Hillary Clinton: Losing Dirty to Keep Her Options Open

[dailykoff]

The Clintons are pretty clearly losing the '08 primaries, and yet they're still trying to break the rules they get can't changed (FL, MI) and running a 24/7 smear operation against Obama (TX).

Why? What possible benefit could there be in wasting money on this trainwreck other than keeping a Dem out of the White House like they did in '04 to clear the path for another run in four years?

Does anyone think Hillary has a ghost of a chance of winning in 2012 if she loses this nomination? I for one do not, but apparently the Clintons haven't gotten the memo. When have they ever?

:shrug:

[Carolina]

1. K&R

[dailykoff]

5. Thanks!

They may be hoping for a miracle but four years of McCain would be another nightmare.

[TexasObserver]

2. Are you trying to catch her riding dirty?

For those unfamiliar with Chamillionaire, perhaps this video with explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODdGhOOUOpI

The Weird Al Yankovic parody is funny as hell, too.

[dailykoff]

3. ha

thanks for that! :hi:

[rodeodance]

4. She requested the DNC to reconsider--NO rules broken as your OP says.

[dailykoff]

7. "It's not illegal unless they tell you so."

Look at the lawsuit they brought in Nevada against the very policy they'd spend a year crafting, and then look what happened in the caucuses. They will do what they can to change the rules (three posts a day anyone?) and then break whatever rules they think they can get away with.

[rodeodance]

9. Spot on!--no laws broken--

[dailykoff]

10. Obama lawyer Bob Bauer thinks otherwise.

Obama Files a Nevada Complaint
by Karen Tumulty, TIME
January 23, 2008

Obama lawyer Bob Bauer has now put forward the contentions in a formal complaint to the Nevada Democratic Party, in which he says the Clinton campaign closed voter registration and shut the doors to some of the caucuses at 11:30 a.m. and earlier, which was a half-hour or more before they were supposed to under caucus rules.

While stipulating that the Obama campaign does not intend to challenge the outcome on a precinct level, Bauer asks for an investigation and writes:

These reports suggest the possibility of activity conducted in violation of Party rules and the rights of voters—activity that, as the volume and distribution of those complaints indicate, may have been planned and coordinated with the willful intention to distort the process in the favor of one candidate, Senator Clinton.

A sheet of instructions provided by the Clinton campaign to its precinct works captures its program for the Caucus: "It's not illegal unless they {the temporary precinct chairs} tell you so." (See attachment). This certainly suggests that, for the Clinton campaign, the operative standard of conduct was, simply and only, what it could get away with. On the day of the Caucus, we received by phone reports of misconduct, violations of the rules and irregularities, in the hundreds. Since that time, well over a thousand more accounts have been sent to us.

link: http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obama_files_a_nevada_complaint.html

[fenriswolf]

19. is it really fair

to have bill clinton personally seating people into his wifes group? I dont know about you but if I was in nevada and bill clinton popped up in my face, shook my hand and said he and his wife needed my help it would be kind of hard for me to turn him down.

[my3boyz]

6. Editing my post because I thought you meant 2016. I got ahead of myself. LOL

Anyway, Hillary will be too old to run in 2016. If she does not win now, she wants a shot in 2012. If she loses, she will do everything in her power to sabotage Obama so she can try again in 4 years. I don't think the party will be behind her. Especially if she drags this out like she has promised to do even if she is not leading in delegates and does not have a realistic shot to ever catch up. I think the party will see this as tearing the party apart for your own political ambitions and will not support another run.

[dailykoff]

8. Laura would have better chance in 2016 frankly.

Or Babs. Still if the Dem loses in November they'll remain the ex-prom king and queen and could probably gin up enough half-hearted support to convince themselves they had a chance.

[IndianaGreen]

11. Hillary did join the GOP in sliming Kerry on a failed joke to a college audience

and there are questions surrounding Carville's role in the 2004 election.

The Clintons are as ruthless and shameless as the Bushes!

[my3boyz]

13. She did not want Kerry to run against her this year. She wanted the dems

to leave an open field for her because it was her turn. That is why she was so pissed when Obama decided to run.

[jmg257]

12. Are you saying her campaign is now "All hat & no cattle"? Opening up 2012 since this 1 is lost...

shoot - brilliant! And we thought she was just running a lousy campaign! Keep your latest manager Hill - he is genious!

(But you aren't getting any younger, ya know)

[dailykoff]

14. Certainly seems that way.

There's no way they can win this thing without 911-scale vote rigging and they've already gotten into trouble over NH and Nevada, so I think they know they can't pull it off. But since they're already running, why quit just because they're losing? "Don't stop thinkin' about tomorrow" is the Clinton theme song after all.

[psychopomp]

15. If she loses this one, she is finished

Every passing day and the Clintons see their political ambitions slipping further away from their fingertips.

[K Gardner]

16. Wow, hadn't thought of that. Also, don't forget their "silence"

during the stolen election of 2000. That was deafening and disappointing and a real eye-opener.

[dailykoff]

20. Yeah they were right behind Gore all the way

not.

[uberblonde]

17. Are you aware...

That she's running against a man who had all the other candidates in his state senate race bounced on petition technicalities?

If it's sauce for the goose, it's sauce for the gander, I say!

[dailykoff]

18. Not the GOP candidates.

They fled like rats because they knew they'd lose. Hillary should have done the same after Iowa but of course the Clintons play by their own rules.