Critical Reasons Why Women Need to Vote for Hillary Clinton

[pathansen]

Even if you don't agree with me, please read the following:

“Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice”
SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Hillary Clinton has also been a prominant international leader speaking out against Violence Against Women world wide:
“Hillary Clinton traveled to 79 countries during this time, breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon. In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself, declaring "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights" and resisting Chinese pressure to soften her remarks. She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<149><150> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.”
SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

She has also spoken out strongly against mutilation of Muslim girls. I understand around 95% of young Muslim girls in Africa are mutilated, the equivalent of male castration, and without pain killers.

BILLS HILLARY HAS SPONSORED JUST IN THE LAST YEAR TO HELP WOMEN:
SOURCE: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022&tab=bills

S. 1240: Compassionate Assistance for Rape Emergencies Act of 2007
S. 2415: Protection Against Transmission of HIV for Women and Youth Act of 2007
S. 1816: National Women's Rights History Project Act
S. 1800: Compassionate Care for Servicewomen Act
S. 1075: Unintended Pregnancy Reduction Act of 2007
S. 766: Paycheck Fairness Act

If you look at the same very record in the last year for Obama, I found no bills to help women.
SEE: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?tab=bills&id=400629

If you study more about Hillary Clinton’s background, you will also notice that throughout the last 35 years she has been a strong advocate for protecting not just women but children, the sick, and even animal protection groups give her excellent ratings. Children, animals and often sick people are not able to vote. These facts indicate to me a lot about her true character: a highly compassionate person who cares about the vulnerable being abused.

[Cassandra]

1. If she had been running on that...

instead of how tough she can be, she would have been running a very different campaign and might have had my vote.

[boston bean]

2. It doesn't matter what she's done, just Obama is shiny, so vote for him right? nt

[Cassandra]

3. Obama has done important civil rights work...

and community organizing and even mentions it from time to time, while Hillary never speaks about her more compassionate legislation. Why is that?

[elixir2]

112. Oh, give me a break. HRC talks about her advocacy all the time and why should she keep repeating it

for you?

[JackORoses]

142. back from the grave?

you won't be around long...

[MagickMuffin]

85. Shiny Happy People Holding Hands

Shiny happy people laughing
Meet me in the crowd
People people
Throw your love around
Love me love me
Take it into town
Happy happy
Put it in the ground
Where the flowers grow
Gold and silver shine

Shiny happy people holding hands
Shiny happy people laughing

Everyone around love them, love them
Put it in your hands
Take it take it
There's no time to cry
Happy happy
Put it in your heart
Where tomorrow shines
Gold and silver shine

Shiny happy people holding hands
Shiny happy people laughing

[Bongo Prophet]

93. You are hopefully unaware that "shiny" is an old racist term.

i really want to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
Just say you meant shiny as in new car, and wiggle out --- like George Allen's macaca moment.

Please consider your words more carefully, though, Massdem.
I don't think you really want to be so hurtful and dismissive.
Like "hysterical" - it can be used without knowing the historical connotations.
If you are a true democrat, and a true Clinton supporter, it is not helping our party or your candidate.

Or take pause and realize that you just brought down a great and positive thread about Sen. Clinton.
a positive thread should be celebrated here!

"shine n. (late 19C+) (US): a derog. term for a Black person. (the reflection of a blue-Black skin. As used in W.I. (West Indies) the term refers to someone with a very dark, smooth complexion and has no derog. connotations)"

Also, "shine adj. (20C) (W.I./US): Black".

Also, "shiney n. (late 19C-1930s) (US): a Black person."

But, "sunshine n. (1970s+): a general form of address, e.g. Oi! sunshine!"

[MagickMuffin]

105. WOW BP, Could MassDim be asserting a wee bit of racism?.?.?

Or as you indicate perhaps they just didn't know any better. I, too will give them the benefit of the doubt, but it will be something I will monitor in their future posts.

And here I thought she was referring to REM. I posted the lyrics up thread, here's the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbGSDkvh8B0

[Bongo Prophet]

107. I don't think so, MM - rather, i think that good dems are getting too deep into this

How Massdem answers will tell a lot, or whether, like many posters, s/he has moved on to attack others and is not answering the responses to his/her posts.
It is easy to pick up a nickname or slur, and not know the racist, sexist or homophobic implications. We see this often here.

It just seems like so many are very caught up in the battles against their perceived enemy, and will snark at them all the time. I get tired of the ones who spend all their time doing so, and never engage in some actual back and forth. When you see someone doing that for weeks, it is a good sign that they are caught up in the fever- try to ask questions politely, and if they don't respond after a try or two, they are probably not interested in dialog, only battle.

It never works to call them out, to point out that they are using right wing slurs, or let them know they are putting their candidate in a bad light - seems to only make them more virulent. Personally, I am thinking of a timeout, or at least a drastic reduction of time spent here. It is toxic in here, and my patience is wearing thin.

If they want DU to be free Republic, then there's not much I can do about it.

[elixir2]

113. BP, you are overanalyzing the lyrics of REM and are the post. The reference to shiny, happy people

is not even remotely a racial comment.

[Bongo Prophet]

122. I was responding to the other post, not the REM song, elixir2.

I agree, REM is not using racist terms.
Check the "responded to" numbers on the right, to confirm which post i was answering.

I don't think, indeed I hope, that Massdem's post was not either.
I have learned, however, that if someone uses a term that could be construed as offensive, it is best to point it out- as gently as one can muster - and give that person a way to save face and back out, and go forward with the new information.

Massdem is very adamant about his/her candidate, and I have no problem with that. The fact that s/he needed to insult the previous comment, and all Obama supporters is an additional character trait s/he should look into.



thanks for the kind way you pointed it out, however! :hi:


edit to correct muster for mister ;)

This is what I was responding to----------------------
Casssandra:
If she had been running on that...instead of how tough she can be, she would have been running a very different campaign and might have had my vote.

MassDemm:
2. It doesn't matter what she's done, just Obama is shiny, so vote for him right? nt

[cd3dem]

94. But it makes me feel hopeful!

[pathansen]

4. She kept having to defend herself against unending attacks about the war

And no one asked about these important issues during the debates.
You would think independent organizations or the media would do complete research on these candidates, esp. the types of bills they sponsor, biography facts and so on. Its an extremely important election.

[Cassandra]

27. I haven't noticed any duct tape over her mouth.

She could bring it up herself but she hasn't. My point is that if she had run her campaign (and considered her votes before the campaign) based on why a woman as POTUS would be better than/different from a man, she would have been a very different candidate. Yes, she would have drawn fire from the right as being too soft on national security but she draws fire anyway; why not have it be because of decent and humane decisions rather than trying to out-tough the tough guys. Her vote for giving Bush power that it didn't take clairvoyance to know he would misuse has been but one glaring example of her shooting herself in the foot.

[Mik T]

65. With the 400 billion plus dollars a year going into the war...Who has money for women and kids?

Just think what could be done for women and kids all over the world with that money? The fact is the war is the biggest, most costly issue and the rest of it is triviality in comparison.

She voted for the war and she is the ONE candidate being the most activly courted by the arms industry.

Frankly if it was a choice between her and McCain- at least he has ethics.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

75. women especially should not give Hillary a free pass because

Thanks to Hillary, many women lost a son, a daughter or a spouse in Iraq.

Many Iraqis lost a son, daughter, mother, father, grandmother, grandfather, aunt, uncle,
thanks to Hillary.

Vote for a women - yes.

Vote for Hillary - NO!

[pathansen]

110. Edwards, Kerry, Dodd & Bidden were not blamed for Bush's war

So why should Hillary?
They all voted for the same bill.
So why are you picking on Hillary?

[lse7581011]

63. And Mine As Well

but woulda coulda shoulda is hindsight!

[XemaSab]

88. Word

n/t

[dailykoff]

5. What about the vulnerable being abused in Iraq, Afghanistan,

Iran, and all the other place Hilly and Bill have rained bombs and blood on at the urging of their MIC backers? Frankly the hypocrisy in this post is beyond chilling, it's evil.

[Armstead]

8. That's overstating things IMO

You may or may not have a point in terms of damage done on a policy level

However, the OP was done in good faith on issues that Hillary has done good work on. It doesn't deserve to be characterized as "evil."

[dsc]

20. trust me on this he is just getting started

by the end of this thread he will be telling the OP women don't matter, just like he told gays we don't matter.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

76. the Iraq war trumps all issues

no way can Hillary make up for all of the deaths, the estimated 1 million dead in Iraq,
the millions displaced.

Nothing Hillary has EVER done can make up for this.

[Yurovsky]

103. Yep, she has blood on her hands ...

and there's no washing it off.

To make matters worse, she gave Chimpy the green light to start killing innocent Iranians as well. This woman (and many of the folks in her camp) are just PURE EVIL.

For fuck's sake, at least with the GOP they're right out front with what they are. Hill & Bill try to pretend that they're progressive Democrats, when nothing could be further from the truth.

[pathansen]

16. Blaming Clinton for Bush's war is what is evil

With only one single exception, all the senators who have been Presidential Candidates: Edwards, Kerry, Dodd and Biden also voted for the same bill.
They did so, understandably, because they were all lied to many times by the current Administration.
So why is only Hillary being blamed and picked on?
Why not Edwards or Kerry or Dodd or Biden?
Obama didn't vote for the same bill because he wasn't allowed to so we don't know for certain how he would have voted, given the same lies and propaganda.
Also Congress never authorized Bush to go to war against Iraq, only to use force against Saddan Hussien.
Even if they didn't vote for it, Bush would have found another excuse to go to war because he was determined to do so.

Also the invasion into Afghanistan had to do directly with 9/11.

So your claims of blaming Hillary for these wars is ridiculous.

[dailykoff]

19. Hilly is the one Senator who could have stopped it.

She and Bill had a huge opportunity to show a little leadership and instead they just rode the gravy train into the heart of darkness like they did for the eight years before 911. She's always been a Goldwater girl under whatever wallpaper she thinks will disguise it.

[donsu]

26. baloney . you like to make trouble

nt

[dailykoff]

33. The truth is troubling, yes,

in more ways than I could begin to explain here. But it's better that you learn it now.

[pathansen]

69. Here is proof that she is trying to stop it - Bills that she's sponsored

THESE ARE ALL BILLS SPONSORED BY HILLARY JUST THIS PAST YEAR:

S. 670: Iraq Troop Protection and Reduction Act of 2007 A bill to set forth limitations on the United States military presence in Iraq and on United States aid to Iraq for security and reconstruction, and for other purposes.

S. 2426: Congressional Oversight of Iraq Agreements Act of 2007 Directs the Legal Advisor to the Secretary of State to provide Congress with the justification (including the constitutional authority) for the President's decision to deny Congress its constitutionally protected role by concluding an agreement on the future of the security relationship between the United States and Iraq as an executive agreement

S. 1409: 21st Century GI Bill of Rights Act of 2007A bill to provide and enhance education, housing, and entrepreneur assistance for veterans who serve in the Armed Forces after September 11, 2001, and for other purposes.

There are more.

SOURCE: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022&ta...



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[WillYourVoteBCounted]

78. a trillion dollars short and 1 million dead too late

way too late, way too late for everyone.

a meaningless gesture on her part.

[Mik T]

151. Those weren't bills to end the war-read them

One was a vets benifit package

One was a bill calling into question the presidents use of power in starting it

And the other one called for an unspecified troop reduction. Someday. In the fullness of time. When the cows come home. etc. And she knew the pres would veto it anyway

[XemaSab]

92. agreed

n/t

[Avalux]

6. NO. This argument doesn't work with me.

If Hillary was so compassionate about women and children, she should have voted NO for the IWR and done everything possible to prevent Bush from bombing Iraq. So many innocent women and children dead for a mistake.

I have decided to support the candidate whom I believe is best to lead this country and it isn't Hillary.

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. how many women have a son or husband or brother who's in Iraq now

you don't think that factors into their thinking at all?

I'd imagine being a female voter is more than just choosing who was right on womens rights issues.

[pathansen]

31. Edwards, Kerry, Dodd, Bidden also voted for the same bill

All the senators who have run for President except for one, D.K., voted for that bill.
So why pick on Hillary for a war that she and the others were lied to about?

[XemaSab]

95. I held my nose and voted for Kerry in '04

Have I supported any of the others? No.

Why? Because I thought the Iraq War was a terrible idea at the time, and history has proven me right.

Anyone who trusts that Chimp for a goddamn second does not have the judgement to be president.

[Hippo_Tron]

104. Bob Graham also voted against the IWR and ran for President

And he was hardly a far left winger.

[VotesForWomen]

98. OK, so you're writing in Kucinich, right? nt

[Mik T]

117. Kucinich is a Wimp

I was at the Boston social forum where I watched him try to explain why he wouldn't speak out against the war at the 2004 democratic convention, I lost all respect for him that day. He is a total wimp and lacks the guts to stand up for the things that are important.

Personally I thought Obama and Al Sharpton and especially Sharpton did a better job of telling it like it was.

[K Gardner]

9. This woman says No Thanks.

[totodeinhere]

10. Where was Hillary when 1,000's of Rwandan women were being slaughtered?

[pathansen]

18. Hillary is only one person. She can't be expected to do everything!!

[rodeodance]

148. WHERE was Obama or you? Flame-bait.

[JTFrog]

11. JFC, quit trying to manipulate me into voting for a woman who did us no favors by voting to send our

husbands, wives and children to war. There IS NO EXCUSE for her vote for war.

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0303-23.htm

See Hillary Run (from Her Husband's Past on Iraq)
by Scott Ritter

Senator Hillary Clinton wants to become President Hillary Clinton. "I'm in, and I'm in to win," she said, announcing her plans to run for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 Presidential election. Let there be no doubt that Hillary Clinton is about as slippery a species of politician that exists, one who has demonstrated an ability to morph facts into a nebulous blob which blurs the record and distorts the truth. While she has demonstrated this less than flattering ability on a number of issues, nowhere is it so blatant as when dealing with the issue of the ongoing war in Iraq and Hillary Clinton's vote in favor of this war.

This issue won't be resolved even if Hillary Clinton apologizes for her Iraq vote, as other politicians have done, blaming their decision on faulty intelligence on Iraq's WMD capabilities. This is because, like many other Washington politicians at the time, including those now running for president, she had been witness to lies about Iraq's weapons programs to justify attacks on that country by her husband President Bill Clinton and his administration.

"While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq," Senator Clinton said at the time of her vote, in a carefully crafted speech designed to demonstrate her range of knowledge and ability to consider all options. "I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998."

Hillary would have done well to leave out that last part, the one where her husband, the former President of the United States, used military force as part of a 72-hour bombing campaign ostensibly deemed as a punitive strike in defense of disarmament, but in actuality proved to be a blatant attempt at regime change which used the hyped-up threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for action. Sound familiar? While many Americans today condemn the Bush administration for misleading them with false claims of unsubstantiated threats which resulted in the ongoing debacle we face today in Iraq (count Hillary among this crowd), few have reflected back on the day when the man from Hope, Arkansas sat in the Oval Office and initiated the policies of economic sanctions-based containment and regime change which President Bush later brought to fruition when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

...much more at link

Scott Ritter served as a former Marine Corps officer from 1984 until 1991, and as a UN weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until 1998. He is the author of several books, including "Iraq Confidential" and "Target Iran". He also co-authored "War on Iraq" with William Pitt.

[dailykoff]

12. Also the women and children working in WalMart sweatshops

that Hilly kept mum about for six years she sat on the WalMart board of directors.

[pathansen]

22. She worked for Walmart 20 years ago - 18 years before any Walmart scandals

The Union President has also written a statement strongly defending Hillary Clinton.
Twenty years ago was long before anyone knew anything about employees being abused.
That was only in the last 2 years.

[dailykoff]

23. Oh please. Like she didn't know where all that crap comes from.

Tell me another one. :nopity:

[CK_John]

30. At that time Wally World advertised everything as Made in the USA. n/t

[dailykoff]

32. She was a company director, not a consumer.

I think she knew the business.

[pathansen]

34. Walmart Union President strongly defended her

[dailykoff]

35. what union?

[Mik T]

145. There is no Union -Walmart is the most Anti Union Company in the Country

They Union bust more activly then just about any other company. Yanno why you can only get packaged meat with preservatives in it from them?

The butchers voted in a union and they were so scared it would set a precedent they fired all of them and now get their meat packaged in Argentina where most of it comes from anyway. That why its that wierd color of red. Its got 10% preservatives in it

Walmart activly brainwashes their employees with films about how evil unions are.

One of our favorite things to do here in our hometown is to wear Union yes t-shirts into walmart and see how long it takes them to sick security on us.

[MH1]

13. Obama has also sponsored many bills that benefit women.

The list is here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629&tab=bills

[pathansen]

41. ??? Name one - I already looked through these bills and found none

that directly benefits women except maybe one for Black women.
Which ones are you talking about?

[MH1]

66. WOW. Just WOW. You REALLY think none of those bills benefit women?

Un-frickin-believable.

[rodeodance]

89. Hillary has a great record.

[Le Taz Hot]

14. She doesn't get a pass

for her YES vote on the IWR which KILLS women. LOTS of them. Everything she supposedly has done for women was wiped out with that one vote.

[Rosemary2205]

15. Because, you know, Obama beats up wimmen.

Oh brother.

[Danger Mouse]

17. He also enjoys eating roasted puppies and barbecued kittens...

which he washes down with hope-flavored Kool Aid at the cult rallies.

[formernaderite]

21. I never thought I'd bring this up...but

she basically gave bill a pass on his "treatment" of women, which was not very admirable. Funny how that is never mentioned. We can go on about how is sex life is none of our business...but I always found it ironic...that he got bit by the law he signed into effect....namely that you could go into the past history of someone accused of sexual harassment to find out if other such incidents occurred. I recall how everyone was up in arms about how dare people inquire into his "past"...lol Sorry, but that chubby intern, regardless of how much she wanted him...was not in a position of power. If I had acted as Hillary's husband had...I would have been fired or sued...and we already know this had been a pattern his whole adult life.

So when we bring up the treatment of women... let's not forget the central figure in her life.

[pathansen]

44. Many other Presidents have done much worse in my opinion

Bush, Jr. - strong suspicions he's having sex with male prostitute
Bush, Sr. - When asked if he was having an affair, he actually said that it wasn't anyones business.
Jimmy Carter - O.K. to lust after other women. O.K. to commit adultry in your heart?
JFK - orgies with many women at once.

[formernaderite]

50. worse?

I'm talking about a repetitive pattern of USING women. I couldn't care less if he had an actual consenting affair with an adult of whatever sex in a non-subservient role. Look, we all know what he does....hopefully since leaving office his affairs have not followed this pattern.

You don't see a problem with his using women? It's unusually hypocritical given his public stance on respecting women.

[pathansen]

54. Clinton apologized many times but all the other Presidents get a free pass with no apology

Clinton gets impeached for private affair while all the other Presidents get no judgment whatsoever.
Its a crazy world!

[formernaderite]

61. i couldn't care less about impeachment or politics or other presidents

I'm talking about a general disdain towards women. If people post a thread trying to prove how great the clintons have been for women...I just wanted to point out they hypocrisy. I'm sure none of the women he used feel the clintons have been GREAT For women.

[MagickMuffin]

96. Your logic is tragic

Jimmy Carter - O.K. to lust after other women. O.K. to commit adultry in your heart?

Jimmy Carter admitted to something a lot of humans cope with, so he should be punished for his feelings?



JFK - orgies with many women at once.

I suppose you could dig up a dead president to rake him over the coals. It isn't enough he had his head blown off, you want to punish him for rumors and innuendo.

You:crazy:

[Carolina]

24. No thanks

IWR, the Patriot Act I & II, the Bankruptcy Bill are anti-people. I am human before I am a woman.

Speeches are cheap. Remember HRC's words to that effect just last week.

Sponsorship of bills is fine. Supporting war and corporations against people is not

This woman will pass on that woman.

[nonconformist]

68. Obama voted for Patroit Act II also nt

[jackson_dem]

111. 98 senators including Wellstone, Kennedy, Leahy, and Boxer also voted for the Patriot Act

But that doesn't stop the fire breathing from the netroots. Maybe there was a reason, all things considered, the Patriot Act received 98-1 support in October of 2001? Anything big happen the month before or something?

[donsu]

25. all true - she has always worked for women and children, that's why

neo cons and religious repugs hate her

she's a woman who won't keep her mouth shut. thank goodness.

[Mik T]

28. Yeah, well war is pretty hard on women and children and the weapons industry supports her

found THIS in the Independent archives (well respected British newspaper)It's a bit out of date but still, I think, VERY relevant.

US: Clinton Bucks The Trend and Rakes in Cash From The US Weapons Industry

by Leonard Doyle, The Independent (UK)
October 19th, 2007




The US arms industry is backing Hillary Clinton for President and has all but abandoned its traditional allies in the Republican party. Mrs Clinton has also emerged as Wall Street's favourite. Investment bankers have opened their wallets in unprecedented numbers for the New York senator over the past three months and, in the process, dumped their earlier favourite, Barack Obama.1019 02

Mrs Clinton's wooing of the defence industry is all the more remarkable given the frosty relations between Bill Clinton and the military during his presidency. An analysis of campaign contributions shows senior defence industry employees are pouring money into her war chest in the belief that their generosity will be repaid many times over with future defence contracts.

Employees of the top five US arms manufacturers - Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop-Grumman, General Dynamics and Raytheon - gave Democratic presidential candidates $103,900, with only $86,800 going to the Republicans. "The contributions clearly suggest the arms industry has reached the conclusion that Democratic prospects for 2008 are very good indeed," said Thomas Edsall, an academic at Columbia University in New York.

Republican administrations are by tradition much stronger supporters of US armaments programmes and Pentagon spending plans than Democratic governments. Relations between the arms industry and Bill Clinton soured when he slimmed down the military after the end of the Cold War. His wife, however, has been careful not to make the same mistake.

After her election to the Senate, she became the first New York senator on the armed services committee, where she revealed her hawkish tendencies by supporting the invasion of Iraq. Although she now favours a withdrawal of US troops, her position on Iran is among the most warlike of all the candidates - Democrat or Republican.

This week, she said that, if elected president, she would not rule out military strikes to destroy Tehran's nuclear weapons facilities. While on the armed services committee, Mrs Clinton has befriended key generals and has won the endorsement of General Wesley Clarke, who ran Nato's war in Kosovo. A former presidential candidate himself, he is spoken of as a potential vice-presidential running mate.

Mrs Clinton has been a regular visitor to Iraq and Afghanistan and is careful to focus her criticisms of the Iraq war on President Bush, rather than the military. The arms industry has duly taken note.

So far, Mrs Clinton has received $52,600 in contributions from individual arms industry employees. That is more than half the sum given to all Democrats and 60 per cent of the total going to Republican candidates. Election fundraising laws ban individuals from donating more than $4,600 but contributions are often "bundled" to obtain influence over a candidate.

The arms industry has even deserted the biggest supporter of the Iraq war, Senator John McCain, who is also a member of the armed services committee and a decorated Vietnam War veteran. He has been only $19,200. Weapons-makers are equally unimpressed by the former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Despite a campaign built largely around the need for an aggressive US military and a determination to stay the course in Iraq, he is behind Mrs Clinton in the affections of arms executives. Mr Giuliani may be suffering because of his strong association with the failed policies of President Bush and the fact he is he is known as a social liberal.

Mrs Clinton's closest competitor in raising cash from the arms industry is the former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, who raised just $32,000.

"Arms industry profits are so heavily dependent on government contracts that companies in this field want to be sure they do not have hostile relations with the White House," added Mr Edsall.

The industry's strong support for Mrs Clinton indicates that she is their firm favourite to win the Democratic nomination in the spring and the presidential election in November 2008. In the last presidential race, George Bush raised more than $800,000 - twice the sum collected by his Democratic rival John Kerry.

Mr Edsall's analysis of the figures reveals that, over the past 10 years, the defence industry has favoured Republicans over Democrats by a 3-2 margin, making Mrs Clinton's position even more remarkable.

[VotesForWomen]

99. OK, so you're writing in Kucinich, right? nt

[Mik T]

118. Don't insult me, Kucinich is a wimp who lacks the strength of his own convictions.

I'd rather vote Socialist Workers Party then write in Kucinich, at least they stand up for what they believe in. Kucinich is beyond useless. I've watched him in action, He hasn't got the guts to stand up to his own party at all. Where was he at the 2004 convention when he could really have said something against the war?

Panting on the sidelines hoping for scraps like the rest of the suck ups.

[pathansen]

108. Bush's war is not Hillary's fault

And if you look at the Bills she has been sponsoring, you will see that she has been a primary Senator taking steps to stop this war.

[Mik T]

115. Then Why Is the Weapons Industry Funding her?

found THIS in the Independent archives (well respected British newspaper)It's a bit out of date but still, I think, VERY relevant.

US: Clinton Bucks The Trend and Rakes in Cash From The US Weapons Industry

by Leonard Doyle, The Independent (UK)
October 19th, 2007




The US arms industry is backing Hillary Clinton for President and has all but abandoned its traditional allies in the Republican party. Mrs Clinton has also emerged as Wall Street's favourite. Investment bankers have opened their wallets in unprecedented numbers for the New York senator over the past three months and, in the process, dumped their earlier favourite, Barack Obama.1019 02

Mrs Clinton's wooing of the defence industry is all the more remarkable given the frosty relations between Bill Clinton and the military during his presidency. An analysis of campaign contributions shows senior defence industry employees are pouring money into her war chest in the belief that their generosity will be repaid many times over with future defence contracts.

Employees of the top five US arms manufacturers - Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop-Grumman, General Dynamics and Raytheon - gave Democratic presidential candidates $103,900, with only $86,800 going to the Republicans. "The contributions clearly suggest the arms industry has reached the conclusion that Democratic prospects for 2008 are very good indeed," said Thomas Edsall, an academic at Columbia University in New York.

Republican administrations are by tradition much stronger supporters of US armaments programmes and Pentagon spending plans than Democratic governments. Relations between the arms industry and Bill Clinton soured when he slimmed down the military after the end of the Cold War. His wife, however, has been careful not to make the same mistake.

After her election to the Senate, she became the first New York senator on the armed services committee, where she revealed her hawkish tendencies by supporting the invasion of Iraq. Although she now favours a withdrawal of US troops, her position on Iran is among the most warlike of all the candidates - Democrat or Republican.

This week, she said that, if elected president, she would not rule out military strikes to destroy Tehran's nuclear weapons facilities. While on the armed services committee, Mrs Clinton has befriended key generals and has won the endorsement of General Wesley Clarke, who ran Nato's war in Kosovo. A former presidential candidate himself, he is spoken of as a potential vice-presidential running mate.

Mrs Clinton has been a regular visitor to Iraq and Afghanistan and is careful to focus her criticisms of the Iraq war on President Bush, rather than the military. The arms industry has duly taken note.

So far, Mrs Clinton has received $52,600 in contributions from individual arms industry employees. That is more than half the sum given to all Democrats and 60 per cent of the total going to Republican candidates. Election fundraising laws ban individuals from donating more than $4,600 but contributions are often "bundled" to obtain influence over a candidate.

The arms industry has even deserted the biggest supporter of the Iraq war, Senator John McCain, who is also a member of the armed services committee and a decorated Vietnam War veteran. He has been only $19,200. Weapons-makers are equally unimpressed by the former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Despite a campaign built largely around the need for an aggressive US military and a determination to stay the course in Iraq, he is behind Mrs Clinton in the affections of arms executives. Mr Giuliani may be suffering because of his strong association with the failed policies of President Bush and the fact he is he is known as a social liberal.

Mrs Clinton's closest competitor in raising cash from the arms industry is the former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, who raised just $32,000.

"Arms industry profits are so heavily dependent on government contracts that companies in this field want to be sure they do not have hostile relations with the White House," added Mr Edsall.

The industry's strong support for Mrs Clinton indicates that she is their firm favourite to win the Democratic nomination in the spring and the presidential election in November 2008. In the last presidential race, George Bush raised more than $800,000 - twice the sum collected by his Democratic rival John Kerry.

Mr Edsall's analysis of the figures reveals that, over the past 10 years, the defence industry has favoured Republicans over Democrats by a 3-2 margin, making Mrs Clinton's position even more remarkable.

[cooolandrew]

29. Without a big win more women will fall into poverty, lose rights, and have less safety...

...I respect that yes history will be made if Hilary manages to win 2008, but her negatives lead to no strengthening of power with few added seats in congress to do anything for women in legislation. The large win that Barack can win from the influx of republican votes means more women can be lifted out of poverty a main cause of domestic violence world wide.

[AtomicKitten]

36. I NEED to not vote for Hillary.

They're trying to make me vote for Hillary, and I say no, no, no.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

37. BILLARY is DOING NOTHING FOR WOMAN if SHE CANNOT CONTROL HER HUSBAND's POLITICAL AGENDA

ALl of those bills are notable, but please do tell us what is Obama's position on them?

The notion that the economy or the war are not the most important issues facing women is sexist.

[OzarkDem]

47. She did on breast cancer issues

She helped set the agenda, working with breast cancer advocacy groups and personally oversaw her husband's administration's efforts to get it done. He did whatever she asked him to do, gave her free reign.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

81. she certainly sets a good example - of a door mat

I dread the idea of hearing about Bill's dallying with the interns if somehow Clintonia
gets its way back into the white house.

How do I explain to my daughter?

Its ok to screw around?

Don't expect your husband to be faithful or respect you?

Lie when you get caught doing wrong?

[Apollo11]

146. Unfair. Since 1999, Hillary owns Bill.

Since it was revealed that Bill did make misleading statements about his relationship with Ms Lewinsky, and since 50 Senators voted that Bill was guilty of "obstructing justice" back in February 1999, Hillary has been the boss.

Bill now spends almost all his time helping Hillary's political career. First he helped her get elected to the US Senate. Now he is helping her Presidential campaign. Everything from fundraising events to cold calling Superdelegates.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

38. Critical Reasons Why Women Need to NOT Vote for Hillary Clinton

OH.......... WHO NEEDS MORE THAN ONE REASON:

Let's just throw out ONE:

The War.

[IndianaGreen]

39. This woman won't vote for a woman that made it possible for Iraqi women to lose their rights

During Baathist rule, Iraqi women were among the most emancipated in the Gulf region. Now that we "liberated" them, Iraqi women are being beaten, murdered, and driven into exile by the fundies we put in power.

[VotesForWomen]

100. OK, so you're writing in Kucinich, right? nt

[Mik T]

128. Is that the only thing you know how to say?

Pretty weak if you ask me.

[Yael]

40. Vote for her just because she is a woman?

This woman's vote goes to Senator Obama.

:hi:

[pathansen]

48. Didn't you even bother to read what I said?

She's a true friend to women and many others.
Don't just listen to speeches. Its their actions behind the words that really count.

[Yael]

52. Yes and 'womens issues' are not my priority. Ending divisiveness is.

[Whisp]

42. her bad work outweights whatever good work she did.

in dead bodies and human suffering.

I can't consider that a good trade off.

[blm]

43. Hillary MADE SURE there was more violence in those regions as she UNDERMINED Gore and Kerry

during their elections so Bush would stay in office until Hillary2008 could take over.

Don't even TRY and pretend that she cared about those issues, because no one who TRULY cared would have worked against Gore then Kerry in 2000 and 2004.

As observed here:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

As noted in Bill's consistent and timely defense of Bush in 2004:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

As noted by Carville's actions sabotaging Ohio voters on election night:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[smoogatz]

45. Hillary's a fine senator. No question about it.

And I certainly wouldn't presume to tell anyone—let alone an entire gender—how to vote. My take, though, is that given the choice Hillary's much more likely to serve entrenched corporate interests than the interests of the people, much more likely to continue Bush's illegal and unconscionable voiding of habeas corpus, treaty law, and the 1st and 4th amendments, much more likely to enter into another disastrous foreign war with Iran, and much less likely to deal effectively with the climate change crisis. For me, these issues are what's on the front burner in this election. The National Women's Rights History Project Act? A fine and worthy undertaking, no doubt—but not really the stuff that keeps me up at night.

[OzarkDem]

46. She has an excellent record on breast cancer issues

During Bill's administration she PERSONALLY worked on getting a 700% increase in research funding, insurance coverage for mammograms, billions of federal funds for breast & cervical cancer screening and Medicaid coverage for uninsured breast and cervical cancer patients.

She did whatever was asked of her and did it willingly, quickly. EVERY single advance that has been made in eradicating breast cancer since 1992 (and before that, nothing was done) has been due to her work.

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. FORGET ALL THAT! She voted for the IWR!

Nothing she has ever done in her life to help women and children matters now because she voted for the IWR.:eyes:

[pathansen]

51. Because she was lied to many times about it just like Kerry, Edwards, Dodd, Biden

They all voted for the same bill because they were all told repeatedly that Hussien had weapons of mass destruction and was involved in 9/11.
Are you people that dense?

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. Excuse me...I'm a Hillary supporter. Did you miss my rolling eyes?

:) I was being sarcastic...guess I should have used the sarcasm tag instead.:)

[pathansen]

71. Sorry!!

[Mik T]

58. Hillary is not that much of a fool

If it was all so innocent than why is the weapons industry backing her 3/1 in dollars over any other candidate?

War is the biggest anti-woman racket out there. She is into it neck deep. Who gives a crap about all her tiny good deeds when she is the coddled pet of the military-industrial complex?

You Hillary supporters see what you want to see and no matter how many times we tell you the truth you always have excuses for her. You are like the children of alcoholics. You do women no favors hiding behind her out of a committment to your gender.

Ya need to go to waroholics anonymous and try and figure out why you are going to support a warmonger just because she is a woman

I'm not in love with Obama but I am going to give him a shot. His supporters certianly have better credientials.

[pathansen]

74. I stick with the facts - check out all the bills she has sponsored just last year

See:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022&tab=bills

[Arugula Latte]

67. We're not dense. WE knew Bushco was lying.

Saddam involved in 9-11? If Hillary was stupid enough to believe that she should be disqualified from public office.

[XemaSab]

97. Couldn't have said it better.

n/t

[Garbo 2004]

127. Oh please, that's a fig leaf candidates have used. None of them were that stupid to not

know what the Bush administration was up to, why the bill came up for vote a month before the 2002 election, and that there was NO evidence that Saddam was involved in 9/11.

Think politcal calulations and ambitions had no sway on their votes? Turned out to be the wrong choice, however much they have tried to spin their decisions after the fact, and it's indeed been an albatross to Kerry, Edwards and Clinton. Yes they all did get hit on the subject. Perhaps you've simply forgotten.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. Most Definitely Some Great Reasons To Support Her, Among The Many Others.

[Laurab]

55. I'm a woman and - no thank you.

And not because of her IWR vote, or any ONE reason - there are probably a hundred reasons I will not vote for Hillary. I don't trust her, I don't think her judgement is sound, and I really don't like the way she's running her campaign, but those are just a few reasons. And now, I read that she's prepared to break rules and have legal challenges if she doesn't win - nope, that's not what I'm looking for in a president - in fact, it reminds me of the way bushco works.

If in fact she cheats to win the nomination, this dem voter will not be voting for her.

[LadyVT]

56. Thanks so much for this post!

[AGirl]

59. I agree K and R

[ShortnFiery]

60. No, I'm a woman and a military veteran. I will vote for OBAMA who will support Civil Rights!

Go Obama! :patriot:

[VotesForWomen]

101. you think hillary doesn't support civil rights? please. no wonder people say O folks are deluded.

[Mik T]

124. Maybe you ought to provide some facts with your snappy comebacks.

After all, I am a woman. She is, in fact, my senator. She refused to debate the green party candidate who ran for her seat here in NY because Hawkins was against the war and she knew he was gonna bring it up. She pulled all the strings she had with the media and she got her way too. She likes to play an unfair game. That's her deal.
She has no interest in discussing the facts because it might interfere with winning. As far as I can see that hasn't changed.

How about this from It takes a Village?

"The best family for any child is still a mother and a father"

My gay friends love that one. Not.

[ShortnFiery]

126. Now, don't disrespect us old folk (> 40). I am not voting for HRC because of her husbands' DLC.

:evilgrin: No way do I wish for a 3rd term for a heavily stacked DLC (right wing democratic organization) Executive Branch within 15 years.

Somehow I'll drag my old carcass to the polls ... maybe even volunteer if I can get a good charge out of my Power Chair. :P ;) :hi:

[LordJFT]

62. IWR, cluster-bombs, Kyl-Lieberman

[NJmaverick]

64. So all woman should vote for Hillary, does that mean all men

should vote for Obama? I mean if you are arguing strict self interest....

[pathansen]

77. Not at all - Hillary supports many men's issues such as war veterans

See the bills she has sponsored at:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022&tab=bills

[NJmaverick]

82. SO? Obama supports many women's issues

yet that didn't stop you from making this nonsensical claim that women should vote Hillary.

[pathansen]

109. When I looked up the bills he sponsored, couldn't find any

Also, when I looked up his accomplishments under Wikipedia, couldn't find much of anything either except for civil rights.

I know there are things I like about him but also some things like the present votes that bother me.

[CreekDog]

70. I'm a guy so I guess I don't count as someone who would find this compelling

I mean that's the logic you are peddling.

:shrug:

[pathansen]

79. Please see above post. Hillary also supports many veterans rights

That's primarily a guy issue.

[CreekDog]

83. I don't know if you are joking

but i vote to protect women's rights all the time. it's not only women who must vote to protect women's rights.

i just don't think Hillary is necessarily better (or worse) than Obama in this regard.

the quality of the candidate is more important than the gender or race of the candidate.

[pathansen]

84. I agree with that but was looking at her past record not her sex.

And it looks better than Obama's as far as women's issues go.

[CreekDog]

121. With her current campaign, do you really think she can get elected to do more on women's issues?

I'm thinking no. It's been a disaster of a campaign.

That's a consideration that I make as well. That is, the ability to implement the policies the candidate is supporting and that includes getting elected to implement them.

[VotesForWomen]

102. do you not care about racial minority issues, either? sheesh, i'm white, but that doesn't mean i ca

can't see the need to do things to advance the position and condition of racial minorities in this country.

[CreekDog]

123. did you even read my message? i'm white and i care about all issues

women's and minority issues, though i am neither.

i thought the OP was presumptuous in suggesting that women rather than others should vote a certain way because of women's issues.

[Arugula Latte]

72. I'm a woman ... who definitely WON'T be voting for Hillary in the primary. nt

[shayes51]

73. I'm already there.

[NC_Nurse]

80. I prefer Obama, for many reasons. I'm glad that Clinton is in the

Senate, I would prefer she stay there.

[Bongo Prophet]

86. Thank you for a positive post about the accomplishments of Senator Clinton.

This is to be commended - we need more DUers to do similar posts!


:hi:

[rodeodance]

87. Thank you--very good record on Hillary working for Women's Equality--I will pass it around

[ShortnFiery]

90. This woman and military veteran will vote for Obama - he'll support all Americans' Civil Rights ...

and NOT continue the same old DYSFUNCTIONAL act of "divide and conquer" politics. :thumbsup:

Go Obama :patriot:

[rodeodance]

106. yeah ya--2x now. we gottcha.

[ShortnFiery]

120. Thanks rodeodance, I can always depend on your thoughtful "attention to detail"

;)

[RoadRage]

91. Try posting "Reasons why Black people should vote for Obama" and see how far you get...

DON'T VOTE BASED ON SEX. DON'T VOTE BASED ON RACE.

VOTE FOR THE DAMN CANDIDATE THAT IS BEST FOR YOUR IDEALS.

[pathansen]

114. If Obama had done the same things, I would be voting for him

It has nothing to do with race or sex.

[Garbo 2004]

116. If it's not abt gender why your OP: why women "need" to vote for Hillary? Why not "everyone?"

[RoadRage]

129. Thank You.... EXACTLY MY POINT.

Don't say "Women must vote for Hillary" and then defend that statement with "It's not about gender". Wow.. just wow!

[MzShellG]

119. Hillary won't do any more for women than Barack will IMO. nt

[Barack_America]

125. How on God's good Earth would the...

"Global Poverty Act" and the "Communities of Color Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act" NOT affect women?!?!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1790

And FWIW, this woman will be voting for Obama in PA on April 22.

[rosesaylavee]

130. Good positive post about her work.

Thank you.

[Mik T]

132. Too bad the Iraq war she voted for cost us all so much

On the upside she will probably use that as an excuse to cut social services to women and kids.

Just like her husband did.

[rosesaylavee]

133. How does my attempt at civility deserve your rudeness?

She is not my candidate but I see no reason not to acknowledge the positive aspects of her work.

[Mik T]

138. It wasn't intended to be rude

I didn't call you a name or insult you. That's pretty much the way us Italians talk here in NY. I don't like the candidate but I'm pretty sure I usually leave the personal out of it. Sorry if it got your back up but I still happen to think that in light of the fact that she supports the war, the rest of the work she has done has a tiny impact in comparison.

I am basically fed up with this woman and if she ends up being the candidate I'm gonna vote Green or Socialist Workers Party. She's been my senator for a while now and I kept waiting for her to do something ethical or useful and it just didnt happen. She took my civil rights away when she signed the patriot act, She took my money and our country's self respect when she voted for the war and for the continued funding. She has helped to suck even more of upstates tax money to support NYC even though we have less of it then the city residents...blah blah blah...the list goes on.

[rosesaylavee]

139. I didn't take it as an insult

I am just so damnably tired of the bickering about Clinton and Obama on this site. I think its a huge waste of time when we should be focusing on much more important matters. As I said, she is not my candidate for the reasons you state and many many others. I know that I have zip chance of changing minds here as others are reading what I read and coming to other conclusions.

Perhaps I am more than a bit snippy this evening ... and I apologize. I thought the OP was stating something positive for a change and thought that encouragement of that trend would be a good thing. I much prefer reading why people are voting FOR someone as we have read ad nauseum why they are all not voting for the other person.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

131. Wow ,that's really great, what she's done, I definately agree

she's done a lot for women,

Do you know by any chance if she's the Only woman Ever to be a strong advocate for women? I'm just curious because it would be so much more impressive if she were the Only woman to ever work on women's issues, you know?

Because, if Hillary is not the Only woman to be an advocate for women, then why would this make her the best choice for president,

I mean, if that's your top criteria, then why not pick someone with possibly even More experience working for women's rights?

Or is Hillary really the only woman who has ever advocated for women?

[Obamaman2008]

134. No candidate is Pro-Violence against Women n/t

[AZBlue]

135. Ask the women of Iraq how she's helped them.

I'm not saying that she hasn't done what you've listed above to further the rights of women - she has and I applaud those efforts. However, that's not reason enough to support someone for President.

[pathansen]

144. She has been sponsoring major bills to get us out of Iraq

See above links.

[Auntie Bush]

136. But, but, but, she didn't divorce her husband and she didn't stay home an bake cookies.

Now which is more important?

[ErnestoG]

137. She knows what side of her bread is buttered

by the Big Dawg. She didnt want to divorce him because she had ambitions politically in which she needed his help.

My guess is that by now she wish she would have divorced his ass, for all the help he's been

[Auntie Bush]

141. Did it ever occur to you that she loved him? Besides that was a very sexist

remark as if someone as highly qualified as Hillary couldn't make it on her own. "She knows what side of her bread is buttered"

Well, she sure must want to be president pretty badly to put up with a man she hated for all these years...and she knew how demanding that job can be.
So all the power to her. Anyone who runs for president MUST want to be president awfully badly. I actually worry sometimes if Obama weren't more interested in a movement and being the 2nd MLK...than being president of the US of A. Anyway, that's not what I'm looking for in a president. I want them to look out for me and all the others like me. Or is that being too selfish?

[rodeodance]

147. YOU have no right to question her motives!--

[goldcanyonaz]

140. She's got my vote!

[LulaMay]

143. Yes! We need her. She is more liberal than Obama

[mod mom]

149. East Liverpool OH Toxic Waste Incinerator-Hillary Involved

Here is a portion of activist/mother, Terri Swearingen's acceptance speech for the Goldman Environmental Prize, given April 14, 1997:



I am not a scientist or a Ph.D. I am a nurse and a housewife, but my most important credential is that I am a mother. In 1982, I was pregnant with our one and only child. That's when I first learned of plans to build one of the world's largest toxic waste incinerators in my community. When they began site preparation to begin building the incinerator in 1990, my life changed forever. I'd like to share with you some of the lessons I have learned from my experiences over the past seven years.

One of the main lessons I have learned from the WTI experience is that we are losing our democracy. How have I come to this sad realization? Democracy is defined by Merriam Webster as "government by the people, especially rule of the majority," and "the common people constituting the source of political authority." The definition of democracy no longer fits with the reality of what is happening in East Liverpool, Ohio. For one thing, it is on the record that the majority of people in the Ohio Valley do not want the WTI hazardous waste incinerator in their area, and they have been opposed to the project from its inception. Some of our elected officials have tried to help us, but the forces arrayed against us have been stronger than we or they had imagined. Public concerns and protests have been smothered with meaningless public hearings, voodoo risk assessment and slick legal maneuvering.

Government agencies that were set up to protect public health and the environment only do their job if it does not conflict with corporate interests. Our current reality is that we live in a "wealthocracy" big money simply gets what it wants. In this wealthocracy, we see three dynamics at play: corporations versus the planet, the government versus the people, and corporate consultants or "experts" versus common sense. In the case of WTI, we have seen all three.

The second lesson I have learned ties directly to the first, and that is that corporations can control the highest office in the land. When Bill Clinton and Al Gore came to the Ohio Valley, they called the siting of the WTI hazardous waste incinerator next door to a 400 student elementary school, in the middle of an impoverished Appalachian neighborhood, immediately on the bank of the Ohio River in a flood plain an "UNBELIEVABLE IDEA." They said we ought to have control over where these things are located. They even went so far as to say they would stop it. But then they didn't! What has been revealed in all this is that there are forces running this country that are far more powerful than the President and the Vice President. This country trumpets to the world how democratic it is, but it's funny that I come from a community that our President dare not visit because he cannot witness first hand the injustice which he has allowed in the interest of a multinational corporation, Von Roll of Switzerland. And the Union Bank of Switzerland. And Jackson Stephens, a private investment banker from Arkansas. These forces are far more relevant to our little town than the President of the United States! And he is the one who made it that way. He has chosen that path. We didn't choose it for him. We begged him to come to East Liverpool, but he refused. We begged the head of EPA to come, but she refused. She hides behind the clever maneuvering of lawyers and consultants who obscure the dangers of the reckless siting of this facility with theoretical risk assessments.

-snip

http://www.ohiocitizen.org/campaigns/wti/et0897s17.html

WANT TO KNOW HOW HILLARY WAS INVOLVED ?

Ask Hillary About This Tonight. I Dare You.
by Zwoof

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 03:40:46 AM PST

-snip

While I was writing the original piece on the history of this foul project, a new ruling from the Ohio EPA allowed this incinerator, located 1,100 feet from an elementary school, to accept even more hazardous waste (anthrax, radioactive waste, infectious medical waste and mixed hazardous waste from Hurricane Katrina) than the original permit that was shrouded in corruption and approved by the Clinton Administration

Clinton and Al Gore promised the residents of East Liverpool, Ohio that they would not allow this incinerator originally approved by Bush '41 to operate. However, a Clinton EPA appointee, recommended by his classmate Hillary Clinton, approved the permit.

This is a tangled tale of corporatism, broken promises and an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786


IF YOU'D LIKE TO KNOW EVEN MORE I HAVE IT POSTED ON MY JOURNAL. BOTH CLINTONS CHOSE TO DO A FAVOR FOR A CLINTON/BUSH/BCCI FINANCIER OVER WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, THE PEOPLE OF THIS IMPOVERISHED REGION AND ALL THOSE WHO LIVE DOWN RIVER FROM THIS SITE! THE LOS DIARY HAS EXCELLENT REFERENCES TO REVIEW IF YOU ARE A DOUBTER.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

150. I suppose roughly half of the million dead Iraqis weren't women and girls?

She could've helped when it mattered most by reading the NIE and voting against the IWR AND by leading her D colleagues in active dissent against the War. Instead she banged the drum. How did that help women?

[pathansen]

152. Stop blaming Hillary for Bush's war!

Hillary has been taking action to stop this war.
See above for several bills she has been sponsoring.