Anyone wonder why there are at least six threads suddenly about...

[NastyRiffraff]

"words" or "talk"? I mean, come on people, overreacting much?

Most of them quote historic speeches given by people whose stature and experience dwarfs Obama, as "proof" that words do, actually, mean something. Well, DUH! Nobody said they didn't. JFK's "Ask not," MLK's "I have a dream," FDR's "nothing to fear but fear itself" Lincoln's Gettysburg address...all were quoted. None were stump speeches, though. All had real experience...painful experience and courage...behind them. Comparing them to Obama's stump speeches is ludicrous. My God, even Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel was quoted, to shore up Obama! That's not ludicrous; that's obscene.

[ErnestoG]

1. Haven't you eaten more than your share of sour grapes yet?

What's next, you going to rifle through Obama's drawers and find fault with his socks?

[NastyRiffraff]

7. Nah, I could care less about Obama's socks...

or his drawers, either :)

[Honeycombe8]

31. "I could care less" means you care a lot. You care a lot about Obama's socks? hahahaha. nt

[Maddy McCall]

2. K/R

I'm just waiting for someone to post a Red Cloud or Sitting Bull speech and compare Obama to them.

[ErnestoG]

18. It just kills you that Obama is seeing Hillary in his rear view mirror, isnt it

HAHAAAAHAHAH..precious!

[boston bean]

19. I've seen some pretty close to what you describe. nt

[NMMNG]

3. That means the truth hurts

They're really grasping at straws there.

[FrenchieCat]

5. No...it means that Hillary made a ridiculous assertion.......

Why does she think that her speeches or anything other than words? :shrug:

Her "solutions" ain't nothing but mere words that will never be enacted.....because she won't have a working majority to get any of it accomplished.

[saltpoint]

4. If Senator Clinton goes on to win the nomination, your observation

about "words" will have some resonance.

If she doesn't, Sen. Obama's current trend lines passing her in national polling will.

[Sapphocrat]

9. Is it all about winning with you?

The point of this OP appears to be the audacity of audacity. Arrogance. Not pride, but a complete lack of humility.

If HRC started making herself out to be Susan B. Anthony, Miep Gies, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Rosa Parks all rolled into one, the level of bile in the back of my throat would be no lower than it is right now.

[saltpoint]

10. Is what all about winning with me? Can you "win" a poem by

Adrienne Rich? Or a composition by Paul Simon? Or a drive across Rt. 30 in Nebraska just before a thunderstorm?

Those are worthwhile concerns.

Public service is another.

I'd like to see Sen. Obama do well in this election against the Republicans.

I hope you can dig it.

[Spider Jerusalem]

11. Except, you know, Senator Obama hasn't made himself out to be JFK, MLK, FDR and Winston Churchill.

The citing of speeches by these individuals is a refutation of Senator Clinton's contention that 'words don't matter'; one refutes a point not by attack and insult, but by citation of specific counterexamples. That is the way that civil debate works; by reasoned response, not ad hominem.

[ErnestoG]

20. I hope to god Obama is NOT a Churchill

Outside of what he did in the war against Germany, Churchill was quite a repulsive man - overdoing the booze and cigars and cheating regularly on his wife.

I think Obama has a little more regard for his marriage.

[silverweb]

6. So?

The first point is that words do matter, as those many fine examples you cited prove.

The second point is that it's incredibly arrogant and ignorant of a person -- a legislator who is educated in the law and who relies on the precise use of words to achieve her goals -- to say that words don't matter.

You can't make irresponsible, untrue statements and then pretend to be surprised and offended by vehement refutation.

[Blue State Bandit]

8. I think I know why.

“Over the years you've heard plenty of promises from plenty of people and plenty of speeches. And some of those speeches were probably pretty good. But speeches don’t put food on the table. Speeches don’t fill up your tank. Speeches don’t fill your prescriptions,” she said. “My opponent makes speeches. I offer solutions. It’s one thing to get people excited. I want to empower you.”

I think it's great that Hillary is finally trying to inspire people to empower themselves with high flying oratory. All I've been hearing from her this year is "What I'd do when I am president" while that Obama guy keeps saying things like "We are the change We are looking for.
:sarcasm:

[GoldieAZ49]

12. only 6 is good, there were 50 or more it seemed over the SNUB that never happened

delusional BS has 50 threads, 6 on her gaff is pretty good

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. because many of us heard Obama's speech from Wisconsin tonight on C SPAN

that might be why.

Obama has the audacity to be an excellent speaker.

And some of us have become a part of this "cult like" thing called democracy
where we actually want to rally behind someone and (gasp horrors) vote for him.

[NastyRiffraff]

14. I heard the speech too

It was okay. I thought he's done better speeches. And yes, he is an excellent speaker. And...?

And hey, vote away! I have no quarrel with your candidate, although he is not mine. I certainly support democracy and voting. It's some of his supporters who bother me, making him out to be something he certainly is not: an almost godlike creature, whose speeches alone can change the world.

[anamandujano]

15. He creeps me out.

[saltpoint]

16. Alexander kept two things under his pillow at night.

One was a dagger. In a world of uninterrupted warfare and palace intrigue, a knife was sensible defense.

The other was an annotated copy of THE ILIAD from his teacher, Aristotle.

In my opinion that is a workable definition of statecraft.

[blitzen]

17. Do the words "fuck you" mean anything? Just wonderin'

[NastyRiffraff]

21. Hey, great, reasoned response!

However, no thanks. I like to choose, and it won't be you.

[blitzen]

24. Didn't see a lot of reason in your OP....

just a bullshit rhetorical rant. Ironic that the Obama-haters want to talk about language rather than issues.

[ErnestoG]

22. Maybe because your candidate stuck her fat foot in her mouth...again?

[MagickMuffin]

23. This is part of the speech JFK was to deliver on Nov. 23, 1963

My friends and fellow citizens: I cite these facts and figures to make it clear that America today is stronger than ever before. Our adversaries have not abandoned their ambitions, our dangers have not diminished, our vigilance cannot be relaxed. But now we have the military, the scientific, and the economic strength to do whatever must be done for the preservation and promotion of freedom.

That strength will never be used in pursuit of aggressive ambitions--it will always be used in pursuit of peace. It will never be used to promote provocations--it will always be used to promote the peaceful settlement of disputes.

We in this country, in this generation, are--by destiny rather than choice--the watchmen on the walls of world freedom. We ask, therefore, that we may be worthy of our power and responsibility, that we may exercise our strength with wisdom and restraint, and that we may achieve in our time and for all time the ancient vision of "peace on earth, good will toward men." That must always be our goal, and the righteousness of our cause must always underlie our strength. For as was written long ago: "except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."
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Here's a link to another speech he gave in San Antonio. In this speech he talks about the space program and how he wanted to advance our science for medical research.

http://www.historicaldocuments.com/JohnFKennedysLastSpeech.htm

JFK spent his last night and morning in my city, Fort Worth. His last speech was here, his last words to the American public.:cry:

JFK was a visionary, which apparently doesn't mean jackshit anymore when someone talks about a new direction for our country.

[ellisonz]

25. Vision is bad.

Unless it's toward the past and the same old goddamn battles...

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-I don't think so!

[Tennessee Gal]

26. You are right.

I am offended by those posts.

They are ludicrous no matter who is posting them.

[bvar22]

27. It is not the Obama campaign that needs "shoring up".

It is the Hillary campaign that is collapsing.

And that observation is just more words describing an embarrassing reality.

[Honeycombe8]

28. It's kinda gettin' to ya, huh? Well, it should. Point made. Words matter, don't they? nt

[Honeycombe8]

29. Wiesel's quote spoke of "hope," audaciously enough. Point made? Yes, I think so. nt

[InsultComicDog]

30. Obviously

it's a direct response to Hillary's claim that words aren't what matters.

[tekisui]

32. Um....Hillary said "talk is cheap"

She asked for it.

[NastyRiffraff]

33. OMG!!!! Handcuff her! She said..

"Talk is cheap!!!!!!!" How COULD she? She cannot get away with that! That's the most horrible, vile, ugly thing I've EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE! So let's start 14 threads on DU about this terrible, sick statement! We'll show her she'd better not say ANYTHING about Obama unless it's Praising His Name!

Talk is cheap!!! Whoever heard of an uglier statement! What will we tell the children? :sarcasm:

[tekisui]

34. She is using the classic, attack your opponents strengths.

You should know it will get a response. I really don't understand your surprise.

[NastyRiffraff]

35. Well, yeah...

I should have known that a normally mild statement like "talk is cheap" would get an extreme overreaction and outrage. Happens all the time when anyone even mildly criticizes, or appears to criticize, Obama. Or even questions him.