How many people are going to be tired of being preached at after

[glowing]

4 years? Everytime I hear Obama, I think I'm in church. Is the rest of the world and ourselves going to like being Preached at for 4 years. Will it make everyone feel better as the Depression looms on to hear a Preacher call out from the depths of his soul, to tell us to pull up our boot straps and have a little more hope? Personally, I'm already tired of being Preached at. I don't have stake in this pony show anymore.... I can only HOPE it doesn't go as badly as I think it will.

[FrenchieCat]

1. Well, he's Black. He can only be a preacher....

cause only White People can be leaders, right? :sarcasm:

[Bluebear]

3. Yeah, everytime I think of a minister, I think Black. (sarcasm) What a fool you are. nt

[FrenchieCat]

5. I'm nobody's fool.......

especially yours.

Am also not stupid.

[Bluebear]

8. You're the biggest kind of race-baiting fool, unfortunately.

[11 Bravo]

37. No, you just play one on an internet forum.

[gerrilea]

9. You need to stop drinking the koolaid!

Your rationale is so bizzare...

[Bluebear]

10. I believe you meant to post that to the one above me.

[gerrilea]

13. Sorry yes I did...thanks !

[ShortnFiery]

22. Sorry, but many of us feel otherwise ... like Frenchie Cat

"You need to stop drinking the koolaid! Your rationale is so bizzare..."

This one is at you dear Bluebear. :hi:

[Bluebear]

28. Sorry, but the poster meant to post it to FrenchieCat.

And said so.

I voted for John Edwards, I drank no "koolaid", dear Fiery. And to insert race into this OP is a disgrace.

[ShortnFiery]

34. Point taken dear Bluebear.

But I'm not giving up on you. I honestly believe that Obama will staff his Executive Branch with energized leaders who will promote Civil Rights for *all* people.

I'm not injecting race, but I'm also not going to give up trying to convince you that Obama is the better of the two candidates. But I will do my best to do this - with respect- :-) :hi:

[glowing]

21. No.. You have turned this into a racial thing and it is not. Why do you

do that.. I used to admire some of your posts.. Now, you shout and push the race card. He is preaching. NO DOUBT about it. I don't give a shit if he's purple.. I can call what I see and he is using Preaching techniques. Hey its working.. I just don't think it will work if he doesn't have really good plans to drastically change the way we are and move this country in the most Progressive Push that this Century and this World are waiting/ begging for. Knowing his policies, they aren't drastic enough... and the HOPE doesn't fill bellies.

[Florida22ndDistrict]

40. re:

Wow you guys have issues. Being preached at has nothing to do with race, its about religion. After 7 years, going on 8 of the “religious right” in control of our government I'm quite sick of the religious undertones that are constantly expressed by our political leader as well. I believe strongly in the first amendment, and feel people have every right to what ever religion or lack thereof they chose, but my preference is to keep that to your church/temple/mosque/alter and in your circle of like minded friends. Religious tolerance sometimes requires you to restrain your religious tendencies in an attempt to respect every others right to their own beliefs. The poster has a valid issue.

[glowing]

47. Thank you.. I don't care what color anyone is or what is or is not hanging

between their legs.... Its the Religion I don't like... I decided a long time ago.. their is no house that God has ever built.. Men have built every temple and its those walls that keep the free thought, love, and kindness from really making a "heaven" on earth.

[Stinky The Clown]

52. I'm sorry, Frenchie .... but I kinda agree with the OP

We've talked about this before, you and I. He definitely uses a sort of preacher voice when he does his big speeches. the inflections seem affected and are very much absent when he's just talking.

I've noticed it an people who have no idea of my politics have mentioned it more than once.

We can say whatever we want about him, support him o not, but that 'preacher' inflection really is there. And some people are bothered by it. Some people just notice it.

[frogcycle]

2. hey, it worked for FDR

Maybe the working phrase will be "We have nothing to hope for but hope itself"

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

4. After 8 years of the dim one, I look forward to such an intelligent

man leading the country, and I will tune in to every speech the man cares to give.

[saltpoint]

6. Every time I hear George W. Bush, I think I'm in a hyena colony.

Oratory wears many different hats.

Obama's haberdashery is top-drawer.

[LittleClarkie]

7. You might be mistaking his campaign style for his governing style

He hasn't been a particularly preachy Senator, has he?

[gerrilea]

11. About time someone sees this as it is....

I'm sick of it too...where's the beef in all his sermons!!!!

[QC]

12. Yes, I grew up Baptist, escaped as soon as I left home,

and now feel that I have been dragged back in.

Do I have an amen? Do I have an amen? Gloooorrrrrrrry!

[THUNDER HANDS]

14. I'd rather be preached at than yelled at

not that I think Obama preaches.

[Captain Hilts]

18. "Yelled at"? nt

[QC]

27. That's the current Obamatologist talking point about Hillary's speaking style.

It's an indirect way of calling her a shrill harpy, I think.

[Captain Hilts]

32. Oh. I saw her in PG County outside DC and she didn't yell. She was conversational in tone. nt

[ShortnFiery]

30. Beyond "the style" I believe that Obama's speeches are about "WE" whereas HRC is all about herself.

So many times I hear HRC talk about "I see..." I just can't get past her arrogance.

My uncle is a Southern Baptist Preacher and I'm a ultra-liberal Catholic (Franciscian). To be honest with you, this SINNER doesn't feel preached at with Obama ... not at all. I feel like I'm part of THE SOLUTION. I also feel that Obama wants to help us be "the best country in the world" ... he wants to build "a team."

To me, Obama, is the 21st Century JFK. I know that sounds lofty, but I feel HOPE when I listen to him. If we don't have HOPE, we have NOTHING. :shrug:

[glowing]

51. Who is yelling at you? If you want to debate the subject, then do so..

I certainly have not yelled at anyone on this board.. I have been sarcastic, I've been pissed at times, I have been moved to tears... yet, I have never actually sat here and yelled at anyone or even yelled at the computer.. what's the point?

[THUNDER HANDS]

61. I was speaking more about Clinton's speaking style

large venues = bad.

[glowing]

63. I personally don't think she yells or shrieks or any of that.. I think the

MSM loves to find a little phrase here or there and go for the jugular.. It reinforce the whole male dominated hysteria that a strong, capable, intelligent woman has to be a bitch... they are afraid of females.. Probably stems back to their own mother/ son relationships.. I particularly feel for Tweety.. he must be harboring some real animosity towards his own mother.

[MoJoWorkin]

15. Why do you think they sometimes refer to the Presidency as using the "Bully Pulpit?"

That is what the President is SUPPOSED to do. The President has to make the case for the course of action the country should take.

[glowing]

53. The President is supposed to Preach to me like a sermon.. I'm sorry,

the so-called Christians in this country can take their God and shove it.. My God is kind, compassionate, and doesn't take money from the devil to pedal His good.

[Captain Hilts]

16. He's a great speaker, but the southern preacher routine is getting really old with me really quickly

[Irishonly]

17. I Don't Think He Is Preaching

I am not a supporter of either and I think the time has come to stop trying to tear them down. One of them is going to be the nominee and we are all going to have to come together. If we don't a doddering old man who sings bomb iran is the one we will be listening to.

[ShortnFiery]

19. That's the difference, I feel "talked with" - Obama makes it *WE*, HRC makes it "I"

Like my High School Track Coach used to quip, There's no "I" in TEAM. :thumbsup:

I'm fired up and on board with The OBAMA Team! :patriot:

[glowing]

55. How many speeches or rallies have you been at with both of the

two remaining candidates? Or did you get your snippets from bloggers, OP peices, YouTube, and MSM?

[peace13]

20. OMG where have you been?

* has been at it for eight years. A pulpit filled with hate and fear. I will be so happy to hear from anyone who can lead us out of this dark cloud. As for Obama's style you may call it preaching if you wish. What do you call Clinton's style? I have not heard her speak but that her voice was raspy from yelling at the crowd. Give me someone who can calmly get the point across. Peace, Kim

[glowing]

29. Actually... I thought her speach was much better and delivered with

much more heartfelt candor at the dinner in Washington they spoke at. But you rarely get to see a full-delivered speach by Senator Clinton... The MSM picks and chooses snippets to make her look bitchy and pissed off.

Like I said in the original post.. I don't care for either.. I decided not to practice that kind of religion.. I believe in the freedom of thought and expression.. I testify to myself.. and I am proud that I can...

[peace13]

36. You are right about the media.

I have only seen Clinton speak in a soft voice in her one on one interview a month or so ago. I too have not had a dog in this fight since the media erased Kucinich. I am in survival mode now with the fear that Clinton brings eight more years of *. Sorry for my curt opener. Peace, Kim

[glowing]

39. With the info surrounding Obama's shaky connections.. I'm not sure how

effective he will be in being able to deliver change.. I'm not exactly thrilled with his legislative past in regards to Exellon.. the nuclear industry and the leaks in his own state...

Neither one will be good enough. Kucinich would have been great.. Edwards would have been good.. these two are tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum.. just not as bad as McCain.. so once again hold nose and pick the lesser of two evils in Nov.

[TwilightGardener]

23. Eh, I'll take the Preacher over the Screecher anyday.

[QC]

25. Yeah! Damn shrill harpy!

Why doesn't she know her place?

[glowing]

33. I don't think she screetches... I think the MSM takes snippet and makes

it worse than it really is... I've seen my own local news all day channel jump in and start listening to a stump speech.. they don't do that for any other candidate.. the MSM is selecting the nomination...

And Preaching I do not need.. of course, I've drowned out Bush.. I learn to drown out our next president as well.. I don't beleive any of the candidates left will implement the changes our country really needs.

[rucky]

24. If he wins, he'll have to govern.

He'll have to address the mess Bush left behind. I think he knows that, and we all know there's alot of work ahead of us. This assumption that there's no substance to his message is hogwash. I think what's unrealistic is the notion that a single person will come around to clean up the mess - it's going to take a leader who carries the will of the people behind them. If Obama's on-target with a message that builds those numbers, then he can go into the White House and govern more effectively. Clinton has the top-down gravitas to do some arm-twisting as president, but Obama's taken that advantage she has over him and created something Clinton is lacking - a social movement behind it. Say what you want about the means and message, but if he gets the nomination, having something like that behind our next president will be a huge advantage to the Dems. You know he's not going to go all Billy Graham on us as president, and if you think so, it's an unfounded fear and a knee-jerk reaction to a speaking style that is effective, and mostly known for its misuse.

Bottom line - either you trust Obama's intentions are good, or you don't.

[Straight Shooter]

26. Congress won't appreciate it.

Hard-bitten critters with an agenda of their own don't swoon and scream like teenyboppers just because he has a nice voice. Remember we're dealing with the "purple finger" crowd, and here comes obama going to gather the flock together for peace, love, and understanding. But he makes fun of the '60s and '70s. LOL.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Considering that Congress has an approval rating "circling the drain" why should we give a damn?!?

It's beyond time to "clean HOUSE." If our illustrious representatives are not doing "the people's will" then let's give a newcomer *a shot?*

http://voidnow.org

[Straight Shooter]

41. For the same reason we've been giving a damn what they do for the last 7 years. n/t

edit typo

[mkultra]

35. at least we dont have to guess

At least we don't have to guess which things being said are the truth.

She signed the pledge, no shes against it. She has as much integrity as bush.

[Florida22ndDistrict]

45. nice sig... why stop at kittens?

[Skidmore]

38. Well, I sick of being preached at

about how being a woman obligates me to the female candidate and not who I see as the best candidate. The dogma of Hillary is getting old.

[cooolandrew]

42. So when JFK said "ask not what your country can do" it was preaching..

...Come on let's not have no double standards either. America honours Dr. King but doesn't go as far to say, oh his speeches don't count as he was prechinging. The important factor in his speeches is he kindles the enthusiasm in each invidual to believe in themselves and reach for and work for a better day. Can't see that as a negative myself. Although if you see that as a negative I respect your right to that opinion.

[glowing]

50. Dr. King was actually a minister.. so, yes, he did use "preaching" techniques

to inspire change... and it was intended to make people beleive in equality for all men and women. JFK.. had a funny Mass. accent. The words were very inspiring, but his voice cracks me up everytime I hear an old take... It surprises me over and over again.. I always think of a booming voice, delivering and eloquent speech.. and then his little Mass voice comes out, and I laugh a little.

[mondo joe]

70. JFK wasn't preaching. MLK was a minister - he's supposed to preach.

I don't need the separation of church and state MORE blurred than it already is.

[smoogatz]

43. Stone the man for being an effective speaker. He's also too smart (arrogant),

too popular (it's a cult!), too tall (looks down on Hillary), too progressive (class war!), too idealistic (no we can't!), too good-looking (no fair!), and running a much more effective campaign (uh...it's a cult!). He just can't seem to do ANYthing right.

[cooolandrew]

46. =)

[glowing]

57. I didn't even go that far.. I just heard on the t.v. a snippet of last nights

speech and I looked up and saw a politician.. Swear to God I thought it was a one of our local ministers... I don't like it.

[smoogatz]

59. I'm sure there are people who'd prefer four years of the high school librarian

reading from a 3x5 card. No accounting for taste.

[kurth]

62. Watch several of his speeches since Iowa

Your conclusion won't change.

[stillcool]

44. Damn....Is it what he says?

or how he says it? Or is it the response he gets? Or is it that "words are cheap"?
I have an idea...
Ban the campaign speeches
Ban the polls
Ban the rules
Ban the endorsements
Ban the recounts
and then be afraid...be very, very afraid. The big bad Republicans are coming and they are going to huff, and puff, and blow your house down.:scared:

[sniffa]

48. I'm tired of being squawked at

so I voted for Obama.

[corkhead]

49. your post sounds more suited for LGF than for DU

I am embarrassed to read it here.

[glowing]

58. I apologize for your over interest in my post... I think his style if Preacherish,

yet until he starts doing as Jesus, I don't think he will live up to people's expectations.

[bigwillq]

54. I don't like his preacher-type ways but

I think he will be a good president. The preacher type never appeals to me, which is why I haven't been able to warm to Obama, among a few other things but I think Obama is a very good candidate and I am starting to look past some of his flaws.

[bridgit]

56. Yakkity Yak, God's Talk'n Back!!

Medved has already accused Obama of staging the 'fainting women routine' at several of his appearances i.e. same up front vapors all involving women, same words spoken toward their cares so as to suggest status of healer, similar bottle of water tossed into the crowd invoking 'giver of hospice' symbology, etc

Brooks on The News Hour points out Obama only staging events at universities implying his being unwilling to move amongst the lesser among us, so yeah...

You can see it gearing up already, still...Barack can suggest Clinton is being hysterical without using the word 'hysterical' i.e. "when she gets down she attacks" and so on, it's a lofty position no doubt, he should enjoy it while he is able as the GE will not be pretty.

Yakkity Yak God's Talk'n Back!!

[The River]

60. Depends On What He Is Preaching

I think you may be confusing preaching...with preaching gospel.
See Webster:
preach (preech) v. <preached, preach-ing>
v.t.
1. to proclaim or make known in a sermon.
2. to deliver (a sermon).
3. to advocate (moral principles, conduct,
etc.) as right or advisable.

You're thinking #'s 1 and 2. I was too until I started thinking
about preaching practical politics. Preaching devoid of religion.
That would be #3.


I was raised as a "Christian" and although I have transcended any need for
religion I still get pissed when I hear "preachers" who use religion to scare people.
All that hellfire, damnation and bigotry is harmful as hell to children. It's psychologically crippling. (descending theology)

OTOH, I just love listening to a good "call and reply" full gospel black preacher who fills
his congregation with hope and faith. (ascending theology)
My favorite Sunday brunch restaurant was the one next door to the largest black church in town just because we could hear the music while dining.

If Obama starts preaching come to Jebus I'll join you and tell him to STFU,
but if he starts preaching "Green" Industry I'll say amen.
If he starts preaching an orderly exit from Iraq I'll say hallelujah!
If he wants to use "call and reply" on important issues, I'll respond with
letters to Congress.

Imagine a President who uses his "bully pulpit" in a positive way
like a former community organizer / activist might use a bull horn at a rally.
Imagine the standard Presidential Saturday morning radio address becoming
a weekly call to reply on behalf of what we, the American People, really
want from government.

If Obama can "preach" for a non secular, moral, economical, racial, ecological
and constitutional revival in America, I'll help set up the tent.
Will you?

[snappyturtle]

64. When I read the title of your post I immediately thought of

Sen. Clinton! Sometimes she comes across, to me, as a ranting Mother who knows what's best and is VERY vocal about it. She does seem to lose her voice a lot. Offering hope is better than being depressed.

[Sapphocrat]

65. Yeah, that's the one *personal* trait of Obama's I can't stand.

My take as a gay person: The only people who preach at me that way are the ones who call LGBTs demon-possessed pedophiles.

My take as a recovering Catholic: The only people who preach at Catholics that way are the ones who call the Pope the Antichrist -- and crap all over Catholics for "woshipping" the Virgin Mary. (I may revile Catholicism, but I'm very protective of Catholics; I grant that perhaps only a fellow Catholic may understand that.)

Obama's preachy style strikes a reflexive chord deep inside me -- and not in a good way.

[Marie26]

66. Me, me

Obama often phrases things in terms of orders in his speeches: "Understand this.." I don't like being told what to do. Puts my back up.

[NMMNG]

67. We've been preached at for the past 7 years and I'm damn sick of it

I certainly don't want another 4 years (or more) of it.

People like to think that LGBTs dislike Obama only because of the McClurkin incident but as a gaytheist I was among a number of people who began to get uncomfortable some time before that, back when Obama's constant pandering to evangelicals and preacher-man style became obvious. The WH and the entire administration has become more or less a forum to cram Christianity down America's throat over the past 8 years and we've had enough. We certainly don't need another president who can't separate his religion from his politics--even if primarily in his style if not his substance.

[NastyRiffraff]

68. Actually, that was the first thing that bothered me about Obama

Now, it's certainly not the only thing, but it still bothers me. If I want to hear a preacher I'll go to church (and I don't go to church).

As for Hillary's occasional shouting (oh, but she's a woman, so it has to be "screeching"), I haven't seen much of that, but when I have, it was when she was trying to talk over a roaring crowd. Women's voices usually don't carry as well as men's, so we often HAVE to shout to make ourselves heard. I've done it myself, don't like my voice when I do it, but it's sometimes necessary.

[mondo joe]

69. I'm already tired of the first preacher-in-chief. I don't need another.