If and when Clinton loses Wisconsin or Hawaii on 2/19

[Hawkeye-X]

Will she still go on, or completely concede everything? Obama will be winning both states by 21%+ (and you can bookmark this thread and check my predictions later). Since the pledged delegates continue to pile, the superdelegates has already begin turn around and going to Obama, and that is of my opinion that Hillary Clinton's campaign is in critical condition and the paddles are already being cranked to 500 joules and the campaign isn't responding...

Hawkeye-X

[jackson_dem]

1. 21%? He leads by only 4-5% in Wisconsin in every poll

Hawaii is his home state so he should romp there. Everyone expects it.

[Hawkeye-X]

3. Well, let me tell you a little story about polls, friend..

POLLS DOESN'T MEAN SHIT UNTIL THE VOTERS HAVE SAID THEIR ANSWERS!

*kaff*

[grantcart]

5. no need to shout friend

[jackson_dem]

10. That's my point. He is much more likely to lose than win big

[elixir]

15. You don't have to shout. Why don' ou show some patience instead of making rash predictions.

[rug]

46. Neither do GDP posts.

[rzemanfl]

12. From what I am hearing from our Wisconsin family and friends

the only people the pollsters are getting in touch with are the folks that aren't out shoveling snow, and those people won't be able to get out of their driveways on Tuesday anyway....

[Renew Deal]

22. What does that mean?

Does someone have an advantage?

[rzemanfl]

44. The pollsters don't have "own a snowblower/doesn't own one" in

their statistics, so who knows? Madison has gotten 83 inches of snow so far this winter with more on the way, so I think that the change candidate will have an advantage there.

[msongs]

2. remember when obamanistas screamed bloody murder? superdelegates could vote Clinton! gasp! nt

[saltpoint]

4. The Wisconsin polling has them much closer. Obama packed the Kohl

venue on Tuesday -- something between 17,000 and 20,000 or so -- not bad for a weeknight, IMO, and Senator Clinton is scheduled for a rally on Sunday evening, which from most weather maps will be an event attended by polar bears and caribou, as 6-plus inches of snow is likely to fall on Sunday.

I don't know what's going on in Hawaii, but my guess is they aren't going to have nearly as much snow this weekend as Wisconsin.

[Jackpine Radical]

17. 6" of snow isn't going to stop anybody.

A foot will admittedly slow things down in Wisconsin for a couple hours, but the sled dogs won't even notice another 6".

[saltpoint]

19. LOL! What do sled dogs eat, anyway -- Wisconsin bratwurst? And cheese?

It's going to be a wild scene down by the lake.

[Jackpine Radical]

24. In Wisconsin we don't have snowblowers.

We have Hundscheissewerefern.

(dogshit throwers)

[saltpoint]

26. but this snow, JR. The weather sites are saying ice as well as accumulating

snow.

That's going to make it dangerous for motorists.

The Great Lakes states surely do have hearty souls to withstand the winter months.

More power to 'em, and I hope everybody drives carefully.

[Jackpine Radical]

39. That ice stuff is forecast for down in the south. Like Milwaukee

or something. It has to get above freezing before you get ice.

One time I was walking down the street in Superior and I overheard this guy ask his friend, "My God, how long does winter last around here?" His friend said, "How the hell should I know? I only been here 26 months myself."

[saltpoint]

40. LOL!

Reminds me a bit of Mark Twain's comment after his trip to Sthe west coast. He said the coldest winter of his life was the summer he'd just spent in San Francisco.

[ellisonz]

6. They don't count.

:sarcasm:

[tandem5]

7. nicely said...

I don't really get what you're talking about, but still comma splicings, parenthetical citations, nice sentences with capital letters at the beginning...

[Bok_Tukalo]

8. When did Wisconsin become a slam dunk?

I thought it was close.

[Johnny__Motown]

9. Consistent 5% lead for Obama with about a 10% undecided, not a slam dunk

Although the Clinton campaign isn't devoting many resources to this contest. It would seem that their own polling is telling them something we don't know.


Everyone expects Obama to win both these contests. She has been looking past them for a week.

[jackson_dem]

11. They've been running ads there and came out with a new one today

[NJSecularist]

13. So has Obama

and he has actually showed up this week.

Unlike Hillary, who has specifically given the Wisconsin voters a big "Fuck you" by not showing up until the last minute.

[Cha]

16. And then there's that pesky

footnote of the Guv of Wisconsin calling hilary an "hypocrite".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4607968

[jackson_dem]

20. Ohio Lt. Gov. "dissappointed" Obama chose to introduce himself to Ohioans with a smear mailer

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/15/669642.aspx

[rodeodance]

29. Jimmy is a putz.

[elixir]

18. NJSecularist, you always have a colorful answer.

[Renew Deal]

23. Someone here said they haven't seen any Clinton ads in Green Bay

So I don't know what to think. They might have ads, but they might be more for pundit shows.

[rodeodance]

27. Wrong. Clintons health ads coming out of GB all week. New gen one about

others polices started running today also.

[Renew Deal]

47. Do you live there?

Because this guy does.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4606782&mesg_id=4607239

[rodeodance]

28. from a cheezehead-I agree with your message

[Bok_Tukalo]

14. It was my understanding that she was going to have a rally in WI

Is that incorrect? I know she has ads going.

[earthlover]

25. "a rally"... like, wow....wow... a rally... sigh....

good to see hillary expects to win a state with "a rally"

Hillary-ous

[saltpoint]

30. At the very least, she's got one on the docket for Sunday evening, on

Monona Terrace.

The weather forecast for Sunday is ice and snow, maybe 6" or more for parts of southern Wisconsin.

[Bok_Tukalo]

33. My point was she has decided to contest the state

Instead of thinking her internal polling is having her losing badly maybe it is telling her she has a chance and with all the crazy expectations games going on, even a close loss can change things. A win is New Hampshire all over again.

[saltpoint]

34. I'm sure she'd love to win in Wisconsin. The Sunday appearance is going

up against a winter storm for all of southern Wisconsin, so it could have a big impact on turnout at that venue.

The polling right now shows a close race.

[Bok_Tukalo]

35. I sort of watch political pornography shows like Hardball

... and most of the "roundtable" talk about the Clinton campaign said she should not wait until March 4th and should try to blunt the Obama momentum now. I think all that talk (probably in the real world if it reached the TEEVEE) has her making some effort in the state.

[saltpoint]

36. Possible. Also, she just switched campaign managers, and that may be

having some ripple effects, too.

Senator Clinton needs to phone up her Ivy League Alumni office and get an old English-major classmate or two to write some speeches for her. She is vulnerable on that count, IMO, under normal circumstances, nevermind against someone with Obama's orator's skill.

[rodeodance]

31. you bet she is. Monona Center.

[saltpoint]

32. Hi, rodeodance. What is the capacity of that center?

And what's with the weather, anyway?

[WilyWondr]

37. 3300

http://www.mononaterrace.com/convention/glance.html

Sunday Weather in Madison, WI

Looks like it is not going to be nice on Sunday, but no snow predicted for Tuesday.

[saltpoint]

38. Thank you for the info & links.

Agree -- the winter storm rolling in for Sunday has a mean-looking edge to it.

All clear for Tuesday.

[Renew Deal]

49. Freezing rain and ice.

That's the worst.

[bigtree]

21. because . . . the other states' voters and votes don't matter to Obama supporters?

[CalGator]

42. yep, it is Obama supporters saying 75% of states "don't matter"

:sarcasm:

[TexasObserver]

41. Hillary will declare any loss of under 20 points to be a "victory"

When a candidate has detached from reality, as Hillary has, they simply cannot process that they're getting their butt kicked. Her delusion is all she's got left.

[NMMatt]

43. At this rate...

She'll have Penn do a teleconference to declare herself president during Obama's inauguration next January.

[TalkAgain]

45. Lol

You are probably right

[Renew Deal]

48. While at the same time declaring Wisonsin is "insignificant."