Words Are Cheap

[NYCGirl]

Brilliant!

from Daily Kos contributor GW Chimpzilla via The Field:



http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=608

[bunnies]

1. "At the House of Clinton, Speeches *Do* Put the Food on the Table"

Ouch. Double zinger there.

[Inuca]

23. ANd they do not come cheap n/t

[VolcanoJen]

55. Ouch! Oooh! Zing!!!

Damn. "At the House of Clinton, speeches *do* put the food on the table."

That's about the best zing ever. :rofl:

[ProSense]

2. Some say that's just a GD piece of paper! n/t

[jlake]

3. Those were not empty words - they were backed by action - and war.

Obama does not want to fight the Republicans.
Get it?

[K Gardner]

4. Errr... do YOU get it? Evidently not.

[jlake]

5. I get that all Obama has are words - and words are cheap if you don't back them up.

Obama's own advisors admit he will not get much of his "agenda" accomplished.
Just watch CNBC when they placate the business community with winks and nods about how Obama's rhetoric is a crock.

[peoli]

14. What do you think hes gonna do after he gets into the white house. sit on his ass?

you want to see action? why dont you look at the ACTION of his campaign that he is running that is about to topple the Clintons? Is there any action there? you think he has no idea what hes doing yet hes about to become the potus!? wake up./

[jlake]

26. Cave to the Republicans at every turn. It's what he's already promised to do.

[LSK]

28. you mean like this?

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

:shrug:

[jgraz]

51. Or maybe like this?

A quick review of Hillary Clinton's Senate career.


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Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing regarding the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito.

Senator Clinton skipped the Senate debate and confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey.

Senator Clinton did nothing to prevent the passage of the Military Commissions Act.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the vote to extend FISA.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing on the Walter Reid scandal, even though she sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing during the current debate on Telecom Immunity.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of George Bush.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to list these one-by-one)

Senator Clinton campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont

Senator Clinton proposed legislation to ban flag burning.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the renewal USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent the use of cluster bombs against civilian populations.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It's called Leadership. And Hillary hasn't got a drop of it.

[XemaSab]

29. How is that different than triangulating?

:shrug:

[jlake]

30. Wow! The first admission from an Obamabot that he is no different than y'all claim

Hillary to be!

[XemaSab]

33. Here's the difference in a nutshell:

Hillary and Bill spent 8 years selling progressives down the river.

Obama has not spent 8 years selling progressives down the river.

There's a 100% chance Hillary will sell us out if she gets elected.

There's say, an 80% Obama will sell us out if he gets elected.

Hillary and Bill have capitulated and compromised all the way.

Obama talks about cooperation, which isn't the same thing at all.

Comprende?

[jlake]

35. Nope. Obama will sell us out infinitely more than Hillary would.

There is a reason the neo-cons love him.
Afterall, Hillary doesn't want to expand the military budget and add 50K troops
....why would Obama need all those troops?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. Need Lotto numbers.

Winning ones. Thanks.

[jlake]

39. I'll need them too once Obama collapses our economy.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

42. You won't need them.

You already have them. You're a Seer.

Lucky for you, Senator Clinton will stop the out-of-control President from fucking up the economy. She'll stand up in the well of the Senate and filibuster for as long as it takes! She's already done it so many times, on so many important issues. See, it's better if she doesn't win!

[jlake]

43. Hillary has less than a year left in the senate, so I have no idea of what you speak.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. 5 years.

I predict an hundred filibusters.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2008/01/14/crystal_narrowweb__300x351,0.jpg

[jlake]

50. She will be sworn in as president next Jan. I don't think she'll have time to be in the senate.

[XemaSab]

40. Hillary is DLC.

The DLC is ANTI-POPULIST.

Do you understand what this means? :shrug:

[VolcanoJen]

56. Brief list of those Hillary has sold out already in 2008

"They Don't Count"

The Democratic voters of Idaho.
The Democratic voters of South Carolina.
The Democratic voters of Utah.
The Democratic voters of Missouri.
The Democratic voters of Georgia.
The Democratic voters of Washington.
The Democratic voters of Alabama.
The Democratic voters of Iowa.
The Democratic voters of Louisiana.
The Democratic voters of Colorado.
The Democratic voters of Kansas.
The Democratic voters of Nebraska.
The Democratic voters of Alaska.

[jlake]

57. If you think she sold out those people - you'll be stunned by what Obama does.

[northzax]

36. don't worry, Obama won't sell progressives down the river

that would imply he is pretending to be progressive now and will change. Since that's not the case, he can't sell us down the river, he's not even pretending.

[XemaSab]

41. Word.

:D

[peoli]

47. you are so bitter. people are more than labels.

[jlake]

54. "people are more than labels" What is that Obama's newest slogan? WTF are you talking about?!?!?

[ProSense]

15. He's not president yet!

The politics of hope does not mean hoping things come easy.

Because nothing worthwhile in this country has ever happened

unless somebody, somewhere stood up when it was hard; stood up

when they were told – no you can’t, and said yes we can."

link

[Carolina]

44. and Hillary does

What kind of fighting has she don these past 7 years?!

What can she claim leadership on during her 7 years in the Senate?

What has she done aside from:

- Posturing, triangulating and word spinning (yes, her words are cheap)

- Claiming thirty-five years experience? Hmmm... at least 20 as First Lady to WJC's elected positions.

- Being for the war (repeatedly and from the start) before she was against it. She only changed her tune when her stance was at odds with the popular opinion and would threaten/compromise her POTUS ambition

- Claiming to fight for the little people while supporting corporations and the bankruptcy bill that favored them

- Claiming she's ready on day one when hey, she wasn't even ready for a formidable opponent in the primaries

[AtomicKitten]

6. K&R

[K Gardner]

9. Kitten, ROFL.. I just now noticed your Free David siggy, too cute :-)

[AtomicKitten]

11. *

B-)

[jackson_dem]

7. Words. Is writinf a letter all that Jefferson and company did in 1776?

[NYCGirl]

8. Jefferson was inspirational. Words are important. NT

[jackson_dem]

16. Is that all he did? Talk? He was so inspiration England just gave into his demands?

All he had to do was talk to them, show them how wrong their beliefs were and everything ended happily?

[NYCGirl]

18. No, he inspired others work toward our goals. That's what good words do.

See ProSense's posting above. That says it all.

[jackson_dem]

21. What does "hope and change" inspire people to do without concerate action to back it up?

[elixir]

10. Well, you must have a very low threshhold for brilliant. It's just a piece of paper, the actions

came later.

[Uncle Joe]

12. I believe it can be argued the best words can inspire the best actions, also

consider Tom Paine's "Common Sense" on bolstering patriot moral during the darkest days of the Revolution as another example.

I believe people should be judged on their actions as well their words, but having said that I wouldn't discount the power of good words.

[jackson_dem]

19. What are the actions Obama is offering?

Jefferson, Paine, Henry, and the others backed their words up with real action. :wtf: is "hope and change", "yes we can"? Compare that to "we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal...". The Founding Fathers, and other greats, like MLK, had words that had real meaning. Obama uses slogans and avoids specifics on issues.

[NYCGirl]

24. Go to this link:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

There's a 65-page book you can download and then read at your leisure. It's called "Blueprint for Change"

[Uncle Joe]

25. The candidates that I supported the most with specific ideas

were marginalized and or ignored by the corporate media, so at this point soaring rhetoric is all I have left.

Today I believe if Obama used specifics, he would be trashed by the corporate media as well so I admit it's a bit of a gamble. If I remember correctly FDR governed far more progressively than his first campaign indicated.

[XemaSab]

27. With that attitude

you can just take your ass right over to merry England.

People have FOUGHT AND DIED for that "piece of paper."

[northzax]

32. yup, we once had a country based on those principles

of course, after a couple of years, everyone realized the Articles of Confederation were crap and wrote a new constitution.

People seem to think the declaration is a legal document. It isn't.

[XemaSab]

38. It's not a legal document, but it's INTRINSIC to our HERITAGE as a NATION

It steams my greens that some folks here don't get that talk is NOT cheap.

MLK was SHOT for speaking out. People have been sent to gulags and concentration camps for speaking out.

Writing the declaration was an act of political courage that changed world history.

Sorry, but if people don't get that they should either pack up and leave, or go back and complete their GEDs. :P

[MethuenProgressive]

13. So Obama is Jesus, JFK, and Thomas Jefferson to his followers?

What a funny world they live in...

[NYCGirl]

17. No, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe that. NT

[jackson_dem]

20. You forgot MLK and Lincoln

[Uncle Joe]

22. I don't know about Jesus but as for the rest, you never know what his potential can be.

Who was JFK before he came along and who was Thomas Jefferson before he arrived? Personally I believe Al Gore fits the closest of those mentioned regarding vision and such but as he's not running and it seems there are only two candidates left, what's a person to do?

[northzax]

34. who were they?

let's see: JFK was a war hero, reporter, congressman, senator, lived overseas for a few years, oh, and he had a pulitzer prize, all before he was forty. Tj was a farmer, lawyer, writer, philosopher, state senator, and general public genius. And then he wrote the words above, before he was thirty.

So not much, really.

[Uncle Joe]

46. I'm not taking anything away from JFK but he also had an advantage of coming from

a well to do family with major political connections. I agree with you on Thomas Jefferson as well, but he also had his dark side, and the world was a much smaller place then, the total population of the colonies was microscopic compared to today's, hence a younger educated man had a much better chance of making a major impact.

Both Thomas Jefferson and JFK were men of eloquence, courage, vision and great intellect, but I believe eliminating the possibility that Obama could be in their league is premature.

[Muttocracy]

49. TJ also inventor, scientist, and founder of UVa nt

[NMMatt]

31. You forgot MLK -nt

[Blue-Jay]

53. Saying ridiculous things DOES make people notice you.

Well done.

[Westegg]

48. What's "cheap" is flopsweat.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. What A Stupid, Stupid Article That Was.

What the fuck is wrong with people's ability to think and discern differences these days? Holy ignorant!

Is it not clear the stark difference between Obama using rhetoric on the campaign trail, and Bill giving speeches as a new source of income after the Presidency? I mean, people are really buying this comparison as some big gotcha? Holy shit people have lost their damn minds. Stupidity abounds, I guess...