was this Campaigning in Florida?

[LSK]

Clinton to attend South Florida fundraisers
January 27, 2008

COLUMBIA, S.C. NEW YORK - The stumping will be on hold when Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton appears at two fundraisers in Miami Beach tonight, said her spokesman, Mo Elleithee.

Clinton joined her Democratic rivals in signing a pledge not to campaign in Florida because the state's primary is Tuesday. Democratic National Committee rules forbid the state from holding a primary before Feb. 5.

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The private fundraisers are 6 p.m. at Lucky Strike Lanes, followed by another at a private residence later that evening in Miami Beach, said Broward Democratic Chairman Mitch Ceasar.

Clinton will stop in Sarasota for a fundraiser this afternoon before heading to Miami. She plans to head to Connecticut after tonight's appearances.
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-flacampaignwatch0127sbjan27,0,4938570.story

[islandmkl]

1. no, no, no,....you are all confused...

fundraising is fundraising...campaigning is campaigning...there is absolutely no connection (real or implied) between the two

[IndieLeft]

25. Yes, we are all confused.

Thank you for pointing out my confusion.

[Windy]

2. Oh well of course not....in Clinton win by any means neccessary world!

I found that stunt to be the height of arrogance when she did it.

[jsamuel]

5. and as ususal, it is ok when Obama does it

[rinsd]

14. The pledge specifically exlcuded fundraising from prohibited activities.

[flyarm]

23. dupe

[flyarm]

29. ahhh excuse me..Obama came into Fla for fund raising events as well..

as did John Edwards...and Kucinich..

does that mean Obama has a "win by any means neccessary world!"????????? does that mean Obama pulled a
" stunt to be the height of arrogance" ???????????

no it does not..

please stop the nonsense...if you are so lacking in facts..don't post this bullshit pleaseeeeeeeeeee!!


oh and Fundraising was aok...got that?

they could just not actively campaign.

fly

[jsamuel]

3. no, they both had fundraisers in Florida and that is not considered campaigning

[LSK]

8. you got info on the Obama fundraiser?

[MonkeyFunk]

26. November 5th in Sarasota

http://www.rpof.org/article.php?id=171

And his wife had a fundraiser in December

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20071210/COLUMNIST89/712100322/0/RSS

[flyarm]

37. Obama in fla Sept 2007...fundraising...and breaking the rules!!

if anyone broke the pledge it was Obama..no one else did!

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

Barack Obama held an impromptu news conference after a Tampa fundraiser Sunday.


By WILLIAM MARCH and ELAINE SILVESTRINI The Tampa Tribune

Published: September 30, 2007

Fundraising Totals | Primary States | Where They Stand

TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

Obama and others have pledged not to campaign in Florida until the Jan. 29 primary except for fundraising, which is what he was doing in Tampa.

But after the fundraiser at the Hyde Park home of Tom and Linda Scarritt, Obama crossed the street to take half a dozen questions from reporters waiting there.

The pledge covers anything referred to in Democratic National Committee rules as "campaigning," and those include "holding news conferences."

Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again."

Frank Sanchez, a Tampa Obama supporter who helped organize the fundraiser, said the encounter illustrates the awkward situation the candidates have been put in by the controversy over the state's Jan. 29 presidential primary.

[boston bean]

4. Now do a search and see if Obama "fundraised" in FL. nt

[JackORoses]

6. fundraisers held in the days just before the Primary with local press coverage are questionable

Obama held a fundraiser in Florida, but it was last year.

Hillary's activities do push the boundaries of Campaigning.

[rinsd]

16. Yes but TV ads are well within the spirit of the pledge.

:eyes:

He was so concerned about meeting the pledge he took his name off the ballot in MI.

But when it came to waiting 3 days for a national ad buy he said fuck it.

[JackORoses]

43. Actually, he didn't. He sought and received approval from the only remaining Early State

and his request was approved.

You know this, you choose to ignore it.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. The chairman of the SC democratic party

didn't have authority to release him from the pledge.

[JackORoses]

48. She was one of the ones who came up with the pledge in the first place.

SC was the only state the Ad could have affected.
It was approved. End of story.

[MonkeyFunk]

49. Yes, one of the people

But the pledge was not made between the candidates and the chairman of the SC Democratic party, was it?

[JackORoses]

55. it was made between the candidates and the early states. She was a Rep from one of those states.

and at the time Obama made his request, SC was the only early state left.
The only one that the ad could have any effect on.

Obama sought out her approval and he received it.

[rinsd]

51. Yes contrast with MI required removal from the ballot but in FL he asked permission for ads.

[flyarm]

31. sorry obama was down here in fla in sept after the ruling came from the DNC about the sanctions

please do some research before you spout off this bullshit!!

fly

[southern_dem]

7. no, to be fair both candidates held fundraisers

in FL. That was allowed in the agreement.

[JackORoses]

12. both held fundraisers, but there is a difference.

Obama's was held last year, Hillary's in the days just before the Primary.

There was a reason for her timing. I wonder what it could be?

[MonkeyFunk]

28. Why is that fairness?

The pledge specifically allowed fundraising. There was no mention of timing.

Obama very explicitly broke the pledge by running ads there.

[LSK]

33. it was an ad on national cable networks

So would the same networks running the debates in Florida also be a violation on both camps behalf?

[MonkeyFunk]

34. He's the only candidate that did that

and whether you like it or not, it violates the written pledge. Holding fundraisers there - regardless of when - explicity did not.

Don't get dizzy from all that spin.

[LSK]

36. so dont run any national ads???

:shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

39. Not until after the Florida primary

All the other candidates managed to obey that rule.

[flyarm]

60. obama was warned that those ads would go into fla as all other candidates were warned..

the other candidates did not break the rules.

Obama did, knowing full well he would be breaking the DNC rules.

[Henryman]

41. MonkeyF... from reading alot of your posts....

....you seem to like to argue for the "pledge" sometimes and dismiss it at others. Why is that?

[MonkeyFunk]

42. Not really

I don't give a fuck if Obama had ads run there. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of those who claim Clinton violated the pledge by having a fundraiser there, or by not removing her name from the MI ballot.

Neither of those things violated the pledge, and many here pretend that they did - like this OP for instance. I'm pointing out that Clinton did NOT break the pledge, and it can be much more forcefully argued that Obama and Kucinich did.

[JackORoses]

45. Obama had specific permission from the ones he made the Pledge to for that National Ad Buy

You know why Hillary's 'fundraisers' occurred just before the Primary.
Why even pretend like you don't?

[MonkeyFunk]

46. He had permission

from one person, who didn't have the authority to grant him permission.

And why does it matter when the fundraisers were? The pledge said fundraisers were allowed, and had no mention whatsoever of timeframes that were acceptable or not.

[JackORoses]

52. She did have the authority. She is in charge of the SC Dem Party.

do you really feel that those fundraisers just happened to be scheduled in the days before the Primary, or was it on purpose?

[MonkeyFunk]

56. Again

who cares when they were? The pledge had absolutely nothing to say about when they could or couldn't occur.

[JackORoses]

58. do you deny that they were scheduled at that time for a purpose?

[MonkeyFunk]

61. I have no idea when they were scheduled or why.

But it doesn't matter - it was perfectly within the rules. If she did it for her own advantage in the state, again, so what? Were the other candidates prohibited from doing so? No.

[Hoof Hearted]

32. The only difference is one fundraiser was for Obama, the one you like

and one was for Hillary, the one you don't like.

BOTH were within the ground rules.

Obama's national ads were questionable but apparently totally ineffective. Are you saying that a couple of fund raisers with limited to no press coverage and only a few hundred attendees swung the entire state of Florida by more than 17 percentage points? Even though Obama was running TV ads that reached millions?

Really?

:silly:

[JackORoses]

47. no, but it did give her Press in Florida

and she used that attention to manipulate Floridians with her "I'm the only one who really cares about your vote being counted" spiel.

[MonkeyFunk]

50. She held no press conferences

and had no public appearances. The pledge said absolutely nothing about a timeframe within which fundraisers were OK or not OK. You're stretching.

[JackORoses]

54. She was in the News down there, regardless

You know exactly why those fundraisers were scheduled when they were.
You're ignoring.

This is why Hillarites have a reputation for playing dumb.
They see the bad things their candidate does, but they choose to overlook them.

[MonkeyFunk]

57. She didn't do a bad thing

She obeyed the pledge to the letter. Your guy did not. cope.

[flyarm]

38. i call bullshit..please use facts or stfu!! eom

[11 Bravo]

13. "to be fair" ... Sorry, this is GD:Primaries. Check your fairness at the door.

[LSK]

20. yeah, stop spoiling the fun

:rofl:

[southern_dem]

21. sorry

I'm still a newb. :dunce:

[rinsd]

9. The pledge specifically excluded fundraising events from the list of prohibited activities.

[TexasObserver]

10. The HRC stands for "Hook 'R Crook" which is how she does it.

[MaineDem]

11. No, the rules specifically allow fundraising. n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

15. and I do believe he ran ads in Florida....

gheesh...grow up.

[Yossariant]

17. This sure was:

Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

Obama and others have pledged not to campaign in Florida until the Jan. 29 primary except for fundraising, which is what he was doing in Tampa.

But after the fundraiser at the Hyde Park home of Tom and Linda Scarritt, Obama crossed the street to take half a dozen questions from reporters waiting there.

The pledge covers anything referred to in Democratic National Committee rules as "campaigning," and those include "holding news conferences."

Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again."
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

:bounce:

[LSK]

22. Im sure the Floridians were infuenced by his appearance half a year ago

And didnt Hillary have a full blown event after the primary??? When did the statues of limitations expire?

[Yossariant]

Oh! The "They're too dumb to remember" defense.

Speaks well for your guy.

[MonkeyFunk]

Once the primary occurred

the pledge was over. There was nothing at all saying candidates couldn't appear in Florida AFTER the primary.

[boston bean]

27. So OBAMA DID WANT FL DELEGATES SEATED?

"Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it."

[Yossariant]

30. Well yes, but that was before Clinton won Florida. He flip-flopped after she won.

[flyarm]

40. you bet he did!! eom

[flyarm]

59. yes Obama said he wanted the Fla delegates seated ..if he was the nominee...funny how the obama

supporters ignore that little fact..when they are pissing out propaganda!!

fly

[flyarm]

18. Obama came into fla to fund raise also..so did John Edwards.,..no that was not campaigning

according to the rules they could come into Fla for fund raising..they could not actively campaign.

fly

[elixir]

19. No, read the pledge text below:

THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008). Campaigning shall include but is not limited to purchasing media or campaign advocacy of any kind, attending or hosting events of more than 200 people to promote one’s candidacy for a preference primary and employing staff in the state in question. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.

Sounds like Obama broke this pledge when he ran a TV ad.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Nope

neither was it when Obama did it in November and Michelle Obama did it in December.

[flyarm]

35. the ink wasn't dry on the DNC ruling and THIS is what obama did...

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

Barack Obama held an impromptu news conference after a Tampa fundraiser Sunday.


By WILLIAM MARCH and ELAINE SILVESTRINI The Tampa Tribune

Published: September 30, 2007

Fundraising Totals | Primary States | Where They Stand

TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.

Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

Obama and others have pledged not to campaign in Florida until the Jan. 29 primary except for fundraising, which is what he was doing in Tampa.

But after the fundraiser at the Hyde Park home of Tom and Linda Scarritt, Obama crossed the street to take half a dozen questions from reporters waiting there.

The pledge covers anything referred to in Democratic National Committee rules as "campaigning," and those include "holding news conferences."

Obama seemed unaware the pledge he signed prohibits news conferences. Asked whether he was violating it, he said, "I was just doing you guys a favor. … If that's the case, then we won't do it again."



does the op eat crow much????????

fly

[ElsewheresDaughter]

63. flyarm...THIS DESERVES IT'S OWN THREAD!-

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. Hillary's fundraisers were AFTER the polls had CLOSED.....keyword being "tonight"

[MonkeyFunk]

62. No

she had a fundraiser a few days before the Primary. Obama had one that he attended, and his wife attended one, too.

Clinton had a rally after the polls closed.

All of which was perfectly OK according to the pledge.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

64. ahh okay...but the post above "Obama held a news conference Sunday 'I will seat delegates'"