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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:34 PM
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Handy Guide to Debunking Hillary Lies in Snail Mail Hit Piece on Foreclosures
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 04:52 PM by zulchzulu
I just got some snail mail today in Wisconsin from the Hillary Clinton campaign that was obviously so full of lies that I felt it had to be exposed. It turns out she has been sending this crap to other voters in past races, namely during Super Tuesday.

Why I am on her mailing list is one thing...but I digress.

Here is a sample from the same mailer sent in Arizona:



Factcheck.org does a great job with the document's distortions:

Perhaps the most eye-catching claim in the Clinton mailer is the charge that Obama "wants to raise Social Security taxes by a trillion dollars." That's an awful distortion. Nothing Obama has proposed or supported would affect Social Security taxes paid by the overwhelming majority of workers.

First, the cap on income subject to Social Security taxes was set at $97,500. (It went up to $102,000 in January.) Obama has said he's open to raising the cap, but such a move would only increase taxes on people earning more. In fact, lifting the cap would affect taxes paid by 6.5 percent of individuals and couples, according to Citizens for Tax Justice. Second, the "trillion dollars" is an estimate of the amount of taxes to be collected over a decade and only if the cap is eliminated completely. And third, Obama has said that increasing the cap is a good choice, but he hasn't formally proposed to do so or said whether he'd eliminate it entirely or increase it to some higher level, or some other option. Meanwhile, Clinton herself has not formally disavowed the idea of raising the payroll tax cap, though she hasn't come out in support of it.

(snip)

The Clinton mailer also draws a distinction between the two candidates' proposals to help homeowners in danger of foreclosure. It says that Clinton has a plan for "a moratorium on foreclosures and a freeze in mortgage rates for at-risk homeowners," while Obama has "no plan" for a moratorium on foreclosures. That's true. But such language might give some voters the impression that Obama has proposed nothing to address housing issues. That's false.

Obama does have a plan—it's just not Clinton's—that calls for the creation of a fund to assist homeowners in refinancing their mortgages. The fund would be partially paid for by "increased penalties on lenders who … commit fraud," according to his Web site. Clinton specifically proposes a moratorium on foreclosures for a minimum of 90 days and a freeze on adjustable rate loans for at least five years. Also, the mailer says Clinton has a plan "to cut taxes for the middle class" but doesn't mention that Obama, of course, has one, too.

(snip)

The mailer further charges that Obama "voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill that gives huge tax breaks to oil companies." Obama did vote for the 2005 energy bill to which Clinton refers. But as we've said more than once before, her claim that the legislation resulted in large tax breaks for the oil industry is misleading.

In fact, the bill President Bush signed into law in 2005 actually raised taxes on the oil industry overall. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service said that the Energy Policy Act "included several oil and gas tax incentives, providing about $2.6 billion of tax cuts for the oil and gas industry. In addition, provided for $2.9 billion of tax increases on the oil and gas industry, for a net tax increase on the industry of nearly $300 million over 11 years."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/youve_got_mailers.html


Along with the other mailers full of distortions and lies, the TV ad that Hillaryworld has on the air continues the legacy of the Clintons as liars and sleuths against the truth:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/clinton-negative-ads

While she hasn't stepped foot in Wisconsin, she claims to care about the state and want to debate. As anyone who has followed politics for a short amount of time can see, when a candidate pleads and begs to debate (after having been in 18 debates with two coming) and proclaims the other (usually the leader) doesn't want to, it is due to desperation and lack of funds leading to wanting free press.

Of course, anyone can see the clear talents that the Clintons have for lying and distorting. That's in their nature. That's what they do best. As Obama's campaign has accurately stated, the Clinton campaign ads and mailers are more of the "same old politics of phony charges and false attacks" we've grown to know from them.

You can always count on Hillary to lie right into the camera about what she has in fact done with negative mailers in her campaign. Here is the transcript of her interview with Katie Couric in the February 8, 2008 60 Minutes interview:

But, you know, Senator Obama has never had, I don't think, a single negative ad run against him. He’s never been on the receiving end even in this campaign. It’s been incredibly civil by any modern standards," Clinton said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/08/60minutes/main3809538_page2.shtml


We can always count on the Goldwater Girl to act like a sniveling Republican. That's her solution to many of her problems.




Obama's Energy Plans:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

Taxes, Foreclosure Plans:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal









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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:39 PM
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1. Good job!
K & R!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:41 PM
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2. K&R
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:47 PM
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3. I going to start regularly checking with fact check org. K & R
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:57 PM
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7. I check with FactCheck on ALL the candidates
If I hear something that is too good to be true (literally), then that's certainly one web stop to go to...

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:50 PM
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4. Cheaper to mail it in from Texas than campaign, I guess.
Don't have to answer questions from actual voters that way.

;)
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:39 PM
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8. It's the same mailer that she sent to 24 states near Super Tuesday
I remember that the Hillaryworld campaign had said they would stop sending the mailer, which they had admitted was deceptive.

We know they would keep to their word. :puke:

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:42 AM
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9. She pulls this late, leaving no time before the next event to rebut. Sleazy, but that's who she is
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:50 PM
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5. It's The Old GOP Tactic...
Of repeating something over & over until enough people think it's true because they've heard it so often.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 05:13 PM
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6. You're right. The Clinton LIE machine is using every old dirty GOP trick we have faced for decades.
They know the BIG LIE is impossible to counter, so they use it more and more.

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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:43 AM
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10. Guess who they learned it from.
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