Wisconsin Govenor calls Hillary Clinton a Hypocrite

[RoadRage]

From USATODAY: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/02/now-clinton-is.html

Clinton accuses Obama of 'false attacks;' Gov. says she's a hypocrite

Update at 4:55 p.m. ET. An Obama campaign response:

The Obama campaign just put Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle on the phone with reporters.

He called Clinton's allegations "false and negative attacks" and said that for her to "somehow criticize (Obama) for not being straight with the people of Wisconsin" is wrong.

"The fact is, Sen. Clinton has not even been in Wisconsin yet," Doyle said. "She has not reached out to the voters of Wisconsin except through these ads. ... He has been here day after day in community after community across the state."

Doyle also said Clinton is guilty of "hypocrisy" with her allegations.


5:15 p.m. ET: Since this post was first published at 3:05 p.m. ET, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has weighed in to accuse Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of "hypocrisy" when her campaign says that Sen. Barack Obama (whom Doyle supports) isn't willing to reach out to Wisconsin voters. Read through to see how the story has developed.


The original headline on this post: "Now Clinton is accusing Obama of 'false attacks' "

First Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign said in a TV ad that Democratic rival Barack Obama would "prefer to give speeches" rather than debate her in Wisconsin.

Then Obama's campaign released a Wisconsin ad of its own that accused Clinton of leveling "phony charges and false attacks" in her commercial. It pointed out that they have already debated 18 times and have two more scheduled in coming weeks.

Now the Clinton team has slapped the ball back into Obama's court with another ad that's going on the air in Wisconsin. This one says it's Obama who's guilty of "hiding behind false attack ads."

Back to you, team Obama.

And hang in there, Wisconsin voters. Your primary is Tuesday.

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. kick for Gov. Doyle & Sen. Obama..........n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

84. I expect Hillary is in Texas when she should have been in Wisconsin

what sort of message is that to the people of Wisconsin?

Just like the bird flew the coup from South Carolina when she was zipping around in CA and NY instead?

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. this doesn't bode well for her in the GE. I heard on KO tonight

that Mark Penn is on record as saying that Hillary is winning the states that matter? WTF? In his attempt to downplay Obama's 22 victories to her 11, he is saying to the voters of these flyover states that they don't matter? Very strange strategy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

96. She has to sweep TX, Ohio, PA to win, not a few %

[RazBerryBeret]

117. from a buckeye....

I'm keeping my fingers crossed (no sweep for Hil) in Ohio!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

125. The Clinton "Big States Only" campaign results in GOP Congress

I don't know if that is perhaps the real goal of the DLC, but
the DLC hates Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy.

Seems to me that WE don't benefit from having a repig congress.

Seems to me that the Clintons only care about their political glory.

[krkaufman]

129. Yep. I read some post or article recently discussing how the Clinton strategy ...

... is a reflection of their rejection of Dean's 50 State Strategy and a return to their big states/big cities approach -- <sarcasm> that worked so well for the Democrats up until Dean's strategy was implemented. </sarcasm> It also demonstrates how Hillary Clinton, as a GE candidate, will be of less help to downticket races, since she appears to not be interested in much beyond focusing on increasing core support in a few large population states.

It's like her campaign is unaware that Bill Clinton only won in 1992 because of Ross Perot's siphoning of votes from Bush I.

[Egnever]

2. Thats pretty strong language

Coming from the governor. It also devastates her argument of Obama not being willing to face the WI voters.

WI doesn't matter though according to Clinton and now I guess neither does Ohio

[RoadRage]

6. Yup.. and it's totally A C C U R A T E!

She has the balls to say he doesn't care about the voters, yet he's been living there for the past week. Hillary hasn't made the state important enough to even step foot there... so she'll just run a few negative ads, and hope no one notices that she's actually in Texas, firewalling.

Wow.. and people really don't understand why so many people don't like her? Negative Hypocrisy.. that's why.

[elixir]

62. Yeh, and your totally E X A G E R A T I N G. He didn't use "hypocrisy".

Why don't you talk about the robo calls that have been made to members of the Black Congressional Caucus that support Hillary. They've received robocalls - Cleaver and Lewis - pressuring them to switch to Obama. Nice politics.

[Cha]

13. Wonder whose brilliant idea

that was..to say Obama "isn't willing to reach out to Wisconsin voters"? When she hasn't even been there?

Just how disingenous does it get? How deep does it get?

[MonkeyFunk]

36. if the headline were right

yes, it would be strong language. But saying someone is guilty of hypocrisy is not exactly the same as calling someone a hypocrite.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

43. True.

But I'm not sure the alternative is much better. :shrug:

[JackORoses]

45. wrong again. a Hypocrite is someone who practices the art of Hypocrisy

That is exactly what Hillary is.

She accuses Obama of not facing the people of WI while she is in TX.

Where is Obama? WI, of course.

[MonkeyFunk]

72. There's a difference

between saying you're engaging in hypocrisy and you're a hypocrite.

If you can't see it, then I can't educate you at this late stage.

And of course, I can find many examples where I think ANY candidate has engaged in hypocrisy, including Obama. They're politicians.

[ORDem]

103. If you can't explain it then it's in your mind. Looks like a difference

without a distinction to me. Certainly not a distinction WI voters are going to make.

:dem:

[JackORoses]

106. another Hillarite creed 'Don't blame her, all politicians do it'. What a low standard.

[RoadRage]

107. Totally agree...

I think that's what ticks Clinton supporters off more then anything.. every time their girl gets dirty, Obama keeps his hands clean and continues to shake more of them in each state he goes to.

If Hillary would focus on actually doing the job - meeting people, and convincing them why to vote for her instead of sliming anyone in her path - she'd probably still be leading this race.

[D23MIURG23]

134. Not according to my dictionary

If he is saying that she is acting hypocritically in this situation then he is saying she is a hypocrite in this situation.

There is no clause in the definition of the word "hypocrite" that stipulates that the word must apply only to those engaging in multiple acts of hypocrisy (see below).

hypocrite

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
— hypocrite adjective
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite


Therefore you can justifiably say that the Gov. of Wisconsin called HRC a Hypocrite.

[pbca]

136. Yeah like theres a difference between

saying someone is guilty of murder and calling them a murderer
or
saying someone is guilty of theft and calling them a thief

huge difference, can't explain it though because everyone else is too dumb to understand :sarcasm:

[Debi]

3. 3....2.....1...

Clinton supporters call Doyle a sexist for calling her on her bullshit

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE


:eyes:

[Nedsdag]

41. The "sexist" meme IS bullshit.

It's time to call her on it and I'm a woman. I'm sick of the "sexism" meme.

[Debi]

61. Oh, man, you're buying trouble with your post

the 'victim posse' is all over me on another thread :eyes:

[Nedsdag]

68. Screw them!

I'm sick of their bs.

They know their candidate is in a weakened position. It doesn't matter the sex of the opponent.

[IndianaGreen]

55. Clintonistas resort to same tactics as those that accuse us of being "self-hating" Jews

simply because we support the Israeli peace movement.

[rodeodance]

64. Why do you RW slime to describe Sen. Clinton?

[IndianaGreen]

110. There is no sliming from the Left when it comes to the Clintons

We supported Bill during his self-inflicted impeachment problems. Bill and his wife repaid us with NAFTA, DOMA, DADT, 1996 Telecom Act which gave us the media concentration mess we got today. In addition, Hillary has been a rubber stamp for everything the Left hates, from support for Israel's apartheid of Palestinians, to Israel's criminal bombing of Lebanon's cities and towns, to support for wars in Iraq and Iran, to support for dictatorial powers to Bush. To top it all off, Hillary joined the GOP in sliming John Kerry on his failed joke to a college audience, and she opposed Kerry's Alito filibuster and troop withdrawal resolution.

Your side is reduced to brownshirt tactics because you can't defend your evil queen on the merits of the argument.

[apocalypsehow]

145. I wish we could recommend individual posts - that is excellent! And exactly right.

:thumbsup:

[ekwhite]

149. I was with you until the 'evil queen' remark

By the way, I'm an Edwards supporter who voted for Obama on Super Tuesday.

I agree that Senator Clinton's record is Republican lite, and agree that Bill Clinton supported a lot of very bad things like NAFTA and the Telecom Act. I do not support Sen. Clinton, but do we really need the 'evil queen' remark? That is just as bad as the 'cult of Obama' thing.

Let's face it, they are both centrists, with similar records in the Senate. I support Sen. Obama because of his initial opposition to the Iraq war, and because I feel he has the best chance of beating John McCain in November.

I am getting so sick of Obama bashing and Clinton bashing. At the rate it's going, I may have to vote Green this year.

[WildEyedLiberal]

133. "LEAVE HILLARY ALONE"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Priceless

[cottonseed]

4. Trickle down versus ground up campaigning.

"The fact is, Sen. Clinton has not even been in Wisconsin yet," Doyle said. "She has not reached out to the voters of Wisconsin except through these ads. ... He has been here day after day in community after community across the state."

That's why Obama's winning. The Clinton's top down approach worked fine early and in the big states. When you're name is Clinton and you've been paraded around as the presumptive nominee for a year, you'll do well. In every single state thereafter, in which the voters have had a chance to actually listen to the candidates, Obama has won and won handily.

Her ads won't work, and it won't work when people get to hear her message. I just don't see how this thing's still considered a race.

[XemaSab]

18. It just occurred to me a minute ago

that if Obama gets the presidency he'll be VERY unlikely to leave any states behind.

You think he won't remember that Idaho gave him a MASSIVE victory, or that he was greeted with overwhelming support in Nebraska? :shrug:

I feel like we're at the dawn of a new age in politics. :D

[Divernan]

111. Leave No State Behind! - And he really means it.

nt

[cottonseed]

119. Grabbing states.

Thanks for the thoughts XemaSab. I think this just might be that 50 state strategy I've been hearing about for so long. It's been killing me to see that wide red swath across the middle of the US the last two elections. Those can and should be swooped up.

[RazBerryBeret]

116. just like the old saying...

a fish rots from the head down...

good post, thanks.

[Renew Deal]

5. Hopeless Hillary the Hypocrite is at it again.

She'll say anything to win.

[Moh96]

7. great finally people are realizing her F**** UP tactics

[NJObamaWoman]

16. who is that in the pic?

He's kinda hot :loveya:

[Cha]

22. Really! But, he

has a brain, too. :)

[Moh96]

95. That is me, Thank u for the compliment.

[Kahuna]

122. Hubba hubba...

:smoke:

[Moh96]

151. dam your cat looks exactly like my old cat

[Cha]

19. Well, it looks like

you just started...Welcome Aboard the DU!

[Thrill]

8. I'm so happy. He went after her on these nasty tactics

[rodeodance]

75. yeah big of him.

[K Gardner]

9. The Clintons still just do not seem to understand that this isn't the 90s, we won't be fooled or

subjugated under their barrage of Rovian tactics, that we WILL counter every piece of garbage they throw at us and that the people are sick and freaking tired of this. I can't wait for the People to speak on Tuesday. Too bad they still won't listen.. and Wisconsin won't count.

[PetraPooh]

78. "Rovian tactics" is the perfect terminology with all its ugliness.

[LiberalFighter]

142. How do you know that Obama isn't fooling or subjugating you?

[RoadRage]

10. Where are the Clinton supporters to defend this? Seriously - why is this OK?

Why is it alright for her to go on the attack with a negative (and false) ad about Obama, while he's spending the time working his ASS of in this state? He could be running to OH & TX too - he knows how important those states are for him, to win this campaign. But, he also realizes that it's important to cover the "little guy" states.. and he's sticking with that approach.

And he didnt' START the negative ads. Hillary did. WHY IS THIS OK? WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A CANDIDATE WHO DOES THIS?

[Divernan]

112. Her supporters follow this philosophy.

Though it is increasingly unlikely, Clinton may still have a path to the nomination -- and what a path it is. She merely has to puncture the balloon of Democratic idealism; sully the character of a good man; feed racial tensions within her party; then eke out a win with the support of unelected superdelegates, thwarting the hopes of millions of new voters who would see an inspiring young man defeated by backroom arm-twisting and arcane party rules. Unlikely -- but it would be a fitting contribution to the Clinton legacy of monumental selfishness.

[sundancekid]

128. inconvenient truths ALWAYS bring out crickets from Hillaryland - what a shame,

especially for our nation and for the state of our democracy ...

p.s. good on the Wisconsin GUV, and you go, cheeseheads - bring it on home for Obama

[goodhue]

11. Jim Doyle is a smart guy

Generally knows what he is talking about

[LiberalFighter]

143. And the consequences if Obama doesn't receive the nomination?

Not exactly a good move on his part.

[goodhue]

155. If Hillary is nominee, she will exact payback?

I would expect better of her, but in any event she is not likely to be the nominee IMHO

[MadBadger]

12. Thank you Governor Doyle!

[Cha]

23. WooHooo...Da Best

coming from your Guv..how really cool is that? It's actually mind blowing from my vantage point!

[bunnies]

14. "hiding behind false attack ads" ????

Camp Clinton thinks WI voters are stupid. Keep going negative Hillary. It suits you.

[TexasObserver]

15. "Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has weighed in to accuse Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of hypocrisy"

And he joins a long, long list who have learned just how dishonest Her Royal Clintoness is.

[Yael]

17. This is spectacular

:popcorn:

The candidate that doesn't like to hear bad news is going to have a rude awakening soon. Her brand of politics (not the Democratic label) is what is going to decide this thing -- and not in her favor. People are sick of the divisiveness.

[AtomicKitten]

20. That's what I call a smackdown.

w00t

[tammywammy]

21. lol

[DemGa]

24. Obama IS "hiding behind false attack ads."

He's repeatedly validated the right-wing attacks on Hillary for his gain -- A sad, sad betrayal.

[cottonseed]

25. He is a truth teller.

I don't see anything here that isn't factual. I see photocopies of flyers stating the obvious, he's winning and he's winning big.

[DemGa]

31. .......

He validates the right-wing attack machine by using it against Hillary -- that is a betrayal. It's like blaming a rape victim -- I don't know how to make it any more clear.

[RoadRage]

99. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??

Hillary slams him for disengaging the people of Wisconsin because he won't give her the 21st friggin debate, he calls her on it while campaigning through the "small states" where no one else ever seems to go, the Govenor of that state calls her on her BS, and HE'S USING AN ATTACK MACHINE? Are you kidding? He's standing up for himself (something that Clinton supporters are quick to call him on as soon as he doesn't indicating he's then WEAK), and that's all he's doing.

Seriously - this one is tough to spin.. i'm enjoying the creativity.

[ORDem]

105. Me, too. I don't get what you're talking about. Why don't you

try explaining it to us dunder-heads?

:eyes:

[Yael]

114. Hillary's failed campaign strategy now makes her akin to a rape victim?

Oh. Dear. Lord.

:rofl:

[RazBerryBeret]

118. ummmm..

but a rape victim was raped...
what happened to Hillary, did I miss something?

[D23MIURG23]

137. She was denied a coronation.

You are very sexist for not realizing the victimization that constitutes. You must be drinking lots of kool aid and listening to Rush.

:rofl:

[Kahuna]

124. Hillary is always the "victim." I'm tired of the Clinton soap opera already..,

I can't wait until the primaries are over and they are gone and hopefully forgotten.

[cottonseed]

138. Looks like you do need to make it more clear.

You lost me at rape. Actually, you lost me at validates. From the number of comments on this post, I'm not alone.

[apocalypsehow]

147. "like blaming a rape victim"? Oh, good lord - I've truly seen it all.

The absurd analogy would be laughable were it not so offensive to genuine victims of violence, sexual battery, and rape. :thumbsdown:

:eyes:

[donheld]

150. Your and idiot!

[awaysidetraveler]

30. A betrayal? No, Obama's had to defend himself against numerous attacks, none false.

Hillary used repeated negative tactics against Obama. She's used everything from "he wasn't against the war" to
he's pro-life.

Those are the supposed "false attacks," but they're easy to verify and they've been widely disseminated over the internet.

You're mistaken here.

[DemGa]

34. Betrayal

You didn't address Obama's validation of the right-wing attack machine -- by using the effects of those attacks against Hillary.

And I'll add, Karl Rove could not do it dirtier.

[D23MIURG23]

139. What specifics do you have that can touch Rove?

Im sick of HRC supporters evoking him without any specifics.

Rove had purple heart band-aids distributed at the RNC to slander Kerry's millitary service. What do you have that can touch that?

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. especially when you consider that Obama has had to run against

both Clintons. Obama said it best when he said that sometimes it's hard to know which Clinton he's running against. And they've both lied about him, which is why the Big Dog is on the down-low.

[rodeodance]

57. I am with you on that one--But the SWOONed are blind-faithers.

[DemGa]

66. It's a shame

I hate to have to break the hard truth to them -- But this is a dirty game Obama is playing.

[rodeodance]

74. yes it is. yes it is.

[catgirl]

141. I see no right wing attacks here

Hillary owns her baggage. Don't blame others.

[Maribelle]

26. This can only be good for Hillary. Wisconsin gave their governor a 41% approval rating 6 months ago

He is really not well liked there.

[democrattotheend]

27. 41% of Democrats? Or all voters?

If it's 41% of all voters, his positives are probably much higher among Democratic primary voters, if that 41% includes Republicans.

[Maribelle]

44. Wisconsin's primary is open n/t

[MadBadger]

28. That includes Republicans

[Maribelle]

47. Includes all adults. And on 12/18/07 it was 39%

[Maribelle]

67. Since 5/10/05 his approval has only gone above 50% in 2 months

[Maribelle]

70. The last time his approval was above 49% was 11/12/06

[rodeodance]

92. yes, like I said--half like him half not.

[blm]

29. Yeah and Jackson Stephens is a patriot and deserved Bill Clinton's protection

throughout the 90s......Yeah....we GET how you think.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. surely you don't want to get into the minutiae of favorability...

vs. unfavorability in the same breath as HRC. You are so disingenuous in your criticisms, could you possibly provide a link to said poll? Would be nice to know if this reflects Dem primary voters or all voters?

[Maribelle]

40. I'm disingenuous? Sugar, I couldn't be more serious.

What ever are your going on about now?

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. you made the claim that Doyle's approval rating was 41%...

simply asking for backup, but I can understand if you just pulled those numbers out of your a**, you might not want to direct folks to your source.

The question remains, is that approval rating for Dems or Dems & Repubs?

[Maribelle]

63. You spit out a personal attack against me, then you have the audacity to make me do your homework

Fat chance, hero.

[Tarheel_Dem]

93. my, my....you're really quick with the insults, but still no proof of

the allegation you made. And I call that "disingenuous". Fudging the facts to plump up your argument? I still say that if you throw out an accusation, the burden of proof lies with you. I maintain that if you can't provide backup, then should either clarify or retract. That simple.

[rodeodance]

53. He had to promise this would his last term if re-elected.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

126. do you just make up shit or can you document it?

please do provide documentation - hot air just isn't enough.

[LiberalFighter]

146. Maybe 41% now but when the Republicans figure out their candidate

will it still be too low to lose?

[Straight Shooter]

32. Doyle, good ol' Huckabee's friend

"MADISON, Wis. (AP) - Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle plans to vote for Barack Obama but first he's going to chat with Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.

Doyle and Huckabee know each other from when Huckabee was governor of Arkansas.

Both Doyle and Huckabee were in the same downtown Madison hotel for separate events on Thursday. Doyle says they are friends and he hopes to find time to meet.

Their staffs were attempting to arrange a meeting after Huckabee addresses about 300 supporters."

http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp?s=7872357

So, Doyle considers Huckabee a friend, the Huckabee who, upon pressure from Clinton-hating Arkansas residents, became Wayne DuMond's Patron Saint of Pardons and Paroles.

I consider Doyle's ability to assess character somewhat lacking. Or maybe he's just playing politics as usual and his words don't really matter because, after all, it's just a game to those in power.

[ellisonz]

39. Are you attacking Stephen Colbert too?

:P

[Straight Shooter]

65. Who?

:P

[madrchsod]

56. don`t vote for him when he`s up for election

if you think he`s a sell out...

[rodeodance]

87. he butters both sides of his break.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Well, I'd Respect Obama A Bit More If He Wasn't Hiding Behind A Governor To Do The Attacks.

Something that strong, he probably should've said himself.

[Barack_America]

38. *cough*Bill Clinton*cough*

Exactly who lets somebody else act as their "attack dog"?

Lol!

[Hav]

49. .

Why should he? He doesn't need to go negative. His calm response to Hillary Clinton's ad was almost perfect.

Another point, I'm not talking about the legitimacy of her claims or about this issue about the debates, but what I don't get is that Obama's ad was a a direct response to Clinton's ad. And then Clinton responds with "Obama uses (false) attack ads"...just doesn't sound like smart campaigning.

[RoadRage]

100. Somehow I think that Obama could hand out $100 bills to homeless people from

his own bank account, save a couple of kids from a burning building, and arrange world peace in 24 hours - and you still wouldn't respect him "any more". :eyes:

[Yael]

115. Indeed. And she should yell more

:thumbsup:

[Matteon]

132. This implies...

...that Obama had a hand in it. I see no reason to believe that. It appears that Gov. Doyle spoke out on his own valition. Even if his goal is to help Obama win Wisconsin it still isn't accurate to say Obama is hiding behind the governor unless Obama put him up to it.

[alteredstate]

42. Wait 'til the video of Bill asking WI voters to "vote for me" hits the Internet

eom

[JackORoses]

51. where is that video? inquiring minds want to know

[alteredstate]

58. I heard it on the radio

but haven't seen it online yet.

[nomorewhopper]

46. "The fact is, Sen. Clinton has not even been in Wisconsin yet," Doyle said ***OUCH***

honestly, because that's what it's all about. one candidate is making a legit effort to get to know the voters and discuss the issues with them directly.


the other wants to run negative advertisements against her own party, and insult the voters in the process.

hillary will be destroyed in wisconsin. if it was close, the spread will grow. mark my words.

[RoadRage]

101. As it should... the fact that 1/2 of the people on this board defend this tactic is sick.

"WE HATE IT WHEN BUSH DOES IT... WE HATE IT WHEN REPUGS DO IT... IT'S TOTALLY OK IF HILLARY DOES IT BECAUSE SHE'S MY CANDIDATE".

Geez, if one Clinton supporter got on here and said "I'm still voting for her, I like her for x,y & z reasons, however - I think she's being an idiot with her campaign strategy and she shouldn't have done this and now it's gonna bite her in the ass"..

Well, i'd respect 'em and give 'em a Heart!

[rodeodance]

48. Oh Jimmy--you just are projecting what so many WI residents call you. ha ha

[madrchsod]

60. i take it you are not voting for doyle when he`s up for election

you guys up there want our governor?....:rofl:

[rodeodance]

69. he has let lots of people down--did not stand up when Dems in Leg. tried to

get health care passed here. he did but it was weak. that was the latest straw for many.


where are you?

[madrchsod]

77. 100 miles south in dixon illinois-1hr and 15 minutes away

madison /wisconsin has been my home away from home for 40 some years..my son moved to janesville this year so i`m spending more time up there this year..madison is like a breath of fresh air when one lives in the hometown of ronny reagan.


did`t know doyle was that weak but our guy down here is just about as bad..

[madrchsod]

50. i guess mr doyle has had it with hillary

not a good idea to piss off the democratic governor before the primary....dig a little deeper in the well hillary...

[rodeodance]

90. not to worry--he is on his last leg anyway.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

52. maybe she isn't really trying to get elected - considering all of the blunders

maybe this whole thing is a sham, I mean who could run a more offensive campaign than
Hillary Clinton is right now?

Her video -OMG that is so bad, and now Bill is out on the trail, pissing off more democrats.

Its amazing that all she does is remind us of how much crap a Clinton Presidency will bring.

[PetraPooh]

80. You suppose? It would certainly explain a few things. I'm thinking

it would at least be more "considerate" to make this assumption, than the one I have been making which is that she's just like Bush was in 2000.

[elixir]

59. Sounds like a circumspect statement about the "hypocrisy" - he doesn't use that word. you lied.

[RoadRage]

102. Umm.. no. People who practice hypocrisy are hypocrites.

Seriously.. if THIS is how Clinton supporters are going to "defend" this one.. good luck.

"Well, the OP was not very favorable to my candidate.. and the facts are the facts, and Hillary does sort of look like an idiot. Crap.. what do I do.. what do I do.. OH! Hey.. the word used was actually hypocrisy not hypocrite - those are totally different.. i'll accuse the OP of big fat huge LIE instead, because that will throw people off the track of the dirty politics my candidate is using. Man, i'm so smart!"

:eyes:

[D23MIURG23]

140. Here, refresh your memory:

Since this post was first published at 3:05 p.m. ET, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle has weighed in to accuse Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of "hypocrisy" when her campaign says that Sen. Barack Obama (whom Doyle supports) isn't willing to reach out to Wisconsin voters. Read through to see how the story has developed.

Doyle also said Clinton is guilty of "hypocrisy" with her allegations

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/02/now-clinton-is.html

[my3boyz]

71. Hahahaha..Now you know the governor's words will be

all over the news tonight. She is such a stupid witch (want to substitute a b for the w but I will control the urge...).

[rodeodance]

73. Doyle complains a lot (outside of this incident)--He is ticked off that Hillary took Obama

to task. ha ha

[Maribelle]

76. lol Maybe Hillary is better off with his tirade going on against her.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollTrack.aspx?g=f39a977e-7799-4009-ac89-698bbc1c2429

[Renew Deal]

79. 65% approval with Democrats

Obama only needs 50.00001%

[Maribelle]

81. Wisconsin's primary is open

[Renew Deal]

82. I know.

:D

[Tarheel_Dem]

94. so much the better for Obama.....n/t

:evilgrin:

[Laelth]

108. That's a nice, detailed poll.

Looks like Doyle has enjoyed overall approval (more approve than disapprove) for more than a year. Democrats, on the other hand, generally disapprove. Doyle hasn't enjoyed overall approval from Democrats since at least May of 2005. That's as far back as the poll goes.

If I'm reading the thing correctly ...

-Laelth

[oasis]

83. When Dipshit Doyle was asked by Chris Matthews to name the accomplishments of Obama,

there was a looooong pause before Doyle finally came up with "ethics reform".:dunce:

[rodeodance]

85. Just heard him on WI Pub TV--about this issue. He did not use the word

hypocracy. wonder if he got heat for doing it?


He did not say much other that what is above.

was critical of Hillary but i do not recall him talking of any specifics about o. policies

[oasis]

98. On "Hardball" Doyle was too wrapped up in his praise of Obama to throw

any daggers at Hillary.

[rodeodance]

104. Doyle is SWOONED up to his nose.

[rodeodance]

86. When did this happen? did he have an interview?

[oasis]

97. Yesterday on Hardball.

[Major Hogwash]

89. Someone needs to tell Bubba to sit down and shut up.

He's going to wind up divorced if he doesn't.

We wouldn't want that to happen, would we?

LoL

[Hill_YesWeWill]

91. WOW, Jim Doyle you are my hero

I'm glad he said something about her not even being there yet, I just don't understand why she thought people wouldn't notice!

[TalkAgain]

109. Nice

[WYObama]

113. Hah!

On which issue? There's so many to choose from.

[zulchzulu]

120. It takes a lot for Jim Doyle to get pissed...and he is rightfully pissed

Hillary hasn't stepped her feet in Wisconsin yet whines that Obama won't debate her...after 18 debates and 2 on the way.

She, like her husband, prove once again that they are full of shit.

[intaglio]

121. I see the slimers Rodeodance and DemGa have been let out

Who do they remind me of? Violet Elizabeth Bott http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_William

[trthnd4jstc]

123. Hillary is Losing, hence the Desparation

Once again, desparation creates extremism. This is why we need to take care of the whole. I feel bad for Sen. Clinton, unless something terrible happens, Sen. Obama will be our candidate, yet Rep. Kucinech represents my ideas more, I have backed Obama, since I thought he was more electable.

[David Zephyr]

127. The Clintons and their ever-spiraling downward campaign need to call it quits.

Who within the Clintons inner circles will tell them that their comments about "insignificant states" and their continued impulsive need to resort to nastiness is destroying any goodwill all Americans once had for them.

[ACanadianLiberal]

130. Not debate =/= not reach out

Also true, complaining Obama not debating and prefering to give speech and herself not campaining in WI =/= Hillary being hypocrisy. Working with logic first before those hatred-filled punch lines. Unite, Democrats!

[ZinZen]

131. This reeks of Clinton desperation

[cloud75]

135. He is a weak debater that is why he won't debate. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

152. and why should he? hillary's in no position to make demands at

this point. and that's a very uncomfortable position for her and her supporters. sorry.......

[RoadRage]

153. No.. he debates plenty - he's just not at Clinton's beck & call...

22 Debates after this week isn't enough? But 23 or 24 debates will really clear things up?

No, this is pandering by the Clinton camp because they're out of cash.

[From The Left]

144. Hillary's Harpies Will Denounce WI Governor Now

I predict Obama will hand Hillary's ass to her in Wisconsin by 8 points.

[LordJFT]

148. thank you Gov. Doyle for pointing out the truth

[TexasObserver]

154. Hillary's lying ways got exposed in Wisconsin. Oh, she wants debates, spent 8 hours there.

For all her whining, she barely passed through Wisconsin long enough to give her speech.