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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 12:58 AM
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The great equalizer to seating Florida and Michigan and to superdelegates?: Proportional rep
I'm not too terribly upset over the whole superdelegate issue and/or seating Michigan and Florida because let's face it: Hillary would be blowing Barack out of the water right now if we had winner take all contests like the GOP does. With Hillary winning New York, New Jersey, California, Mass, Florida, Michigan, Texas, and Ohio in a winner take all scenario, this race would be over on March 4th and Hillary would be the nominee.

Fortunately, we have PR and Obama has a very good chance because of it. What if we had no superdelegates and no Michigan and Florida issue but we had winner take all primaries?

So, before you get too down on the system, fellow Obama supporters, just remember PR. It's saved us.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:08 AM
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1. Your math is off....
If we had "Winner take all" in the primaries, the totals would be:

Obama:

AL(55)+AK(15)+CO(54)+CT(55)+DE(18)+DC(27)+GA(91)+ID(21)+IL(175)+IA(51)+KS(36)+LA(59)+ME(27)+MD(69)+MN(81)+MO(80)+NE(28)+ND(17)+SC(48)+UT(26)+VA(93)+VI(3)+WA(59)

TOTAL: 1188

Hillary:

AZ(62)+AR(44)+CA(405)+MA(109)+NV(28)+NH(27)+NJ(120)+NM(32)+NY(274)+OK(40)+TN(74)

TOTAL: 1215



You call that "Blowing Barack out of the water"??


Bottom line.... if it was winner-take-all.... we'd still be "tied".


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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:11 AM
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2. But after TX, OH and PA though?
Then it'd be a lot different and a lot worse for us. Those numbers for right now though are encouraging. I didn't realize it was that close.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:21 AM
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4. Um... TX, OH, and PA didn't HAPPEN yet......

Add in Wisconsin and Hawaii for Obama.... he'll win them both... that's 94 more delegates for Obama.

That gives him 1282 in a "winner take all" scenario.... a lead.


That gives him 10 straight wins... with two weeks to do nothing but campaign in Texas and Ohio. He's surging in Texas right now.... and with the momentum of 10 straight wins behind him, and the trajectories of the two campaigns, he is going to pull off a Texas win.

That's 193 more delegates for him.

Give her Ohio.... that's 141 more for her. RI (21) and VT (15) can go either way, but likely Obama. In any case... by winning Texas, Obama will "win" March 4th.

After 45 more easy delegates for Obama in Wyoming and Mississippi.... there will be SIX WEEKS until PA.


Let Obama set up camp in PA for 6 weeks, with his bottomless pit of funds and ability to turn out voters, and I wouldn't bet against him there.




Quit buying the hillbot spin.


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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 01:12 AM
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3. Thank You.
Tempted to rec this just for this response.
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