Obama's Cousin is Raila Odinga of the ODM ???

[BeatleBoot]

Odinga claims so....

http://www.observer.com/2008/g-o-p-bloggers-gird-obama

Raila Odinga, who Obama has supported, is the head of the opposition party against the Kenyan government.

The Kenyan government, headed by president Mwai Kibaki, is an ally of the Unites States.

And the opposition party called, the "Orange Democratic Movement" (ODM) headed by Raila Odinga has...

“perpetrated horrific atrocities against members of the Kikuyu tribe, because incumbent president Mwai Kibaki and the nation’s ruling elite are Kikuyu. One of the worst incidents occurred in the village of Eldoret, where dozens of Kikuyu Christians burned to death when they sought shelter in a church that was then set afire by their rampaging pursuers.”

http://www.observer.com/2008/g-o-p-bloggers-gird-obama

[DJ13]

1. "We'll travel the world looking for dirt!"

"Im Hillary Clinton, and I approve of this message."

[BeatleBoot]

6. Wow, you were able to read the article in 2 minutes?

It took me about 15 minutes to digest the importance of it.

I prefer to avoid the Ostrich Technique.

[blogslut]

7. Journalism 101

All the pertinent info is in the first paragraph.

[BeatleBoot]

16. Joe Conason put everything in the last 3 or 4.

[Emit]

48. Joe Conason refers to Kenya as Obama's homeland

"It is true that Mr. Obama, whose family is Luo, lent support to the opposition leader during a visit to Kenya two years ago—and that they have maintained contact ever since. While that gaffe infuriated the Kibaki regime, it proved only that Mr. Obama lacked diplomatic experience. During the current crisis in his homeland, he has tried to play a constructive role by taping radio announcements for the State Department that urge both sides to stop fighting and resolve their differences without violence."

What's up with that, I wonder?

[BeatleBoot]

57. Good Point. And what's up with the "recorded Radio Announcements" ?

That would be like Ted Kennedy making Radio Announcements in Ireland.

What's up with that?







The above picture is NOT Madelyn Dunham. The above picture is Sarah Hussein Obama - Barack's grandmother in Kenya.

[tigervalentine]

62. The REAL Madelyn Dunham

was a white woman from Kansas and Barack's maternal grandmother. Maybe the picture is "courtesy of the Obama family," but it is to be hoped that the caption came from elsewhere. Makes one wonder about the strength of any other info you have to offer.

Or did I miss something somewhere?

[BeatleBoot]

63. I updated my post. And thank you.

[tigervalentine]

65. Actually,

that's his STEP-grandmother. His actual grandmother left for greener pastures when Barack's father was a child.

[BlackVelvet04]

35. It's so sad he couldn't come up with something really important

like "Hillary Clinton’s voice filled with emotion today".....but you got with what you've got.

[rzemanfl]

2. No, that would be Dick Cheney. n/t

[Hepburn]

3. Your point?

Are we now responsible for what some asshole relative does? Assuming the two are related....

If that is so...take a look at Hillary's asshole brother, OK?

[BeatleBoot]

8. Obama lent him his support 2 years ago. Read the article (or not)

Not my point. Obama's point. It's reality.

He did it.

Or one can choose the Ostrich Technique

[blogslut]

14. Oh yes, the NY Observer is PROOF!

Funny how the much maligned Wikipedia says different:

"Odinga claims to be a cousin of American Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama through the latter's father, Barack Obama Sr., who Odinga claims was his maternal uncle. This claim has not been corroborated, but Obama Sr. did come from the same Luo community as Odinga."

And look, no mention of this mysterious support at all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raila_Odinga

[Hepburn]

18. OMG........

.......how amazing that the facts do not support the OP! I am just shocked...I tell ya...shocked!

:sarcasm:

[BeatleBoot]

21. Wikipedia ?????????????????????????????? LOL!!!!!

Yeah Wikipedia...

Please.

Get Real.

Try using Wikipedia as a source in a collegiate paper.

BWAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




:rofl:

[Hepburn]

23. Sorry you lost one of your main sources...I never use the site.

Any reason you posted that to me other than you just fucked up again?

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BeatleBoot]

46. Look Again.

I responded to Blogslut, not you.

I enjoy the healthy and vigorous discussion! (how's that?)

[BlackVelvet04]

36. You're quoting wikipedia as an authority....

oh good grief.

[blogslut]

42. Malign it all you want

But I will remember that when you use it as proof. And you will.

Do note, Mr. Conason also states that the claims of a familial relationship between the two is unsubstantiated.

I went to funeral this week. I saw one of my first cousins. I had not seen this man in over 30 years. I did not recognize him. It was nice to catch up but I seriously doubt I will see him again unless another relative he deems worthy dies. He sure didn't bother to show up for my mother's funeral.

So much for family.

[BlackVelvet04]

45. ......n/t

[anigbrowl]

53. As well he should

Wikipedia articles include sources, which is more than can be said for the NY Observer. In this case, Obdinga's claim is sourced to a BBC story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7176683.stm

As an ex-journalist, I personally find Wikipedia a highly reliable source most of the time - because I can track back to original sources very easily. You guys throwing shapes about Wikipedia probably couldn't write a well-sourced article if you had a year - I notice the voices crying loudest are the ones that go in the most of for hit and run allegations and ubsubstantiated arguments.

[Hepburn]

15. Oh, brother....

...you think that this ONE article in this particular rag supports that?

From you I hear: D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N...peddle this crap where people are less well informed, OK?

[BeatleBoot]

19. Tip of the Iceberg

More to follow....

[Hepburn]

28. More like puddle of one melted ice cube....

...:eyes:

[BeatleBoot]

47. Yeah, that's it. Post 46

:rofl:

[Cha]

10. hilary's asshole brother! Brawaawawawaw

touche!

[Hepburn]

22. Hey, they wanna talk relatives....we talk relatives!

That's Hugh on the left...the one who is SMOKING....:evilgrin:

[BeatleBoot]

26. Were his involved with al Qaeda ?

"These events are set within a broader story line of an alleged Muslim plot to overthrow the Kibaki government, which is friendly to the United States and the West, and replace the secular constitution of Kenya with sharia law, creating a haven for Al Qaeda—which blew up the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi a decade ago and still operates there, according to American diplomats. During the Kenyan election, the Christian evangelical movement in Kenya circulated a “memorandum of understanding” allegedly signed by Mr. Odinga and a group of Muslim clerics that would commit his government to instituting Muslim strictures against pork and alcohol, setting up sharia courts and ending cooperation against terrorism with Western governments. "

http://www.observer.com/2008/g-o-p-bloggers-gird-obama

[Hepburn]

29. Who is the "his" to whom you refer?

The asshole I am highlighting is HER drunken, scummy brother.

[blogslut]

4. Uh Huh

Call me cynical but I have a hard time accepting BS from the N.Y. Observer. I also remember when a Republican administration supported the death squad Government in El Salvador.

But you keep on reaching for the straws stars!

[BeatleBoot]

11. it's Joe Conason - he's totally legit

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. "As usual,.. half-truths and lies..."

"As usual, the right-wing narrative melds half-truths and lies with facts to create a seamless indictment."

http://www.observer.com/2008/g-o-p-bloggers-gird-obama

[BeatleBoot]

12. but then he goes on to say that there is now something Concrete to their charges....

Read the article or stick your head back in the sand.


Your choice.


Personally, my family can't afford 4 more years of Republican rule.

[grantcart]

9. Did you read the article??

It specifically outlined what it thought was going to be grist in the right wing attack machine against Obama and provided the example you quote as an example of the unsubstantiated attack that we should be ready to denounce. It even outlines that the charges are based on a forgery.


Why are you spreading rumors that your own source calls reckless and a forgery?
quote
Leading conservative blogs and publications charge that Mr. Obama has recklessly aligned himself with opposition leader Raila Odinga


Denounced as a forgery by Mr. Odinga and the Muslim authorities in Kenya, which it almost certainly is, that document nevertheless still circulates via the Internet and is quoted by American publications. The point is to raise questions about Mr. Obama and his connections with Mr. Odinga, who claims to be his cousin—and to infiltrate those doubts into the mainstream media.



Yet the outlines of the coming assault on his fitness and character are clear enough, just as the Swift Boat campaign against John Kerry opened fire many months before the public noticed. The Kenya tale is a single aspect of a multifaceted strategy to portray Mr. Obama as a callow politician with dubious associations, who cannot be trusted with power. He will be subjected to the same ruthless treatment as the last Democratic nominee. Let’s hope he is better armored to withstand incoming fire.

[BeatleBoot]

25. You omitted this line that conflicts with your entire post...

"But easily denied charges about his supposed Muslim upbringing are gradually giving way to more concrete allegations. The latest round involves his political intervention in Kenya, the home of his late father, where violence between ethnic and partisan factions has erupted in the wake of a disputed presidential election."

[grantcart]

33. somehow you omitted the very next line

As usual, the right-wing narrative melds half-truths and lies with facts to create a seamless indictment.



Yes the easily denied charges are believed by 1 out of every 100 adults while the more concrete allegations are believed by 5 out of every 100 adults. There are a dozen different points in the article where the writer indicates they are baseless charges.

[BeatleBoot]

59. The Right Wing Nazi Scum

will have a field day with this stuff.

But, somehow, magically, Obama won't be politically hurt by it ?

These guys took down John Kerry, the war hero, but somehow, in a Kool-Aid haze, it will be different this time.

Give me a break.

This guy is a gift to the GOP slime machine.

And that's why Peggy Noonan (GOP speech writer for Ronald Reagan) stated that Obama will be Teflon to the GOP attacks.

These guys are waiting with baited breath.

I really wanted a Dem in the White House.

But our Party has lost its mind.

[Hepburn]

31. Please....don't educate the OP...

...the breeze going over his/her head must be sooooooo refreshing at ths point in time!

:rofl:

[Straight Shooter]

13. He's got a ton of cousins. In this instance, there's no "there" there. n/t

[sam sarrha]

17. there are rumors that Raila made a deal with Muslim migrants from the north to let them establish

Shuria Law in areas where they are a majority, in exchange for their support.

i just saw a PBS documentary on Kenya, there is a drought in the north and about 40-45% of population of the central coastal area suddenly became Muslim. everybody is now socially, economically, environmentally stressed, ..over population with quickly dwindling essential resources

[blogslut]

20. And if you did read and absorb

You would have noticed that there is no verification that Odinga is the Senator's cousin.

Your Beatle boots must be cutting off circulation to your brain.

[BeatleBoot]

32. Just asked the question.

You think the right wing won't be asking it if he makes it until November?

Please.

[blogslut]

40. Of course the wingnuts will throw out crap

Mr. Conason was trying to point out some of that crap.

You merely perpetuate the crap. Congratulations.

[Melinda]

24. The article you cited calls your OP Bullshit!!! It's all about the RW, its lies, and swiftboating...

And you bit!! You osted the RW talking points, and omitted the pertinent and central thesis of the article, which was to expose the very lies you claim in your OP!!!!!!!

From the article YOU cite, as written by Joe Conason.

"As usual, the right-wing narrative melds half-truths and lies with facts to create a seamless indictment"

Yet the outlines of the coming assault on his fitness and character are clear enough, just as the Swift Boat campaign against John Kerry opened fire many months before the public noticed. The Kenya tale is a single aspect of a multifaceted strategy to portray Mr. Obama as a callow politician with dubious associations, who cannot be trusted with power. He will be subjected to the same ruthless treatment as the last Democratic nominee. Let’s hope he is better armored to withstand incoming fire.

Did you even bother to READ what you posted? Christ on a crutch!!!

[BeatleBoot]

30. I read the article to the end - you didn't.

"But easily denied charges about his supposed Muslim upbringing are gradually giving way to more concrete allegations. The latest round involves his political intervention in Kenya, the home of his late father, where violence between ethnic and partisan factions has erupted in the wake of a disputed presidential election."

No, I have an attention span. I concentrate when I read.

[Hepburn]

34. Instead of "concentrate" when you read, might I suggest...

...you "comprehend" instead?

Just a thought....:eyes:

[BeatleBoot]

39. Post 46

Numbnuts.

[Hepburn]

49. Suggestion...

....uncross your legs and you might not have that problem.

Anything else with which I can help you?

[BeatleBoot]

50. Yeah.

Post 46.

Numbnuts.

[Melinda]

41. I read the entire article; an allegation is proof of Jack shit and you know it.

The title of the article:

G.O.P. Bloggers Gird for Obama

I expect this bullshit from Freepers, not from members of DU. Your agenda is transparent -- you purposefully twisted the article to distort its premise, to further GOP lies, and to help swiftboat one of our democratic candidates. In the immortal words of Betty Davis "You make me wanna wipe my mouth!!"

I'm done with the likes of you. Welcome to ignore.

[BeatleBoot]

43. The first part of grieving is denial.

Ostrich Technique ensues....head in the sand.

It will get better over time.

Hopefully, our party can recover.

[anigbrowl]

54. It's OK, eventually you'll get over Hillary not winning and move to acceptance.

[stillcool]

58. did you even read what you posted?

same shit different day. Do you really think that there is anyone in this country that is not expecting more of the Clinton style campaigning from the GOP? Do you really think the Obama campaign is not fully aware of American style smear campaign politics? Some people are just not as scared of the big bad GOP as you are. But keep trying.

[juajen]

66. Clean out your own sh**t house before you crap in ours.

You glitterbabies have forced us to go negative. Whodathunkit?

[Clinton Crusader]

27. This guy has SO MANY FRIGGIN COUSINS!

Cheney, That guy at FOX, now this guy! WHo ELSE is gonna come out as his cousin??? Diebold?

I love your user name and sig! (Big Beatle fan here!)

[muck17]

44. and claims that he's from every state

Kentucky, Illinois, Hawaii, Alabama, yep Mr. Everything is from all of them.

[Alexander]

38. Sounds like Odinga might be the type to lie about Obama.

I'll believe it when I see confirmation, either by Obama or a DNA test.

[scheming daemons]

51. Beatleboot... still doing the work of the GOP.....

...how much does Hillary's campaign pay you?

[Capn Sunshine]

52. AND HIS OTHER COUSIN IS DICK CHENEY!

it's a vast conspiracy of EEEEEEEEEVIL!
God these new posters are a riot

[Freida5]

60. I agree. What a gene pool.

[JimGinPA]

55. If Charlie Manson Tells a Reporter YOU Are His Cousin, Does That Make It True?

:think:

[K Gardner]

56. Is anybody but me alerting on this RW flamebait race-baiting, rumormongering garbage?

[stillcool]

61. does it matter?

If people didn't spam the board with this kind of stuff, we wouldn't need a separate forum for GD-P

[ficus1]

64. STOP THE PRESSES

The GOP will smear the eventual Democratic nominee. Concern troll is concerned.