Hey all you Obama Folks wanting to contest NY

[BooScout]

Do you ever try and look past a headline? Or a soundbite?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=94th+election+district&st=nyt&oref=slogin


~snip~

"City election officials said they were convinced that there was nothing sinister to account for the inaccurate initial counts, and The Times’s review found a handful of election districts in the city where Mrs. Clinton received zero votes in the initial results.

“It looked like a lot of the numbers were wrong, probably the result of human error,” said Marcus Cederqvist, who was named executive director of the Board of Elections last month. He said such discrepancies between the unofficial and final count rarely affected the raw vote outcome because “they’re not usually that big.” "

and ~snip~

"Jerome A. Koenig, a former chief of staff to the State Assembly’s election law committee and a lawyer for the Obama campaign, suggested that some of the discrepancy resulted from the design of the ballot.

Candidates were listed from left to right in an order selected by drawing lots. Mrs. Clinton was first, followed by Gov. Bill Richardson and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., who in most election districts received zero votes, and by John Edwards, who got relatively few. Mr. Obama was fifth, just before Representative Dennis J. Kucinich.

Mr. Koenig said he seriously doubted that anything underhanded was at work because local politicians care more about elections that matter specifically to them."

(more) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=94th+election+district&st=nyt&oref=slogin

For pete's sakes not everyone is out to get you...........and if they were Clinton's supporters are a wee bit smart enough not to make it 500 to 0...........or whatever to 0.

:eyes: :eyes:

[JackORoses]

1. where she got 0,Obama got 0. But in some places her votes were present but his were not

That is not a simple mistake. That shows purpose.

Someone counted her votes but not his.

[BooScout]

2. I guess you didn't read the part where the Obama campaign lawyer....

Pretty much said it was not some evil Clinton Conspiracy huh?:eyes:

[JackORoses]

4. i just read the facts, i'm not interested in conjecture

I see a pattern of votes counted for Hillary and votes not counted for Obama.

Yes, in some places, votes were counted for neither, but this does not explain the places where only Hillary's votes were tallied.

[Igel]

8. The problem is the use of the word "counted".

When the votes *were* counted officially, they found them.

When the unofficial vote totals were reported so that the media would have something to say, some were missed--more probably for Obama than for HRC. Why that's so might have something to do with how the poll workers read off the numbers when they opened the machines.

Note the difference in words, it's an important one: "official count" showed Obama and HRC got votes everywhere, "unofficial report" showed one or the other got 0 votes in many places.

Claiming that there's a pattern when Obama's votes aren't reported, and that this needs to be explained, while there's no pattern when HRCs votes aren't reported (something apparently that isn't a problem, but perhaps to be expected) makes no sense, unless there's a very strong partisan-polarized lens.

Oddly, one thing apparently filtered out is that the usual system used year after year is what's responsible for finding the votes, no need to contest the results (which can't be contested until they're official, in any event), no need to send in investigation teams. Because if they did, they'd probably find that the poll workers, almost always drawn from the local community, screwed up. And do you really want to claim that bipartisan black teams in Harlem (and white and Latino and Asian teams elsewhere) didn't report votes not by accident, but intentionally? I certainly don't want to go there, and chalk it up to accident or incompetence, not ill-will.

[Clovis Sangrail]

7. oh yeah...

According to the article, Koenig is the former chief of staff to the State Assembly’s election law committee. So he's probably reasonably familiar with local election fraud.

HEY LOOK! He is!
Talking about NY precints he also said “They steal votes for elections like Assembly District leader, where people have a personal stake,”

But never fear... they might steal votes for that but it would be unimaginable for them to do so in something other than a local race.
:eyes:

[BooScout]

11. uh........Koenig is also a lawyer for the OBAMA CAMPAIGN

:eyes:

[Clovis Sangrail]

17. I really don't care who he is an advisor for.

He was in a position to know something about the existence of election fraud in the area, and made statements that indicate it's expected behavior.
You ignored that part, which to me, is what should make your eyes pop out.

[Donnachaidh]

21. Reynolds Aluminum post.

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :eyes:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. "not everyone is out to get you".....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[tyne]

12. Who said they were?

[msongs]

5. could it be the messiah persecution complex? nt

[Donnachaidh]

23. can I get an AMEN!!!!

Nail.gets.smashed.by.hammer. :evilgrin:

[thevoiceofreason]

6. Stop creating straw men

[NashVegas]

13. Stop Blindly Accusing When Evidence Suggests Other Truths

NYTimes: Black Votes for Obama Went Uncounted in NY Primary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4612754


Rigged in NY? Times: Unofficial Tallies in City Understated Obama Vote

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4615473

[BooScout]

14. Ya might want to read the whole article.......

Instead of the bullets.:eyes:

[NashVegas]

16. I Don't Think The OP Was About What Obama's Lawyer Says

I'm pretty sure it's about what some Obama voters on DU have said or intimated.

[BeatleBoot]

9. "Bet it All....You Can't Lose."

[tyne]

10. Straw man indeed

A paper that endorses Hillary runs this article and her supporters cry about...well, nevermind.

Straw man indeed.

[BeatleBoot]

19. What are you even talking about?

I understand the concept of a straw man.

But I don't get it in your context.

[Skwmom]

15. Smart enough? Well there were some districts where Clinton received

zero results so I guess that could be viewed as smart. But I don't know how smart the blatant voter suppression in NV was (of course the ANTI-CLinton media really hasn't mentioned that much - wonder why).

[LordJFT]

18. just bc there's no clinton conspiracy doesn't mean the votes shouldn't be fairly counted

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. Just count all the votes and let the chips fall where they may.

Obama may take a couple more delegates when all is said and done. At any rate, Clinton got less than 60% of the vote in her own home state. Whereas Obama got more than 65% in Illinois. That's very telling, is all I'm sayin'. :shrug:

[ErnestoG]

22. Predictable offering from the Hillarzombies.

If it had disfavored their candidate, they'd be screaming bloody murder over it.