Time to unify the Democrats to back Obama - now, even if it is early.

[Hawkeye-X]

I'm not kidding. There's already evidence that Hillary is not going to win Wisconsin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4616972

As Obama wins Wisconsin decisively on Tuesday, it is now less than 1% chance that Ms. Clinton will win the nomination. Don't give me the superdelegates bullshit because you and I know it won't happen. Once it is confirmed that Obama wins Hawaii and Wisconsin, it is now time to abandon the campaign of Hillary, whether or not she continues. At that point, Hillary will have to win 65% or more just to catch up with Obama in Texas, Ohio and the remaining states. You and I know it is not going to happen.

Any arguments with that? Even a recent poll shows that Obama is leading Texas at this point (ARG poll, I believe)

Hawkeye-X

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[K Gardner]

6. You're in the wrong forum then. We really don't need anymore of that here.

[floridablue]

2. Why would anyone want to do that?

You sound like "Mornin Joe" on MSNBC, or Tweety.

[GreenTea]

3. Nope can't stand either of the lying fucking moderates-FUCK them both!

[Taverner]

5. Then I guess you won't vote for anyone

Politicians, by their very nature, lie. Goes with the territory.

And if you don't lie, you don't win.

So cast your vote for Eugene Debs...he didn't lie. And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[GreenTea]

13. Yes I always vote democratic-I'm writing in my own name-I'll be the most liberal fuck getting a vote

I expect to receive about 6 or 12 votes from family and friends who are also sick of the two lying Dem moderate corporate phonies!

Maybe I'll win presidency...VOTE GreenTea!

[Taverner]

18. So I can blame you for President McCain then, right?

Because it will be YOUR FAULT and the fault of people like you, who are too stupid to realize this election is about more than sandbox tantrums.

[GreenTea]

20. No you'll be able to blame the two lying Dem assholes running as well as the

republican owned electronic voting machines which more than 85% of the people will vote with that are still in place....the republicans know how to steal elections and they are only getting better at it!!!

[Taverner]

26. Ahhh but they didn't waste their vote

You did.

And by doing so, you voted for 8 more years of GOP BS.

So I'm sorry, you can't do something and blame something else.

[Carrieyazel]

4. Why not wait until March 4? And Obama is nowhere near the 2,000 delegates he needs to clinch.

And Obama, even though he finally pulled ahead last week, has not pulled away, even in the pledged delegate count. Still only ahead by less than 1 percent of all pledged delegates.

[Hawkeye-X]

10. Ah, by the time he wins Hawaii & Wisconsin

More SD's will begin to abandon Clinton and go towards Obama. That's a momentum shift that even Clinton can't control, bully, threaten or harass into staying.

[VolcanoJen]

14. I think the SD's will wait until OH and TX to decide.

They'll have two solid weeks to talk amongst themselves and solidify their support.

On Wednesday, March 5th, the campaign will effectively end, one way or the other. I'm in Ohio working my ass off to help that eventuality, because I feel quite strongly that a big victory for Obama in the Buckeye State will get us on the healing track sooner instead of later.

I agree with you, Hawk, but just think they'll go ahead and let March 4th play out.

[Hawkeye-X]

21. I agree!

Just can't hurt to get started gathering support for Obama.

It'd be nice to see Hillary drop out in time for my birthday (3/5)

Hawkeye-X

[chimpymustgo]

7. Hawkeye, why not let this play out? Let the voters decide? Let Obama be VETTED a bit more?

I see a lot of rocks, unturned.

[LaPera]

8. Coukldn't care less....the republicans are all poised and ready to steal it again!

[Carrieyazel]

33. They're not going to need to steal it. McCain will be running a general campaign very soon

while Clinton and Obama fight till the death. This is not going to end soon for our side, the other side will be done in mere days.

[billyoc]

9. Can we count all the votes, just this one time?

:hi:

[Hawkeye-X]

11. We can.

Just have Hillary drop out, and see how many voters wants to remain for Hillary. If she is viable, she will still collect delegates (although, not by much)

[_Wayne_]

12. Hillary's leading in Texas, retard

[Yael]

19. He is still talking to the people who vote next (you know, rather than skipping them)

Texans are patient people. He will be there soon.

[chimpymustgo]

27. Oh God, he's started dressing up like a cowboy.

And I had shrugged off all those comparisons to *......

:scared:

[w13rd0]

15. "a" recent poll...

...there are others that show Clinton in the lead (re: Texas). I recall several months back, when I decided who I was backing, that the whole "projecting the air of inevitability" coming from the Clinton campaign was a real turnoff. I'd rather not do the same. I understand that it is a tactic, but come the GE, we will need the support of those who presently back Clinton. Now, granted, I think a fair number of them on this board are either bogus or paid/volunteer campaign staffers, but nonetheless, there are those that aren't, and I'd like to see them back the eventual Democratic nominee.

[niyad]

16. do you object to the democratic process? as in, let the VOTERS decide?

why would you wish to disenfranchise so many? afraid of competition?

[Hawkeye-X]

24. I don't wish to disenfranchise anyone

but the numbers are there - As Clinton continue to mount loss after losses (Expected to lose WI & HI) it's getting to a point where she is a point of no return and cannot lose any more - oh wait, SHE is at a point of no return right now. But I am willing to wait until 3/5 for Clinton to officially "suspend" her campaign.

Hawkeye-X

[earthside]

17. Agree.

The Democratic Party will be destroyed if its most reliable constituent group/voting block begins to believe that the Washington elite insiders have used heavy-handed tactics to wrestle away the nomination from Obama.

And since Clinton(s) cannot mathematically pull ahead with earned delegates after this Tuesday, twisting super delegate arms will be all that is left to them. That tactic, if successful, would tear the party to pieces.

So, yes, the time is upon us for Clinton(s) to begin her graceful exit.

[msongs]

22. ummm, obama IS A washington elite insider despite what his propaganda says nt

[Yael]

23. They are practicing the exit strategy in Wisconsin as we speak

Trying it on for size, if you will.

I think it will be over on the 4th, personally. I vote in April -- so we shall see!

[BlackVelvet04]

25. The arrogance flows downhill to his supporters, eh? n/t

[JimGinPA]

28. Do You Post Anything Other Than Flamebait?

Just wondering.

[BlackVelvet04]

30. as long as Obama supporters post their flamebait they get it back

in kind. Anyone that wants to have a discussion with me I have a discussion with. Bait me and you get it right back. I'm just better at it.

[JimGinPA]

36. No, You Flamed The OP For No Reason...

And I believe you think too highly of your own "witty" responses.

[BlackVelvet04]

37. and I care what you think, why? n/t

[kurth]

29. Time for Democrats to nominate Obama for a 2nd term - now, even if it is early

And time to repeal the 22nd Amendment for Obama while they're at it...

[BenDavid]

31. Obama should step back and throw his support to HRC. Hell,

we democrats had this election won until obama decided he needed to save us....Obama will be more like obambi if he gets the nod and the gop and the rnc begin their all out assault on him. Obama will not be able to fall back on this "they're playing the race card" and "the gop are race baiting". It might have worked with the media whores in dealying the hrc campaign but if obama is the nominee, he will go down for the count when teh first right hook is thrown by the gop....and when obama loses the only one to gain anything from this is obama as he will become the go to guy within the black community....but obama will have stopped the democrats holding the presidency for another 8 damn years....

I believe this is more about obama then it is about becoming president. As for being competent to take on the job as president obama is more bush 43 then he is clinton 42....

[K Gardner]

42. "We Democrats Had This Election Won" ??? Your Freudian Slip is showing.

[grasswire]

32. you know, this impatience is earning Obama a lot of negativity

It's immature and unseemly.

Just stop.

Just let the voters decide.

I, for one, am increasingly turned against Obama by it all.

And I am not a Hillary supporter.

But at least she isn't annoying me daily through her supporters.

[mondo joe]

34. No can do. I expect Obama to win. But he won't need my support, so we should be fine

with things as they stand.

[Donnachaidh]

35. so basically you're afraid of what the other primaries might bring?

Or are you advocating IGNORING people who might want to vote for someone else? Other people's opinions mean nothing to you? How terribly UN-American.

I smell DESPERATION in the OP post.

[incapsulated]

38. Buzz off

With your bullshit entitlement.

It doesn't make a single Clinton supporter want to join your Hope Brigade, it makes us want to puke.

[blues90]

39. Why in the hell should anyone just take your word for this crap ?

Who is anyone to suggest that anyone should suddenly jump to one side or the other . People have the freedom to vote last time I looked .

If it turns into a battle then people made it this way as well as the candidates and no one can predict the future .

No one predicted bush stealing two elections now did they ?

[flyarm]

40. no thanks..i think i will abstain from both of these candidates..and please do not tell me who

to unite with when your candidate is the most divisive since bush...

i think obama is a cheater and i will not vote for him.

fly

[NastyRiffraff]

41. How dare anyone run against Obama?

How dare anyone vote for anyone but Him? It's not fair!! He has to actually campaign when he should be crowned! :sarcasm:

[OzarkDem]

43. Forget it and I'm not kidding

He has a lot of problems, I don't think he's ready for the job and he's too closely tied to big business. He's gotten this far by playing the Shape shifter game, pretending to be many things he's not. A little more experience may help him learn to be honest with voters. Or not, its up to him.

He's also trying to kill health care reform, which doesn't sit well with me.

[TexasObserver]

44. I'm an Obama partisan, but you have to let the next to last candidate's supporters come around

It's painful to see your candidate going down in defeat, and it tends to bring out the worst in both the winning and the losing sides. If you've ever been on the floor at the national convention when your candidate's hopes are finally dashed, you know that it is soul crushing. They get to march around loudly, rubbing it in your face, and you have to stand there and take it.

I am not going to listen to a lot of them as they descend into nonstop nastiness, but I'm not going to try to talk them out of it, either. Let them rant, and just ignore the worst. They have to accept the death of their campaign in stages, and right now, anger is the main emotion as they realize the Clinton campaign is running on the brain stem and feeding tube.

[Jim Sagle]

45. Shove it.

[Iceburg]

46. Not a chance ... if boils down to 2 Republicans in the GE, I'll go with experience./nt

[LWolf]

47. Here's two things you can do to "unify" my vote:

1. Make sure that my May 20th vote counts as much as all the rest.

2. Don't nominate Obama or Clinton.

[krabigirl]

48. Nope, I'm waiting for the official nomination.

Then, I'll vote against the R in November. That's all my vote will be this time around.

[Moh96]

49. what the hell are you talking about, she is going to stay even if she loses TX and OH

she is in to win it
didn't you get the Memo that all the states that Obama won are not important