Why should Clinton supporters vote for Obama when

[Clinton Crusader]

both Obamas have said they and their supporters would not and should not support Clinton?

Michelle Obama: "I Would Have To Think About Supporting Clinton If She Is The Nominee"
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/4/124123/6787


Barack Obama: This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. they don't. they can stand down and do nothing. Obama still wins.

his primary numbers alone were bigger than the top two GOP candidates.

[JVS]

2. To atone for trying to give our party a horrible candidate

[LWolf]

5. How do Obama supporters atone for doing the same thing? nt

[JVS]

8. We never did that. No need to atone

[LWolf]

11. That's a subjective claim, isn't it?

I think Obama is a horrible candidate. Equally as horrible as Hillary.

[JVS]

12. Well you're wrong. But thanks for admitting that you know Hillary is horrible. At least you got..

that part right.

[MadBadger]

3. Where does Obama say that he would not and should not support Clinton

Give me the exact quote, because I am calling your bluff/Bullshit

[gateley]

4. To keep McCain out of the WH.

If Hillary is the nom, I don't for a second doubt that Michelle Obama would vote for her in the election. She might not get out and vociferously support her campaign, but would "support" her in the voting booth.

And if Obama's supporters wouldn't be there to vote for Hillary, then I would have to question their sincerity about really trying to turn this country around.

Great pic of Hillary, by the way -- she looks so happy!

[RiverStone]

14. exactly!

Why is this so hard for some people to get?

[goodgd_yall]

15. Hear, hear! n/t

[JorgeTheGood]

18. a couple of things ...

Michelle's statement about not supporting Hillary, to me, appeared to be full of hate ... for who? I can only guess it's Hillary-hate. That seems to be the in-hate-thing on the republican side, which, so far, the Obamas have been very comfortable with. I don't see the Obamas supporting anyone other than themselves.

2nd -- having McCain in the White House isn't necessarily a bad thing:

1) So far he hasn't threatened to attack Pakistan -- like BO did

2) He probably won't play nicey-nicey with the republicans, at least not to the point of kissing their asses like BO will. In fact, he may not play nice with anyone -- that's why they call him a maverick.

3) He will fully fund the Veterans Administration and support the Iraq troops coming home (and all other veterans -- like me) which so far, I have not heard BO even mention the veterans. That's probably because he never served -- just another chickenhawk.

4) So far, I haven't heard a single piece of explicit and exact language on just what the hell he will do as president ... nothing, nada ... other than invade Pakistan that is.

[jkshaw]

21. Are you deaf, Jorge?

Illiterate? Obama's web site is stuffed with this stuff you've never heard. His speeches are full of stuff you've never heard. Your post is truly mind-boggling.

And "having McCain in the White House isn't necessarily a bad thing"?

You're not making sense.

[JorgeTheGood]

22. Do you call everyone ...

that disagrees with you illiterate ?

I don't appreciate that slur but I'll chalk it up to that very same Obama hatred I mentioned in post #20, which I would like to see your reply.

Apparently, the Obama hatred rubs off on their supporters.

[KAZ]

28. Anyone who says "having McCain in the White House isn't...

... necessarily a bad thing", should be saying it on a different board.

[Renew Deal]

6. Obama is saying that Hillary can't get the voters he's getting.

You see it in polling. Obama does better against McCain than she does.

[JorgeTheGood]

20. If Obama gets the nomination ...

how he does against McCain has nothing to do with Hillary ... it will suddenly be man to man and you're gonna see BO get his a$$ handed to him.

He and wifey are on record they won't support Hillary and that will cost him the women vote
We already know he will lose the Hispanic vote to 'Amnesty' John
There's a better than even chance he will lose the independent vote

So those 3 items will cost him ~60-70% of all voters and then add this in ..

He will lose Florida (not seating delegates) and Michigan for the same reason
He will lose California (see Hispanic vote above)
It appears he will lose PA
It is not apparent that he can take any state that either Gore of Kerry lost

So tell me how he pulls this off.

I've asked this question a couple of times and none of the BO crowd wants to take a shot at answering it ... how about it? Defend your candidate.

[gateley]

25. I'm not an Obama supporter so rather than "defending my candidate" I'll tell

you what I find problematic with your posts.

1) You are basing your "arguments" on subjective opinions (e.g. (paraphrased from your first resonse) 'to me, Michelle's response seemed like Hillary hate'. To ME, it seemed reasonable and honest in that she and her husband have fundamental differences about Hillary's stances and campaign approach. If Hillary (or Bill) had answered the same way, I would have come away with the same impression.

2) I believe you're not being accurate in your statement of fact that he and wifey are on record they won't support Hillary. Also, your knowing judgment that this will cost them the women votes. I don't understand how you -- or anyone -- can state as fact and as a done deal results of events that haven't occurred yet. If nothing else, this campaign has shown us ALL that we can't assume anything.

3) As in number 2, your omnipotence in knowing that he will not garner the independent vote ergo, so long 60-70% of the voters.

I guess what it boils down to is it's irritating and aggravating to have people forecast AS A GIVEN their opinions. You don't KNOW shit, and I don't KNOW shit, other than how we are personally going to vote (and I don't even know that for sure, yet).

Finally, your statement that McCain might not be such a bad President makes me want to spit on you. Open your eyes.

[AtomicKitten]

7. He's talking about his independent supporters and, he's right, they'd probably go to McCain.

[housewolf]

9. Another language issue - "Vote for" does not necessarily equal "Support"

"Support" and "Vote For" are not synonyms of each other; they do not necessarily mean the same thing. They are two completely different and seperate activities. In electoral politics, "Support" means give money, help raise money for and actively campaign for.

Michelle Obama: "I Would Have To Think About Supporting Clinton If She Is The Nominee"
She's not saying that she won't VOTE for Hillary, she's saying that she would have to THINK ABOUT getting out there and campaigning for her or help raise money for her.


Barack Obama: This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true.
He's saying that he's brought in a lot of independents and new folks who are not traditional Democrats who MAY not necessarily automatically transfer over to become Hillary voters, not that he and his voters absolutely would not vote for Hillary.

[RiverStone]

10. Why do you give a shit?!

I hope Obama seals the deal on March 4th - but if Hillary is the nominee, she has my vote. NOT supporting the nominee equals aiding the war mongering puke bastards.

Do you let the actions of others decide your vote?

What do YOU plan to do Clinton Crusader??? I would vote for Hillary - would you vote for Obama?

I'm supporting our party's nominee!

And I'm fucking sick of these weak kneed threats to bolt the party if you don't get the candidate ya want.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. werd

[Mz Pip]

16. I. Want. My. Lexus. Now.

Or I'll stomp my feet and go home. So there.


Another "Anybody but McCain" supporter here! :patriot:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[RiverStone]

19. Thanks Mz Pip!

"Anybody but McCain" is where I hope all of us will be by next September :hi:

[Perry Logan]

17. And the Obama people at DU have repeatedly accused the Hillary supporters of being liars and cheats.

And racists and dumbbells, etc. Oddly enough, this technique rarely wins people over.

[cd3dem]

23. this rhetoric by Obama is to get super-delegates to vote for him by force & manipulation!

but frankly, the way Obama has acted... it will require lots of drugs in my system to get me to vote for the guy!

[JorgeTheGood]

26. LOL -cd3dem

Yeah, I'd have to be drugged to the point of overdose ...

[cd3dem]

27. Crap, will they let you vote if you walk in looking like a zombie on heroin?

[Cha]

24. I don't blame Michelle..I

wouldn't even have to think anymore. hilary's scorched earth policy is making it impossible to consider her arrogant ass for dog catcher.

[snappyturtle]

29. Really? " ...both Obamas have said they and their supporters would

not and should not support Clinton." That is not in your two links.

Had Michelle Obama said, "Sure I can see myself working to support Sen. Clinton" she would have undermined her husband's campaign. That little diddy would have been the lead news story of the day! She did say she would consider Sen. Clinton's policies, tone, etc. NOT that she WOULD NOT support her nor did I hear her say that her husband's supporters SHOULD NOT support her.

Here's the copy & paste of what Sen. Obama said in your second link:

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Again, Sen. Obama, like his wife, did not say he WOULD NOT support her (actually that question wasn't posed) nor that his supporters SHOULD NOT support Sen. Clinton.

IMHO this OP is flamebait. Question: Has Sen. Clinton been asked if she would support Sen. Obama if he becomes the candidate?

[TankLV]

30. Don't try to use LOGIC with an obamabot - won't ever work...

something they won't EVER even try to use, much less understand...

[Clinton Crusader]

31. So I guess I'll follow his advice...

and in the words of his oh so charming wife....

'I'll find it difficult to support him'.

IMAGINE if the Clintons had said that???? Holy SHIT! The sky would be falling. But these two say it and it nothing, right? SOMEHOW the Obamaites smooth it over like it's nothing. Talk about a double standard!

[mondo joe]

32. I never thought I'd sit out a presidential vote, but this looks likely to be the one.

I can't see myself taking the side of such a mean spirited campaign that has been so hostile to other Democrats.

[stillcool]

33. of course you left out...

this part...

"Everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think we're all working for the same thing. Our goal is to make sure the person in the White House is going to take this country in a different direction. I happen to believe Barack is the only person who can really do that."

and as far as Barack saying independents and some republicans will not vote for Clinton...well..what do you think?