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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:26 AM
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Finding Their Faith


Backstage at the Target Center in Minneapolis before a rally earlier this month, Barack Obama engaged in one of his pregame rituals: the presidential candidate joined a circle of young campaign supporters and staff, clasped hands with those on either side of him and prayed.

From TIME

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1713269,00.html

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In 2004 the Bush-Cheney operation did more with religious outreach than any other campaign in history, deploying a massive parish- and congregation-level mobilization effort. In Florida alone, the gop employed a state chairwoman for Evangelical outreach who appointed a dozen regional coordinators around the state and designated outreach chairs in each of Florida's 67 counties. Every county chair, in turn, recruited between 30 and 50 volunteers to contact and register their Evangelical neighbors.

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It didn't take long for religion to become an issue in the campaign. In the spring of 2004, a handful of conservative Catholic bishops began to insist that Kerry, a Roman Catholic, should be denied Communion because of his support for abortion rights. A media frenzy — quickly dubbed the "Wafer Watch" — soon metastasized, with journalists following Kerry to Mass each Sunday and doing everything but checking his molars for evidence that he had indeed been given Communion... When Kerry and his advisers did reach a decision, it was underwhelming: ignore the story and hope it goes away. A few surrogates could defend Kerry in the press, but the campaign itself would maintain radio silence. It was the same strategy they would employ a few months later when the Swift Boat attacks began. The flaw in the approach, of course, was that ignoring the situation didn't mean the stories went away. It just ensured that the Kerry campaign forfeited any ability to influence the coverage.

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In May, two Kerry supporters in Erie, Pa., Pat and Kristin Headley, heard that the candidate would be making a campaign stop at the local airport. Excited, they bundled their young son and daughter into the car, bringing along some poster board and markers to make signs on the way. The Headleys, who are Evangelical Democrats, decided to write PRO-LIFE FOR KERRY on their sign to show that it was possible for pro-life voters to support Democratic candidates. But Kerry's event staff thought differently. Hurrying over as the message bobbed in the crowd, a pair of Kerry campaign workers confronted the Headleys and asked them to put the poster down. Only "sanctioned" signs, they said, were allowed.

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Catholics were just as far off the Kerry campaign's radar screen. In the fall, a Democratic activist and Catholic in Columbus, Ohio, named Eric McFadden approached the campaign about canvassing heavily Catholic counties in Ohio. Democratic volunteers in those areas had been barraged with questions from voters who had been following the Wafer Watch, and they were desperate for materials that could provide a fuller picture of Kerry's Catholicism. McFadden wanted to deliver flyers that highlighted Kerry's faith and the drop in abortion rates during the 1990s. He approached one of the campaign's Ohio field directors for permission, explaining that he wanted to help organizers appeal to Catholic voters. Her response left him speechless: "We don't do white churches.".. Kerry lost the Catholic vote in Ohio by 44% to 55%. It was a six-point drop from Al Gore's showing among Catholics in that state four years earlier. Kerry lost Ohio by a margin of slightly more than 
 118,000 votes and, with it, the election.



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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:29 AM
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1. Does this mean the Office of Faith Based Initiatives
will remain under a Democratic president?
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:31 AM
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2. So what, Democratic candidates are forbidden from praying in your world? -nt
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:38 AM
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3. I'm not talking about prayer.
I'm talking about taxpayer's money going to churches and other religious organizations (tax-exempt)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:49 AM
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4. Including teaching abstinence only? (nt)
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:41 AM
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6. See that is the problem with some people...
Just because he believes in God and prays, you assume he wants the government to pay for religious activities and that he is anti-science when it comes to sex ed. You are as closed minded as the people you rail against.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:25 AM
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7. I don't assume anything. I want to know where both Obama
and Clinton stand on having a religion-based office in the Executive Branch.

I don't hear anyone "railing" on this thread. I want to know the facts. Have you heard your candidate talk about the government funding social programs through churches?

I am encouraged to hear that Obama would support a needles-exchange program in D.C. That is the right thing to do. Where did you get that bringing up this issue was saying that Obama was "anti-science?"
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:54 AM
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5. "God loves you, I love you, and you can count on us both"
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:45 AM
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8. maybe this will help...
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaonFaith.pdf

The separation of church and state is critical and has caused our democracy and religious practices to thrive.
“Conservative leaders need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland…It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religion, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith…” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address

We are a nation of many faiths and of those with no faith at all. The religious practices of all must be respected.
“Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” - Call to Renewal Keynote Address


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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:12 AM
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9. That helps. But the picture creeps me out. I just think prayer should be private.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:40 AM
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10. I believe prayer...
is always private. Regardless of where it's done. The government's use of religion has bastardized the idea of 'God', and spirituality, and given a voice to all kinds of religious quackery. It will be nice if/when we can respect each other's right to believe what ever we choose to believe.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:42 AM
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11. Me too. I'm creeped out by this aspect of the Obama campaign.
And in a significant way.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:59 AM
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12. I find it creepy, too. I just like prayer as a private thing, and not mixed with political rallies.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:07 PM
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13. so sad...
the picture of a small group of staff and supporters having a private moment of reflection before a rally, gives you the creeps. Moments of silence. How disgusting.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:26 PM
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14. Was it a moment of silence, or was it prayer? And to whom did they pray?
What if among the supporters and staff were some who do not worship the same god? Did they feel excluded?

This cannot have been a private moment of it was published on a national magazine.

Interesting, though: while most people who pray to Jesus in public bow their heads (I know, because I make sure that I don't, when I am faced with a public invocation), Obama's face is pointed upward.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:32 PM
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16. I can only speak for myself...
I spent a lot of times in the rooms of AA, and while I know there are many that consider AA a cult, I was very fortunate to be able to learn how to spend time with myself and discover what in life I 'believed' in. There was very little. A 'God' of my understanding does not demand that I need anyone's permission to believe whatever I want, and it was totally acceptable to me to join hands at the end of meetings and say a 'prayer' in a moment of silence for the sick and the suffering alcoholics that had not yet found their way to sobriety. I myself have no religion, but I don't have a problem with people who choose to practice their 'faith' in a building. Nor do I have a problem with a group of people, be it a football team, or the cast of a play saying a group prayer before the performance starts. I guess I'm crazy that way.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:33 PM
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15. So reverently private, like this campaign brochure that went out to heavily religious South Carolina
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:39 PM
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17. Yeah pretty disgusting...
reaching out to people of faith like that. I wonder how many "Radical Muslim" emails those same people in North Carolina got? Of course, there's nothing wrong with that.

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php


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