement, Ybarra made it clear that he didn’t buy it.

“Apparently, loyalty is not a two-way street,” he wrote. “Latino superdelegates like myself will have cause to pause.”

Ybarra was criticized for the email that many took as a suggestion that he would discourage Hispanic voters from supporting the senator. But according to Ybarra, that wasn’t the point at all -- but he did want to point out the red flags.

“I have not made a commitment to any candidate yet,” Ybarra said. “But there’s a way that you do this stuff where people aren’t treated like they’re used property. And this one doesn’t pass the smell test.”





PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU THINK HILLARY BLEW IT BY APPOINTING HER SCHEDULER AS CAMPAIGN MANAGER
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:59 AM
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1. I read that article a few days ago and it is fairly damning of Clinton's competence as a leader.
A lot of leadership is leading those directly under your command. Time after time Clinton has had embarrassing occurrences occur right under her nose. This is a prime example of "Bush - Brownie" style of management - Clinton put someone incompetent in command just because of loyalty.

I've been arguing for days that Clinton running on competence is a fairly big joke by now.

She blew the political lead of the century because of bad leadership skills.

This echoes how she blew her leadership position in 1993.
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Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:04 AM
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3. K&R
:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:17 PM
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42. She amassed a $45M warchest in 2006 and blew most of it on her SENATE reelection
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 04:24 PM by Stephanie
The assumption at the time was that she was fundraising like mad in 2006 so she could roll it over to the presidential fund. this way she gets two swipes at the donors, she can tap them for the senate race to the max, roll it over to the presidential fund after the election, then tap them again for pres race. But they blew it all. I remember a charge of $13,000 for flowers, among others.

The fact that she has no idea where her money is going or how much is left is shocking.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #42
67. Let me know when Obama supporters stop attacking Hillary for not amassing wealth
And start attacking Hillary for failing to abide by campaign finance
restrictions and federal funding.
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dwahzon Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #42
81. The New York Times
published this graphic on how Hillary spent money in her 2006 re-election bid against an opponent that never had a chance.

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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #81
93. If she could have been 'right' on day 1 of her campaign ...
If only she was right about important things...instead of wrong.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:40 AM
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66. She should never have had a lead in the first place.
It sickens me to think America has been reduced to ELECTED dynasties.

Ancient Egypt was when a woman could only succeed through wealth and
a husband in power. We are not living in ancient Egypt anymore.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:02 AM
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2. In other words, she was an incompetent but loyal crony. Who does that sound like?
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:08 AM
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4. and yet, some of you still want to nominate her incompetent ass. Wow.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:10 PM
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19. Heckuva job, Doyleie!
;-)
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #19
61. You got that right!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:11 PM
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27. Sounds exactly like Bush. Same M.O. Same "I'm always right" attitude.
Hillary is Bush Lite.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #27
62. Bush with a brain.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
98. you're not comparing Hillary with Bushie now are you?
because that would be wrong

:bounce:


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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:09 AM
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5. Hillary's poor management skills have been on full display this campaign season.
Aside from it's gutter-ball slimy tactics, her campaign has been marked by sheer ineptitude. ...And she was supposed to be the "smartest" person in the room.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:45 PM
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91. Must have been a small room, probably more like a broom closet, if you ask me.
There was no one who had a chance against her last year.
Now that she has lost her Blue Bonnet margarine crown, everyone is mad at her for not using Parkay.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:17 AM
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6. 15 recs so far for a story about Hillary's campaign manager
the king of the Hillary haters tells the mass of haters to rec, and they comply like trained seals.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:25 AM
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7. I would think this story would bother even a Hillary supporter
Why donate to a campaign that drops nearly every ball handed to it.

The new campaign manager, Maggie Williams, btw, was Hillary's secretary. She has no real national campaign manager experience EITHER.

Just like Bernie Kerik was Giuliani's driver and became Police Commissioner, and Mike Brown was head of the Arabian Horse Association and became head of FEMA.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. you hype everything
and you got caught lying in a way that should have made you ashamed to continue posting here.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:46 AM
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17. What is about this Hillary story has you so upset? I am just relaying it?
Is it the fact that she blew the biggest lead in history by appointing her scheduler as campaign manager? Or that the campaign manager watched soap operas when she should have been managing??
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:27 AM
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8. Since you posted this baseless piece of conjecture
Why don't you tell us who the king of the Hillary haters is and where exactly is the evidence that you have to indicate that orders were given for something as piddly as gathering recommendations?

This article is about cronyism and bad management...both of which are legitimate issues. Could it be that such an issue just simply attracts views and people feel that others should read it?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #6
14. tell me then how has the"hillary haters"
on this board effected the lead she had in the national polls before iowa and turned those numbers into a tie?

i`m sorry if you think the "hillary haters" want someone who can manage a staff at the whitehouse better than hillary has done during this primary. after all she may become our president.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:13 PM
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23. It's not about "hate". If she can't run a campaign, why do you think...
... she'll do a better job with the country?

Or is that not a fair question?

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:07 PM
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26. who says she can't run a campaign?
it's one freaking story about someone whom few of us has ever heard of.

Maybe the story is complete bullshit. Maybe it's true. Maybe it was a mistake for Hillary to stick with her. Maybe it was a big mistake, or maybe it was a small mistake. Maybe it had an effect on how the campaign turned out, maybe it had no effect whatsoever.

Or maybe Hillary fired her at the EXACT right moment. Maybe Hillary's handling of this person was perfect, true political genius. Who freaking knows? Not even Hillary probably. Certainly not us.

But this hype artist is telling us this episode proves Hillary is incompetent, and because IT'S HILLARY, all the Hillary haters swallow it, probably without reading the article, and for sure not thinking about it.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:34 PM
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46. Polling numbers and primary results say she can't run a campaign.
She expected to have the nomination locked after Super Tuesday, and had no plan B. That's overconfidence and incompetence. She has run an ineffective campaign, failed to organise, mismanaged finances, ended up broke and needing to loan her campaign money despite a huge fundraising lead...none of these things speak of a competent campaigning or management style. That's pretty self-evident.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #26
59. her campaign turmoils stay in the news
problems with personell, falling outs
money problems,
message problems

Its like her campaign is deliberately trying to blow any chances she has.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
29. If you don't like the story, you're free to refute it with facts.
Or maybe your problem is that you can't.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #29
41. Hello!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #29
97. That would require him to read the article first.
Obviously he hasn't.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #6
86. Sorry your candidate is losing.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:29 AM
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10. it`s about an individual's judgments
hillary has to take responsibility for doyle and for penn ruining her primary losses so far. will williams be able to save the bid without penn being fired? we will see.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:30 AM
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11. Wow! Well worth reading!
I found this telling:

"It’s important to emphasize that Solis Doyle was not the architect of the Clinton strategy. It was devised and agreed to by many of the campaign’s top staffers, and the candidate herself signed off on it. But in all my reporting and personal experience with the campaign, Solis Doyle probably embodied it more than anyone else."
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:32 AM
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12. Yeah, but Hillary will be competent on "Day One".
You can count on that.

After all, she's been demonstrating her leadership skills for "35 years", hasn't she?

And she is offering "solutions, not speeches".

What slogans have I missed?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Yes, as competent as the dim one; seems like a similar pattern. nt
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:44 AM
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16. Can you imagine what the rethugs would do to her?
I knew they hated her and the turnout against her would be huge, but these revelations about her basic incompetence explain the clear preference the rethugs had for her as the dem nominee.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
36. Yes It Appears That Hillary Is Just A Boob
She's got nothin going on in the head. Now do you understand why she stayed with Bill all these years?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #12
49. LOL - Slogans, not speeches?
NGU.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
55. You forgot, "Words Are Cheap"
She's proven that, hasn't she?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:33 AM
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13. loyalty and discipline. Just like *. nt
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:50 AM
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18. Glad it's published now, interesting that GQ spiked it
Way too many media decisions based on criteria other than news value....
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:16 PM
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20. really a damning article
it's astonishing to me that Sen Clinton would surround herself with people who appear to be simply incompetent, but that's what she seems to have hired.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:51 PM
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21. Not only that she just appointed her secretary to run the campaign
Maggie Williams, again, has no idea what she is doing, if you read further into her daily meetings and what is happening right now, today, in the Clintons campaign.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:49 PM
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48. She was more than a secretary
Aide to U.S. Congressman Morris K. Udall of Arizona, 1977-78; Democratic National Committee (DNC), deputy press secretary, 1979-80, manager of convention press office, 1980; campaign press secretary for Congressman Robert Torricilli of New Jersey, 1982; director of media relations, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities; convention staff member managing backstage and podium activities for the DNC, 1984; communications director, Children's Defense Fund (CDF), 1984-89; member, Clinton/Gore presidential campaign, 1992; assistant to the president and chief of staff to the first lady, 1993--. Director on the boards of the Communications Consortium and Independent Action, a political action committee founded by Morris K. Udall.


http://www.answers.com/topic/maggie-williams
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. And she was involved with the Johhny Chung scandal.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. this is what happens when you operate in a bubble
insulated from what's happening out there. It's the trench mentality, brought on by the fact, they (Bill and hill) are acting like this is Clinton presidency part trois. Look at any administration, by the end of their eight years they are pretty far removed from the populace. I heard some sound bytes from Hillary at the gm factory...sitting in a car, admitting she hasn't driven in decades. Yikes!!! Why say that? Doesn't she understand the average person would think that a bit odd? It's such a Bush I deja vous statement...no true comprehension on how regular folks live.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. Like when Poppy Bush marveled at the checkout scanners
in a grocery store.

Shopping, driving cars, thats for the "little people" eh??

These people have no idea what the average american has to cope with in our daily lives!

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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #39
82. I know a couple people who don't drive any more, they say there's too many assholes on the road
besides isn't this a good thing less of a carbon foot print? Oh but it's Hillary, d'oh!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. I shudder to think of her running the country this way
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 12:54 PM
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22. There is evidently a LOT going on, known to insiders and loyalists, that we are simply
not aware of. This is why SDs are jumping ship.. its not because Obama has it all sewn up. Its because they are seeing exactly this kind of mismanagement and arrogance from the Clintons and, as the rest of the country, tiring of it. No one wants to move backwards.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:14 PM
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24. Why are Bill's former advisers called "white boys"
:wtf:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:22 PM
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25. it's chilling that GQ would kill the story just because Hillary didn't like it...
... and everyone assumed that she was going to be the nominee and then the president, etc...


:wow:

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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #25
34. Ah,yes....PREVIOUS Censorship! Shuster should feel complimented!
I wonder if it was Patti-cakes' Last Act of Desperation or the Shuster Chilling was cooked up by "The Five " ????

Should turn this effin' campaign over to T.A.P.S. for a paranormal analysis :rofl: :spray: :rofl:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 05:42 PM
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44. She was so busy watching soap operas, she didn't see the soap opera goign on around her.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
47. There's a lot never been told about the Clintons, like Bill's 2002 affairs with Lisa Belzberg
and Belinda Stronach, reported in the Daily News, the Post and on CNN back then.
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:12 PM
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28. She's pretty cute though
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #28
35. Viper-like quality.........
:rofl:
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #28
87. Hmmmmmm . . .
Well, should fantasy become reality, and you wind up with this "cutie," be sure to balance your checkbook on a regular basis.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:18 PM
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30. How ironic! If the Hillary campaign hadn't been so succesful in getting
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 02:18 PM by hedgehog
this story spiked last summer, the resulting fuss might have warned Hillary to shake up her staff and revise her plans in time to do some good. If she hadn't been so controlling on press access back then, she might be the nominee in waiting now!
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:28 PM
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40. Nah, Hillary just replaced her scheduler with her secretary anyway
Don't want a MAN to run things, who might have national campaign experience.

You can imagine the way she'd run the gummint from all this...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:45 AM
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68. Zingo! Thanks hilary for
your hatchetman enforcer results..dare I say "kneecappers" ala tweety?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:24 PM
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32. Just what we need. Another president who opts for loyalty over competence. nt
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:47 PM
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33. Patti ! We Knew Ye All too Well....See you in Hubrisland, Asshat!
:hurts: :spank: :hurts:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:53 PM
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37. And she wants to pick our Supreme Court Justices, and head of FEMA. and other cabinet posts.Cronies
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:55 PM
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38. Great post ...recommended
Wow that was a real eye-opener. Keeping cronies in charge for their loyalty. Hmm, where have I heard that before?

Heck of a job Brownie!?!?:puke:
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 04:38 PM
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43. It irks me that the latinos are upset
because one of their own has been ousted, despite fact that Solis was incompetent. Just like they wanted Alberto Gonzalez to get the AG job despite him being ridiculously ill-equipped for the job. So the irony is rich, this costing HRC a lot of votes in Texas. Proves that my latino brothers and sisters are not thinking for themselves yet. When they do evenetually, watch out.
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:30 PM
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50. hmmm, I don't know, this makes me feel sympathy for Clinton,
and also, I kind of like that she cares about Loyalty so much.

But, I'm not sure she could be the best commander in chief if she's willing to put people in positions they aren't qualified for.

Think about it, didn't Bush do the same thing with Rumsfeld, and others . . .
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:48 PM
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51. I've always wondered why she wouldn't announce she was running...
I saw many discussions here about how it was obvious she was going to run but we couldn't figure out why they were being so coy about it.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:08 PM
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53. This seems to be a reoccuring theme
she doesn't choose the right people to do the right jobs but instead rewards "loyalty". She doesn't realize things are going south til she's way off the road and lost to boot. So why is it that she keeps claiming she's experienced? And that she's "ready from Day 1"? Ready for what? Disaster? Thank you very much, we've had that already. I want something different. This is an issue the HRCers are trying to hide from. Why aren't they answering the questions that these kinds of articles open up? And how exactly were the Clintons able to spike this story? More press supression?
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:13 PM
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54. Wow, I knew she had run a bad campaign before, but didn't realize it was this bad
Wow, I didn't realize her campaign was run that poorly.

The way Hillary changes her mind so often on stuff like campaign slogans has shown me that she's not running a very good campaign for a while now. She's failed to present consistent reason for why we should vote for her, other then "she's Hillary". I mean earlier she focused on experience, and how good things were under Bill, now she's change. Her flip flop on Florid and Michigan also makes her look very desperate.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:10 PM
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56. another hit piece funny how every from right winged talk radio has bled over into
democratic underground. Because of hit pieces like this people have to go through a lot of garbage to make a one of the most important decisions of there lifetime. Man Obama better not screw up or we are all SCREWED.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:36 PM
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57. Wow, this is devastating to her fund raising attempts now.
They said on the news tonight that they are going to try and hold a fund raiser every day this month and attempt to squeeze out $1 Million dollars a day from now until the end of the month.

I don't think it will happen.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:47 PM
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58. Hillary appointed her scheduler ...
Next thing you know she'll be scheduling her appointer!
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:56 AM
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71. "You Can Sit Here
...in the waiting room, or you can wait here in the sitting room."

-- Nick Danger, Third Eye


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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:49 PM
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60. "the White Boys"
i don't know why, but this just got me laughing and i can't stop.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:25 AM
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63. What the first article says to me is Dems have NO commitment to clean elections anymore.
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 12:27 AM by Leopolds Ghost
It is now a war between the "writers" (super-rich) and the "raisers" (very rich, who can corral much larger groups of rich people to assemble even more powerful coalitions of "new rich" -- Silicon Valley types, the very people who benefited from Clinton downsizing of the industrial economy -- to power Obama's campaign with so-called "small donations" of four-figure sums. Upper class versus upper class. Neither candidate will want to, nor be allowed to, end NAFTA.

Couple that with the disgraceful attitude Dems have to campaign finance
reform, refusing to sieze the opportunity to run a truly clean election
against one of the ARCHITECTS of McCain-Feingold, they choose to embrace
unlimited funding like Bush did, instead. They want to go Bush one better
and do what Bush was rightly condemned for doing. KO actually took people
to task for suggesting that Obama keep his promise to accept federal
dollars if McCain was the nominee. SHAME!!

Every stereotype of the blogosphere is that the "opinion leaders" are the sort of latte-sipping Silicon Valley techies who supposedly represent the party's liberal wing, while Clinton, whose husband was the architect of NAFTA, demagogues the working class into neo-Reagan fake populism.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:33 AM
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64. "Solis Doyle had burned through more than $30 million. As NYT put it, the donor base was incensed."
Apparently the donor base in places like New York and Silicon Valley is
now so large, so wealthy and so well organized that they are capable of
becoming "incensed" when THEIR (large sums, over $100) money is misused
for the intended purpose instead of being held in reserve for a
presidential run as the inside baseball major donors were verbally
promised.

Small donors (not that there are very many disinterested citizens who want
to donate money to uber-wealthy people to allow them to spend the
equivalent of a third world country's economy on a media campaign
to employ vast amounts of apolitical, ladder-climbing campaign flacks --
living in DC I met many of them -- and run as faux-populists -- do not
generally express "outrage" when a candidate actually SPENDS their money
instead of using it to enlarge her war chest.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:38 AM
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65. "A paltry $10 million; far from conveying her inevitability, this had the oppposite effect"
And the author of this piece thinks Patty Solis Doyle is "unfit to lead"
because she failed to amass enough money to buy off the entire Democratic
Party and shut down democracy? The author is criticizing Solis Doyle
for failing to shut down the Democratic primaries and kill democracy thru
money wars, a la Steve Forbes or Mitt Romney? Whatever happen to campaign
finance reform?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:46 AM
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69. I've been thinking a lot about this quote lately...
..."for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to the current president’s than her supporters might like to admit."

And, all candidate bias aside, I agree with it. And it concerns me.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:49 AM
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70. K&R n/t
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:59 AM
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72. Reminds me of Bush's leadership style. But since she
supported NAFTA (thinking it was good for the middle class) and voted for the Iraq War Resolution (thinking it wasn't a vote for war) I'm not surprised.

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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:07 AM
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73. Will Hillary nominate Solis-Doyle to the Supreme Court...
ala *'s nomination of Harriet Miers? There's much in common between Hillary's and *'s "leadership" styles...
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:31 AM
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74. My god she's just totally incompetent. How dare her run for president. Nothing but mistake after mi
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 01:34 AM by bjobotts
She had so many people fooled too...Glad you were able to do such a good hit job on her campaign...the nerve to think she could be president or for that matter that any woman could be president...all the screw ups in her campaign were women too. Women just can't help themselves, they all just screw up. Glad you pointed out how incompetent these women are...watching soap operas and all instead of doing their jobs...never serious...next you'll be telling me she cried too. Good on you. Glad you were smart enough to show us how dumb her campaign is.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:39 AM
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76. Me thinks you doth protest too much.
Stop extrapolating.

Nobody said ALL women were this or that. THIS particular woman did a horrific job. That shouldn't be said aloud?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:35 AM
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85. Actually Patty Solis Doyle couldn't take the strain of being a campaign manager
and her 6-year old wanted Daddy instead of Mommy. Reported in the WSJ:

Ms. Solis Doyle recently returned home after two months on the road to find a family accustomed to her absence, she told colleagues. When her 6-year-old son cried out one night recently, he rebuffed his mom, saying, "I want Daddy." Ms. Solis Doyle flew out of the room in tears and told her husband: "Joey doesn't want me. S- this campaign, I'm quitting."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120295209438666989.html?mod=hpp_us_pageone


This is a really knee-jerk thing to do. The kid was upset, but he would get right back to wanting his Mommy after a few weeks or days. Every parent knows this.

Patty obviously didn't like pretending to be a campaign manager.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:35 AM
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75. looks like Hillary's natural choice to run Office of Management and Budget.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:24 AM
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78. She's a natural fit.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 03:21 AM
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77. K&R
Please not four more years!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:50 AM
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79. Somehow this just reeks of BS
I am sure that the Clinton's knew what they were doing and putting a scheduler in charge of her campaign was not an accident. I don't know why but my gut says this campaign manager wasn't expected to do anything. Something is really stinky about this story.

I'm not meaning this in a negative way toward the OP it's just the story is missing something as I do not believe the Clinton's are that inefficient.
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TalkAgain Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 08:06 AM
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80. Hillary = Bush
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:55 AM
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83. She blew it
This was Sen. Clinton's "Brownie" moment.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 09:56 AM
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84. I'm not supporting Clinton, but I think the remarks against her on this
thread are shameful. When someone in your family has problems, do you always go for the jugular? I think something is very sick about the vile commentary. There are plenty of Republican criminals to target the hate. She is a former First Lady who has/is making some mistakes - if this is all true. I regret turning on DU this morning.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:41 PM
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88. She would like to be POTUS and Leader of the Free World.
Don't you think she should at least show a little curiousity about where her donors' money has gone, and be competent to hire and manage her, relatively small, staff? These are only the most minor of qualifications needed for the job.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 06:42 PM
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90. You are speaking about her mistakes and choices - I am speaking about
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 06:44 PM by higher class
the extent of the comments - way beyond what is necessary. I want to excuse them because I think they are kids, but it has reached sewer level.

Claims are being made and the situation calls for factual dialogue, not fourth grader stuff and hate that should be directed towards Republicans.

I don't want her for President because I suspect this kind of stuff - but the attacks are just plain juvenile. I am really having a problem supporting Obama when I read the stuff by his supporters. And I have some of the same suspicions that Obama might go for the corporations and foundations.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 01:01 PM
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89. I agree. I glanced at the comments---herd mentality-most just clapping themselves
on the back for a hateful divisive post.

Best.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 11:14 PM
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92. On that last point about Patty Solis Doyle
It reminds me of the loyalty questions that came up when then-President Clinton left Assistant Attorney General nominee Lani Guinier out to hang while the Republicans smeared her in the worst way and tarred her with "Quota Queen."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lani_Guinier

The same could be said for Pres. Clinton's abandonment of Dr. Joycelyn Elders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joycelyn_Elders#Surgeon_General
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:18 PM
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94. Kick !!!
:kick:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:36 PM
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95. so the Clintons spiked this story and then spent an hour getting the media to cover plagarism
hmmm
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:53 AM
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96. yup
i wonder how much money Solis and Penn are getting.
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