What are these accomplishments that Hillary speaks of?

[NJmaverick]

She talks like she has an impressive list of accomplishments. What are they? Voting for the Iraq war? Failing to develop a health plan in the 8 years her husband was president? Her comments against Obama, would lead (or mislead) one into thinking she has done something of note. That she has an impressive list of accomplishments.

[islandmkl]

1. well...she didn't shoot monica, or even punch her out (as far as we know)...

but, then again, I guess Hillary only MOVED to Arkansas, she didn't grow up there.

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[SaveOurDemocracy]

15. I am embarrassed to see Democrats posting this shit...

in a 'supposedly' Democratic forum.

If this is acceptable then expect to see Dumbobama photoshops showing up.

If there are any DECENT BHO supporters out there, you should also be enraged by bullshit like this that only alienates voters you may need someday.


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[KAZ]

20. You and me both.

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[NJmaverick]

34. We are suppose to accept Hillary's lies and deceptions

because she is a Democrat? Sorry doesn't work that way. Morals and ethics don't know political parties.

[KAZ]

21. Grow up.

[EmilyAnne]

82. As a fellow Obama supporter, I am embarrassed to see stuff like this posted. Please stop. n/t

[NJmaverick]

86. Sadly you are seeing many fine people

Once again going into battle against those that would lie, decieve and mislead in their quest for power. Let Obama and his people stay true to the ideals. There needs to be those that defend him against those that would use Rove like tactics.

[pbca]

3. Wait...didn't she

Pass sweeping health care reform..on no, wait, she failed at that and lost the Democrats the majority in the house

but she did hammer out a peace treaty in Northern Ireland..wait, no..that was Bill - ooops wrong again, it was George Mitchell

Didn't she invent the internet though...oh..no..wait...that was Gore

um.....

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[sunonmars]

5. ahem

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6001

Senator Hillary Clinton today hailed final Congressional approval of the Cameron Gulbransen Kids and Cars Safety Act, legislation sponsored by Senator Clinton and Congressman John Dingell and cosponsored by Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown to protect children from injury in and around motor vehicles. Since 2001, at least 41 Ohio children have suffered fatal non-traffic vehicle accidents and nearly every other day in the United States, a child faces a similar fate. The bipartisan legislation ensures that cars in the United States are properly equipped with safety technology to prevent unintentional harm to children, promising safer cars and safer children across the country. Having been approved by both chambers of Congress, the bill now goes to the President’s desk to be signed into law.

What was that you were saying?

[pbca]

9. Nice

Only 8 years as first lady and 8 years in the senate and she has ALREADY nailed down a minor piece of auto safety legislation. Amazing.

[NJmaverick]

38. LOL!

Good one!

[XemaSab]

39. That's going to polarize the country if she makes it to the GE

:eyes:

[Darth_Kitten]

54. Uh, and what have you done lately?

seems to me that Hillary has been fighting and accomplishing things for many decades.

Why go into detail? It's obvious your own upbringing didn't inspire in you a great deal, nay any, respect for women.

Ciao.

[NJmaverick]

67. Yeah if you don't love Hillary, you must hate women

sick twisted "logic", that's an insult to sick and twisted.

[pbca]

88. Yeah we're back to

you're with us or agin us. Thanks Mrs. Bush can I get you some more cool aid?

[NJmaverick]

89. Excellent point!

[NJmaverick]

12. That's not exactly impressive

I am not sure it even would be considered an accomplishment. I definately know it wouldn't allow her to be making the remarks about how she is all accomplishment while Obama is all talk.

[TexasObserver]

6. Mrs. Governor, Mrs. Walmart, Mrs. President, DLC Senator

Impressive in some circles, but not worthy of president.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. 2200 posts in 15 days.

146 posts a day/avg.

Step away from the meth...

[TexasObserver]

25. How did I miss you?

When I was putting all the Hill Shills on IGNORE?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

26. Too busy spamming?

:shrug:

[rinsd]

28. ...

You're not the only one who noticed.

[XemaSab]

41. You're wrong

She wasn't Mrs. Walmart, she was Ms. Walmart.

That was 100% Hillary right there.

[Iktomiwicasa]

7. Hmmmm, let's see

I can name a couple or three...

Iraq War vote

DOMA

K/L vote

[sunonmars]

8. and what the fuck has Obama done, fuck all it seems

[NJmaverick]

11. Obama

Isn't telling people that Hillary has done nothing, while he has an impressive list of accomplishments.

[intaglio]

19. One or two minor accomplishments

A degree in International Relations from Columbia, sits on the Foreign Relations Committee. He's developing nuclear arms reduction and anti-nuclear terror legislation in the Senate and just passed a Global Poverty initiative through the FRC

[jackson_dem]

10. Let's compare SCHIP to renaming a post office

[Lucinda]

13. Well if you bothered to look for them, you'd find them.

You seem to be able to post on the internet, so I'm sure you're capable of using google.
Let us know if it's too tough for you though, and we can get you a link to google.

[NJmaverick]

16. I would think her biggest was allowing Bush to invade Iraq

beyond that her time in the Senate wasn't particularly remarkable or impressive.

[sandnsea]

23. I have looked

I have no clue. We've googled up Obama's Illinois record and his Senate record, repeatedly. This is a legitimate question. What the hell has Hillary accomplished in the Senate??

[goodgd_yall]

36. Why don't you just go to www.vote-smart.org?

Her record is long and posting it her would require editing which would be a subjective exercise on my part of what I think is most important.

[NJmaverick]

40. Oh why don't you just list 3 or 4 of her biggest accomplishment

No need to post the whole list.

[goodgd_yall]

42. It sounds like you don't really care to inform yourself

If you go to the site you can look at her record and see for yourself.

[NJmaverick]

43. Odd that not one Hillary supporter can name her accomplishments

A response like this one, is a good as an admission of failure, in my book.

[jackson_dem]

48. I named what I consider her biggest accomplishment in post 10. You ignored it

[NJmaverick]

50. Ah how does she get credit for that one?????

She wasn't a legislator, she didn't write the law, and she wasn't the president, so she didn't make the decisions

[goodgd_yall]

61. As first lady of the U.S. she was influential in getting certain legislation advanced

She helped shepherd the Family and Medical Leave Act as well.

This year Bush signed the only expansion on that bill that has been passed so far (we have had a Republican president in office you know)---it gives the families of injured military personnel 6 months leave.

[NJmaverick]

68. WOW! Influential, why didn't you say so

That certainly justifies her comments and attacks on Obama's lack of accomplishments.:sarcasm:

[NJSecularist]

62. Hillary gets credit for everything she is associated with, except when it's something negative

or bad.

Didn't you figure that out already?

She gets credit for all of the good things Bill did during his term, but she doesn't get any criticism for the bad things that happened during Bill's term.

[goodgd_yall]

63. You're very insincere in wanting to know what Hillary has accomplished

It appears anything that is presented to you is going to be shot down.

[NJmaverick]

69. When she attacked Obama and implied her own accomplishments

were great, she set the bar high. So far no one can name ONE accomplishment that would rise to the level of being able to justify her DISHONEST criticism of Obama.

[NJmaverick]

37. You are not supposed to say that

Hillary counts on you not thinking about what she says. She wants you (like Bush used to do) to assume that she must be good, because she is knocking her opponent.

[Mz Pip]

14. I heard Frank Luntz ask a bunch

of Obama supporters if they could name anything specific Obama had done. They couldn't and the MSM and Clinton supporters jumped all over it as proof of his lack of accomplishments.

BUt I would suspect that if a group of Clinton supporters were asked the same question they would be hard pressed to come up with anything off the top of their heads either.

It's gotcha politics.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[NJmaverick]

17. It's also the epitome of hypocrisy

They call out one candidate for something they are no better on. The key is Obama isn't misleading the people, like Hillary, and trying to convince them that he has all these accomplishments.

[jackson_dem]

29. Obama is claiming he is "an agent of change" and will "transform" Washington and politics

While his record shows all he has done is pass a bill to rename a post office. That isn't misleading?

[NJmaverick]

30. No

No it's not. He is not falsely claiming or implying he has a record, like Hillary. He his saying what he will do if elected president. It's scary that Hillary supporters seem to have difficulting with these basic and simple ethical distinctions.

[jackson_dem]

31. If he has no record of change are we to "hope" he will "change"?

If he did nothing in the Senate what makes you think he will "transform" America in the White House?

[NJmaverick]

32. He has certainly changed how campaigns are run

He has run a far better campaign than Hillary. That alone is a good indication that he knows how to run things, better than Hillary. His avoiding the nastiness is also a refreshing CHANGE, as is trying to instill hope instead of fear.

[jackson_dem]

46. He hasn't and he has run the dirtiest campaign of any Democrat

Personal Attacks/Smears/Lies (may overlap with race baiting)

Jesse Jackson Jr. (Obama’s national co-chair) implies Hillary is a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

Obama campaign memo that was integral in swiftboating the Clintons on race. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-cam...

Obama spokesman continuing the swiftboating of the Clintons on race before South Carolina. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01...

Obama praising Reagan, using him to attack Bill Clinton. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaoYD7iZG9w

Obama attacks Edwards and Hillary in Iowa for what he would do himself in Nevada. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/29/53807...

Obama takes a page from Rove and attacks Edwards in Iowa on his strength. http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Obama%20Oppo%20on...

Obama attacks Edwards, using the familiar “Edwards is a phony” meme Obamites used on the netroots. “"Part of the problem John would have in a general election is the issues he's taken on now are not the issues or the things that he said four years ago, which always causes problems in general elections," Obama said of Edwards,”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/29/53852...
(To know what Edwards actually said four years ago read http://home.att.net/~midnightflyer/jednc04.html )

Edwards on Obama’s campaign tactics.
Earlier in the debate (this is what Edwards was alluding to. Obama is replying to Hillary):

St. Obama: But when you comb my 4,000 votes in Illinois, choose one...... try to present it in the worst possible light, that does have to be answered. That does have to be answered.

Later in the debate:

EDWARDS: The question is, why would you over 100 times vote present? I mean, every one of us -- every one -- you've criticized Hillary. You've criticized me for our votes.
OBAMA: Right.
EDWARDS: We've cast hundreds and hundreds of votes. What you're criticizing her for, by the way, you've done to us, which is you pick this vote and that vote out of the hundreds that we've cast.
(APPLAUSE)
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15300 /


David Axlerod, Obama’s top adviser, claimed on television that he could not remember anything Edwards had done in the Senate—even though four years earlier he was listing the great things Edwards had done in the Senate when he was working for Edwards. Is his memory that bad or was he lying?

The Obama campaign smears Bill Clinton with a lie:

We've just obtained an email that shows that the Obama campaign yesterday circulated a negative, and ultimately false, story about Bill Clinton -- that he allegedly made money giving a speech on September 11, 2006.
This email is unusual in that it is flagging something potentially negative not about a primary rival but about the former President -- one who obviously isn't running in the Democratic primary and who remains popular with Dem primary voters.
The email, which was sent out by Jen Psaki of the Obama campaign and circulated to reporters (not us) on an off-the-record basis late yesterday

-snip-
The story spread about Bill ultimately turned out to be false. It ended up on Drudge yesterday, where it was given heavy play for many hours, though there's no proof that it was given to Drudge by the Obama campaign. After Drudge posted it, The Observer's Politicker blog thoroughly debunked the story, pointing out that Bill's schedule proved that he'd actually given the speech the night before, on Sept. 10.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/15/13559/6539

The Obamite thread about Hillary included two criticisms Hillary mundane criticisms Hillary leveled against Obama, including one in which she said Obama offers false hope. There is no need to document the countless attacks, usually veiled, that Obama has made on Hillary and to a lesser degree Edwards. We all know it. He does so in almost every speech! Here is a sampling, courtesy of the website http://www.attacktimeline.com /

(Obama went on the attack two days after beginning his “positive” campaign)

02/12/07 HEADLINE: Obama's first salvo targets Hillary Clinton


06/15/07 Obama campaign pushes opposition research falsely accusing Bill Clinton of giving paid speech on 9/11/06.


06/16/07 Obama campaign pushes opposition research referring to Hillary as ‘(D-Punjab).’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

07/27/07 HEADLINE: Obama likens Hillary to Bush; Hints at poor foreign policy
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6788300/Obama-l...

10/12/07 Obama says Hillary is leading 'because she's Hillary Clinton as opposed to Hillary Rodham.'
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID...

10/11/07 Obama accuses Hillary of trying to 'massage the past.'
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/11/sitroom....

10/12/07 Obama campaign says it questions 'what principles, if any' Hillary has.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/th...

10/13/07 Obama says Hillary is willing to 'go along with Bush policies.'


10/15/07 Obama says Hillary is 'the most calculating politician in this race.'
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2007/10/15/most-p...

10/28/07 Obama says Hillary believes 'you should hedge and dodge and spin, but at all costs, don't answer.'
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/51280c12-85aa-11dc-8170-00007...

10/30/07 Obama chief strategist: Hillary 'has a special-interest obsession.' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21536415

10/30/07 Obama says Hillary 'has not been truthful and clear.'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21528787/page/13 /

11/01/07 Obama chief strategist says Hillary passes 'everything through a political calculator' and is not 'forthright.' http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na...


11/01/07 Obama campaign said Hillary 'offered more of the same Washington political calculation and evasion.'
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/campaign-call-revea...

11/02/07 Obama said Hillary has 'one position one day and one position another day.'


11/07/07 HEADLINE: Obama: Clinton flip-flops on energy
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?...

11/14/07 Obama surrogate Larry Tribe: ' not really a phony, though she plays one on TV.' http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007...

11/18/07 HEADLINE: Obama accuses Clinton campaign of mud-slinging with Novak column
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/1...

11/27/07 Obama Mocks Hil 1st Lady Role


12/18/07 Obama Hits Hillary In New Hampshire Mailer
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/12...

12/21/07 Obama Camp Registers Anti-Clinton Web Sites
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4036024

12/18/07 Clinton makes nice, but Obama questions her character
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/071218/usa/us_vote2008_c...

12/27/07 'Barack Obama's right hand man thinks may have had something to do' with Bhutto's assasination.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blo...

12/27/07 Obama's campaign links Bhutto's assasination with Hillary's 'different judgment'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Obamas_Paki...

12/27/07 Obama links Bhutto's assassination to politicians like Hillary who 'have not made particularly good judgments.'
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007...

12/28/07 Obama's campaign says Bhutto's assasination was 'yet another manifestation' of Hillary's poor judgment.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7590.html

01/09/08 Obama supporter calls Hillary one of the ‘guardians of the status quo.’


01/10/08 Obama supporter mocks Hillary’s teary moment and says ‘don’t cry’ to Obama.
] http://www.nypost.com/seven/01102008/news/regionalnews/... /

01/10/08 Obama supporter doubts Hillary’s sincerity and says ‘those tears have to be analyzed.’
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/10/200...

01/11/08 Obama supporter suggests Hil’s tears were crocodilian.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/01/11/2008-01-...

01/18/08 Obama suggests Hillary was not truthful and was 'willing to say anything to get elected.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

01/18/08 Michelle Obama says Hillary represents 'the same old thing over and over again'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

01/18/08 John Kerry says Hillary uses ‘the kind of politics I expect from the other party.'http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/18/m-Kerry/#/O... /

01/21/08 Obama accuses Hillary of being 'willing to say anything to get elected.'http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/debate.transcrip...

Yesterday: Obama releases a lying ad in Wisconsin. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hU0EWZcx3NAS1qa1M6s7...

For months: Obama has lied about his plan being universal, aside from a short interlude of honest which disappeared as soon as Iowa and New Hampshire approached.

Race Baiting

Everyone thinks race became an issue in January. In fact is was introduced into the race in November by the Obamas. Remember this was at a time when Hillary looked bulletproof in Nevada and led big in New Hampshire. Obama was in a close three way battle in Iowa (this was before Edwards faded in Iowa, only to recover late but it was not enough). He needed to build a firewall in South Carolina. The exit poll from the South Carolina primary makes it very obvious how he did it.

November 12, 2007:

With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), his wife Michelle said "black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/12/michelle-obama...
(this was at a time Obama was in the 40’s with black voters in an eight candidate field. Clearly his wife expected him to get well more than the 40’s and we now know what tactics they used to go from the 40’s to the mid to high 80’s)

Obama supporter Charles Barron, a NYC councilman, (November 2007): “Why wouldn’t black people support a black candidate who is ready to lead America?" http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups...

November 30, 2007. Obama supporter Chris Rock at a Harlem event:
A few minutes later, the comedian Chris Rock picked up on that theme. “You’d be really embarrassed if he won and you wasn’t with him,” Rock said. He altered his voice to comic affect. “‘I had that white lady. What was I thinking? What was I thinking?’” http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups...
Jesse Jackson Jr. implies Hillary is a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

Obama campaign memo that was integral in swiftboating the Clintons on race. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-cam...

Obama spokesman continuing the swiftboating of the Clintons on race before South Carolina. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01...

Jesse Jackson Jr. playing the race card to win over superdelegates. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/14/225232/180

In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

[NJmaverick]

47. Funny thing you start clicking on the links

Here is what you get more often than not:



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[Barack_America]

22. All of the good stuff Bill did!...(but none of the bad)

Oh yeah, and that Senator gig. ;)

[cottonseed]

24. You think defeating Jeanine Piro was a cakewalk?

She's tested and ready.

[eilen]

56. Absolutely, from Day 1

Pirro could hardly make a speech without looking frantically at her cards.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

27. all you have to do is look at the Congressional records

see which bills she has got through?

[NJmaverick]

33. It's amazing

No Hillary supporter, even with the aid of the internet, can list any significant accomplishment (much less plural). Sort of brings into question her campaign claims that she has been making.

[Carolina]

44. whoop de fucking do

what of IWR and Iraq, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, habeus corpus, the bankruptcy bill

HRC has gone along with Bush to get along and get ahead. Period.

Sen. Ready On Day One wasn't even prepared for competition within her own party.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. shouldn't someone be pointing this out?

[Darth_Kitten]

57. What has St. Obama done?

Seriously? What has Obama FOUGHT for?

[NJmaverick]

70. What has Hillary fought for, other than to allow Bush to attack Iraq?

Hillary made the DISHONEST claim that SHE represented ACCOMPLISHMENT. So now is your chance to prove she isn't the pathological liar she appears to be.

[Nedsdag]

35. Accomplishments?

Her biggest accomplishment is marrying her husband. Her "35 years of experience" is nothing but a myth.

She NEVER mentions her years of corporate law. That's not for the working people.

[Carolina]

45. Touche! K&R

[Darth_Kitten]

58. Clue: Women are human beings, they are not defined by the penises around them

You don't know much about women, eh? Tragic.

[babylonsister]

64. She sure would have liked that 'penis' if he hadn't been such a

campaigning disappointment. If Bill had helped her sweep the country, you can bet he'd still be front and center. And I DO know about women.

[NJmaverick]

66. OK so what defines her? Her vote in favor of the Iraq war?

or is her vagina all she needs to define her?

[Nedsdag]

83. TEE HEE!

Guess what, genius?

I AM A WOMAN!!!!!!!

[Medusa]

51. And let's not forget her accomplishment of running

a completely ineffective campaign and of hiring unqualified cronies instead of people who knew what the hell they wee doing. And then not having the good sense to realize that it wasn't working and fire them. That's a good leader? A good manager? No and NO.

[enough already]

79. Well, give her credit for not hiring Bob Shrum....

....yet.

[Darth_Kitten]

52. What has Obama done then?

Well?

Taking a decisive stand on.......well, what?

[wileedog]

59. He's not the one running on...

... the experience platform. She's the one bragging she is ready to lead on "Day One"

Lead to do what? Screw up another Universal Health Care proposal and lose Congress again? Because that is the most effect she has ever had on anything.

[Darth_Kitten]

60. Maybe because she's the practical one?

yes, whatever.

Nice, 8 posts is it?

[wileedog]

74. So she

'practically' helped lose Congress with a completely botched Health Care proposal?

Again, what else has she proved to be running around claiming to be the "practical" or experienced candidate? Is being First Lady actually experience?

And go for the post count attack, that is always useful in avoiding questions you can't answer. Sorry that I'm new here.

[NJmaverick]

75. Lying isn't a practical matter, it's an ethical one

I see you are trying to use Rove's play number 5, change the subject by launching a personal attack. Hillary is simply a female version of George Bush. She lacks any ethics or moral values. I can not in good conscious support or vote for someone that stands for all the things I spend the last 8 years fighting.

[enough already]

81. Practical?

Was voting to go to war in Iraq 'practical'?

[NJmaverick]

71. Is Obama claiming that Hillary is all talk and he has great

accomplishments? No, then why this Right Wing change the defense into an attack stategy?

[LadyVT]

53. Bills introduced into the Senate: Hillary: 21; Obama 2

[NJmaverick]

72. Votes in favor of Bush attacking Iraq- Hillary 1 Obama 0

[AtomicKitten]

55. 35 years experience! Ready on day one!

About a year at the Children's Defense Fund a century ago, plenty of corporate go-to-girl work, um, Walmart, she lived in big public housing for a couple stretches. Oh, and she voluntarily gave up her collective war-declaring power to an idiot who promptly launched an immoral, illegal war. And, hmmm, oh yeah, she didn't try to stop immunity for those participating in illegal wiretapping. She's loves her some cluster bombs. She holds a Masters in DLC and, um, that's all I've got.

[babylonsister]

65. Don't forget all that experience that aided in her ground game ... oh,

wait. And that crack staff that stands by her through thick and thin ... oh, wait. :think:

[AtomicKitten]

73. I think the Clinton Machine needs a major tune-up and oil change.

[NJmaverick]

76. I think it needs to be junked

It's past it's prime and obsolete.

[AtomicKitten]

77. yep - time to take their pie charts and go home

[EmilyAnne]

80. I am an Obama supporter who acknowledges many wonderful achievements of Hillary Clinton.

It would be disingenuous to dismiss them just because I don't want her to be the next president. While her national health care plan did not pass, she most certainly brought this issue into the public domain. Many people have been clamoring for national health care reform ever since and when/if it happens, she will have had a roll in it. Her State Children's Health Insurance Program did pass and is an excellent program. She had a part in Medicare beginning its coverage of certain immunizations and mammograms and she pushed for investigation into the Gulf War Syndrome. She also had a hand in Adoption policy reform. Hell, she's written some great books that have encouraged and inspired countless women and girls. She is, in short, an excellent advocate for health care, women, children and the poor.

I love Hillary Rodham Clinton. I don't appreciate her criticism of Barack's accomplishments. I wish she wouldn'tsay such things and I don't agree with them That said, it doesn't mean that she, herself, has no accomplishments.

Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are all part of the reason that I am a proud Democrat.

[NJmaverick]

84. Good for you! Live up to Obama's high standards

Me, I am a grizzled warrior that has faught many a battle against the nation's many right wing nut cases. I can't sit quiet when I see the same tactics employed by Hillary and her supporters. I have to defend Obama, the same way I have defended all Democrats.

[goodgd_yall]

85. Try living up to emilyanne's standards

What's this bs about Obama's high standards? You are part of the problem---a zealot who thinks his candidate is superhuman.

[NJmaverick]

87. You Hillary Hounds are just a left wing version of Rush and Ann

and all the other right wing nut job attack dogs. You practice in dishonest debate and deception. We rise up out of relex against these Rove like tactics and do battle once again (hopefully for the last time)