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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:56 AM
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Al Hunt On MTP "Axelrod and company have run circles around The Clinton campaign"
he continues; "they weren't prepared for a protracted battle, they weren't prepared for a money fight, they weren't prepared for caucuses, they weren't prepared for a tough alternative". "these people couldn't adjust". Hillary Clinton said in December that this was going to be over by February 5th. It reminded me of a certain administration that went to war claiming that we would be "greeted as liberators" and the war would be over in two weeks. The Clintons, just as The Bush regime are getting their asses handed to them now for lack of foresight-which is why I am supporting Barack Obama.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:58 AM
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1. Easy to do with the media running interference for you
The media does everything for Obama except drive his voters to the polls.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:59 AM
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2. Blame someone else. It's the Clinton way.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:59 AM
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3. No. Actually, it is voters driving the media to Barack......
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:45 AM
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20. Hill/Bill were wrong from Day One on this campaign. Clinton's Pro-war agenda
on Iraq, Bill's anti-U.S. worker NAFTA signing/support has endured the Clintons to Bill's golfing partner, International diplomat Bush Sr. but has cost the Clintons the White House.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:03 AM
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5. you're not calling the right people then Bill
Chris Matthews himself came to our house and drove my wife and I to the polls down here in Lake Worth-you shoulda seen him in his limo drivers hat
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:04 AM
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6. No excuses. They should have been ready for that, too.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 10:04 AM by ocelot
And don't tell me the Clintons have no pull in the media. There are plenty of media types who've been clearly on their side (Crawford, Begala, Carville, Krugman, just to name a few). Sad fact is they badly miscalculated how this thing would play out. They assumed they'd have it nailed down after Feb. 5 and they had no Plan B to turn to when that didn't happen. The media suck but we know that and they know it, but the media didn't botch their campaign.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:05 AM
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8. Funny, didn't the Clinton's spike a story in CQ that they didn't like?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:11 AM
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9. oh yea another nice parallel and very Bush-like
so the Clintons don't like the way MSNBC-especially Matthews were operating so what do they try and do? Get one of the networks best up and coming reporters fired. Again, like Bush in the Islamic world, instead of bringing people IN- she pokes a stick in their eye
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:02 AM
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4. The parallels are stunning.
Hillary's campaign is a lot like Bush's campaign in Iraq.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:05 AM
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7. you like my analogy B-7?
It occurred to me this morning-so the question remains do we want another candidate that will tell us what they THINK will happen and has no contingency plans? I think not...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:13 AM
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11. I've been thinking the same thing.
They went into this without a plan past a certain point and no plan B. They also neglected to plan for the caucuses. I like the analogy a lot.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:11 AM
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10. It just came on here. Russert is skewering the Clinton Camp for the flip-flop on
MI and FL issue. I've never quite seen it laid out that clearly and convincingly.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:14 AM
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12. I"d like to see the transcript of that! And compare keeping Solis in place after such incompetence
I don't think it's so much that Clintons are like Bushes.

It's just what happens when you have lived with a certain amount of power at your disposal for long periods of time.

It warps your judgement.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:15 AM
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14. I agree. This is astounding to listen to. "absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:14 AM
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13. OK.. it's almost embarassing to watch Chuck Schumer try to justify this. How many good
politicians is she going to take down with her? This really damages his credibility with me. Its old D.C. dirty politics at its best.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:16 AM
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15. In her arrogance, Hillary thought she'd get the nomination handed to her.
There is a similarity with Bush, the sense of entitlement that comes with the establishment and big money politics. That which says FU to ordinary people because they are in control and will get what they want.

Hasn't worked out so well for Hillary and it's wonderful. We can now hopefully put an end to the Bush and Clinton monarchies and move forward in this country.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:17 AM
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16. I made that analogy a while ago
Expect my lawyers to be calling Mr. Hunt.
:)
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:20 AM
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17. Curse you Magic Rat
...and here I thought I actually had an original thought-for once
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:35 AM
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18. Here is what I think for what its worth
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 10:36 AM by tibbiit
The Clinton's have watched the bush regime for the last 8 years ignore facts, do as they want, grab power, spit in the eye of the press, ignore subpoena's, turn everything into a political office, fire attorney's, grab untold money for their donors and on and on infinity.
Everything the Clinton's did in their 8 years was picked to the smallest nit.
They are pissed this happened to them and envious of the bush regime that has been given a free pass by everyone but us.
They have planned to rule this time as the bush's have these past years using the bush play-book. (Even though they could never be as evil as Bush)

Their problem is the people and the press wont let them do it like bush and they aren't allowed to push the brazen lawbreaking like bush. (The bus-hies have been really genius in trouble making, graft, corruption, death, and manipulation.)

It's not fair at all. I want either of our candidates to win.
The Clinton's just weren't ready for Obama, or not being treated as Bush has.

tib


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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:37 AM
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19. Axelrod is Rove without the evil.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 10:37 AM by book_worm
A true politicial genius.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:58 AM
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21. Obviously True Analysis
How can the Clinton(s) campaign deny this analysis?

It is obviously true.

Furthermore, it is the lamest of lame excuses to blame the media for the fact that they were out-organized by the Obama campaign.

Denying this analysis will only make them look more out of touch, leading to even further erosion from their campaign.

When the history of this primary season is written, it will be seen that the "Hillary is inevitable" theme that emerged in October and November of 2007, was the beginning of the end. It might have been a decent rhetorical ploy to create momentum, but the problem was that the Clinton(s) campaign then started to believe their own propaganda.

Finally, what this analysis means is that the ability for Clinton(s) to turn this around is minimal. How do you set up a fully functional ground game for
Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania in just a couple of weeks?

The likely outcome? Obama wins them all.
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