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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:03 PM
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Harold Ickes voted to strip delegates from FL and MI
Edited on Sat Feb-16-08 10:04 PM by George_Bonanza
"On Florida and Michigan, the campaign again said voters in those states should not be “disenfranchised” and that the states were important to the Democratic Party's fortunes. Ickes also said Clinton didn't vote on the DNC rules.

But Ickes did. And he voted in August to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates as a sitting member of the Rules and Bylaws Commission."


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/16/671358.aspx

Trying to prevent the disenfranchisement of voters, Harold? You sure weren't that concerned about democracy when your candidate was the "inevitable one". Now that your horse is behind in the race, you want to change the rules?
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:15 PM
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1. what Ickes said
He says that when he was on the commission, he had to follow the rules, but once on the Hillary campaign, rules are made to be broken.

He was not "acting as an agent of Sen Clinton" when on the rules committee, so he did what he thought was right for the party

Now he does what's right for Sen Clinton, not the party.
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:17 PM
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2. So he admits the interests of Hillary and the Democrats are in contention with each other?
In essence, he's working to harm the Democrats to benefit Clinton? Wow.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:20 PM
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3. Anther Article On This:
Clinton Aide Changes Mich., Fla. Stance

<snip>

WASHINGTON (AP) — Harold Ickes, a top adviser to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign who voted to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates last year, now is arguing against the very penalty he helped pass.

In a conference call Saturday, the longtime Democratic Party member contended the DNC should reconsider its tough sanctions on the two states, which held early contests in violation of party rules. He said millions of voters in Michigan and Florida would be otherwise disenfranchised — before acknowledging moments later that he had favored the sanctions.


Ickes explained that his different position essentially is due to the different hats he wears as both a DNC member and a Clinton adviser in charge of delegate counting. Clinton won the primary vote in Michigan and Florida, and now she wants those votes to count.

"There's been no change," Ickes said. "I wasn't acting as an agent for Mrs. Clinton. We stripped them of all their delegates in order to prevent campaigns to campaign in those states. ...Those were the rules, and we thought we had an obligation to enforce them."

<snip>

Link: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hY742M_s1ttD_ycf2Zus...

Apparently... He voted to strip 'em, before he voted to put their votes back on.

:wtf:

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 10:21 PM
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4. So now he's breaking rules for Hillary? What a piece of shit.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:19 PM
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6. Well said. And this is just what I would expect from HC and her ilk.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:14 PM
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5. Kick !!!
:kick:
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