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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:17 PM
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Newsweek Cover: Barack's Rock
Excellent article on Michelle.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/112849

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:19 PM
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1. An impressive soul.
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Oskie Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:33 PM
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85. Michelle is PERIODICALLY impressive when she isn't down.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:37 AM
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115. Sad. n/t
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:14 AM
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125. hahahahahahaha
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:19 PM
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2. Obamarosa really is trying to play up the Jackie Kennedy connection. It ain't working...n/t
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:19 PM
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5. Yawn.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:21 PM
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8. I agree, she is boring. My eyes were glazing over when I saw her on Larry King Live.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:22 PM
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11. Yup.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:23 PM by Drunken Irishman
But hey, when you accomplish half of what she's done, then maybe you'll be justified in calling her boring.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:37 PM
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80. Well if by boring you mean she doesn't cheat on her spouse, then yes she's boring
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM by RummyTheDummy
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:24 AM
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103. My wife doesn't cheat on me....does that qualify me to be POTUS?
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:51 AM
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106. Interesting attempt at spin
But if I were a Clinton supporter, the last thing I would be doing would be denigrating the spouses of other presidential candidates when it's clear enough their marriage, is by all accounts, more of a political tool than an actual marriage.

Comparing spouses wouldn't seem to be a winner, lest we forget the sordid details of Monica's dress and the certain use of cigars by Bill, Hillary's, you know, husband.

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:56 AM
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109. To counter your lame parallel
And I'm not a Clinton supporter. But it's good to know that there are so many Obama supporters out there willing to carry the GOP's water and sing their tune to further their, um, cause.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:04 AM
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114. It's may be dirty water
But it is fact. And the fallout from that period helped usher in the last 8 years. I'm not saying Bill and his poor choices in life are entirely responsible for it, but only a fool would pretend that the Monica business didn't contribute to Clinton Fatigue which in turn hurt Gore in the 2000 general. Bush shouldn't have even been close enough to steal the election in the first place, and he wouldn't have been had it not been for impeachment.





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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:22 PM
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9. yeah hes boxed himself in with those 8 straight victories
I don't agree with your premise but just exactly what possible meaning do you have for "it ain't working"
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:26 PM
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21. So angry
can't even have an appreciation thread without one of you shitting all over it.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:38 PM
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25. Do you mean like how some Obamaniacs invaded this Hillary appreaciation thread linked below and
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:56 PM
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63. So the new Shillbot memo is "two wrongs make a right"?
:eyes:
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:16 PM
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73. That wasn't my point. My point is that the shitting isn't one-sided. n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:41 AM
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116. Yes, but YOU are the ittershay, in this thread; not some nebulous "others"
Apologize and go away; or simply the latter.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:48 PM
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36. Yes I see lots of people fainting at Hillary's Rallys... due to bordem!
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:02 PM
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42. I beg to differ
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:44 PM
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61. Are you comparing Michelle to Omarosa, and if so, why?
:shrug:
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:56 PM
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64. Some of you Hillary supporters are
very hateful
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:13 PM
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69. You are a sick man or woman.
Michelle Obama is an accomplished woman. Omarosa is an embarrassment just like you.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:01 PM
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86. euw I alerted you.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:58 AM
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110. Obamarosa!
:applause:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:23 AM
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127. Bill Clinton is the one that is like Omarosa
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 04:23 AM by JI7
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:19 PM
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3. Now THERE Is A First Lady !!!
:bounce::woohoo::bounce:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:15 AM
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126. ...one who knows her place, huh? What a predictable reply.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:19 PM
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4. Nice cover
Michelle Obama is a lovely woman. And, if Obama is nominated, she'll make a wonderful First Lady (I can't entertain the idea of whats-her-name...McCain's wife...as First Lady)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:21 PM
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7. She is indeed elegant. I really enjoyed her on Larry King the other night
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:15 PM
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50. Larry King/Michelle Obama available on iTunes
I missed seeing the show but found it on iTunes last night. Great interview, a must see.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:23 PM
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12. She is
a lovely woman. Her story reads "accomplished" almost as much as Obamas.

Truly an extraordinary woman.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:20 PM
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6. She knows her place, two steps behind
Good for her, but sorry if most women don't identify with that definition.

We've had enough First Ladies, its time for a woman president. No offense to Michelle (is that her name?) I'm sure she's happy in her role as second fiddle to her husband.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:22 PM
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10. Well, thats not going to happen this year
but please feel free to piss and moan about it for the next 8 months.

:hi:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:25 PM
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18. Yes it is
and if it doesn't there won't be a next time.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:26 PM
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22. Because Hillary is the only female that will ever qualify for the office?
Wow -- project much?

Sorry, but as a female, I think there are a lot of females that are quite qualified.

You have her so far up on a pedestal that it is clouding your thinking.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:47 PM
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34. She's qualified, she's ready
Why should she have to wait so a less qualified man can run instead.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:13 PM
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49. Like a lot of women, I have looked forward for my whole adult life to
voting for a woman for President.

So, I'm going to be very choosy about exactly which woman that first vote will go to.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:45 AM
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136. Well, I hope you live to see the day if we don't get it this time.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:19 PM
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146. Me, too, but it may be my grandaughter
who lives to see it.

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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:17 PM
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51. BULLSHIT!!
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 03:18 PM by Carolina
She's qualified because she was First Lady of Arkansas for 12 years and the US for 8 ...? Had she not been First Lady, she could not have even considered running for NY Senate from whence this hopefully doomed POTUS bid arose. Talk about second fiddle to her husband.

She's ready? Oh yeah, same way she was ready for formidable opposition on and beyond Super Tuesday.

She's the wrong woman at the wrong time and thank God America sees that!
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:24 PM
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55. shut up. oh yes, lets all vote on the fact that she has a vagina.
how dense can you be?
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:06 PM
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92. Because she isn't good for the country or the party.
Just my humble opinion, based on her voting record and bellicose foreign policy positions.

If experience was really the issue here we should have nominated Biden or Richardson.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:45 AM
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117. The qualification factor is highly arguable.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 01:47 AM by krkaufman
We don't need a "woman president" any more than the UK needed Margaret Thatcher. Argue the merits of your candidate, not their genitals or skin color. Well, do what you want, really; but the gender prejudice does nothing to promote your candidate.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:23 PM
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15. nice to know its only about gender..
never knew somebody's sex organs played such an important role in things people.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:24 PM
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16. Really...
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama (born January 17, 1964)<1> is an American lawyer and the wife of Illinois senator Barack Obama who is a candidate for the 2008 Democratic Party nomination for United States President. She was born and raised on the south side of Chicago, Illinois and then educated at Princeton University and Harvard Law School. She returned to Chicago after completing her formal education to work for the law firm Sidley Austin, on the staff of the Mayor of Chicago Richard M. Daley, and for the University of Chicago and the University of Chicago Hospitals.


Doesn't sound "second fiddle" to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:24 PM
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17. Wow
Just wow.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:25 PM
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19. excuse me?
What do you mean? Can you give examples? Of course she knows that she is not the candidate--he is? What's wrong with that?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:30 PM
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23. By the way, when you were still supporting JRE -- did you feel the same way about Elizabeth?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:42 PM
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27. Elizabeth Edwards and Obama's wife are two different women
Elizabeth is more of an equal in their relationship.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:45 PM
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30. !!!
:rofl:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:46 PM
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32. We choose to disagree
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:01 PM
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41. How can you say that with a straight face? Whatever argument you had just collapsed.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 03:31 PM by Tatiana
First you have to verify the woman's name {"Michelle (is that her name?")} but somehow you "know" that Elizabeth is more of an equal in her relationship with John Edwards?

Irrational.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:21 PM
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53. oh puhleeze
like you know would know which couple has more of an equal relationship.

You certainly don't want people the analyze the Clinton's...
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:49 AM
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105. You obviously didn't read the article.
Sometimes it's helpful to know what you're talking about before you comment.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:32 PM
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24. Is "two steps behind" her degrees from Harvard and Princeton? or her assertiveness with her husband?
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:32 PM by ShortnFiery
You are attempting to insert "bunk-lies" into the character of a woman who is "her own person" beyond her husband's political career. :(

I was impressed when I heard that Michelle Obama, after about 15 minutes on a campaign huddle-type conference call, interjected "You need to give it from the heart, with more feeling."

Michelle Obama is a true role model for her own accomplishments but she's ALSO a definite asset to her husband's campaign. :-) :thumbsup:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:45 PM
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29. Education is not a measure
of how empowered a woman is. Its what she chooses to do with her education.

Obama's wife made her choice and its a valid one for her, no doubt. But women in this country are suffering tremendously and we need a woman leader who was willing to suffer the sexist barbs and criticism to stand up for them.

Personal preference.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:56 PM
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39. That rationale does not pass "the smell test." Right now Michelle is raising two beautiful ...
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 02:59 PM by ShortnFiery
and "above average" daughters. Oh! I guess being a mother is not "a job" to some of the hard-core feminists but I say you're WRONG. Raising children is, I dare say, IMO (and many other Americans) it's the MOST IMPORTANT JOB to parents who truly care about the future.

So, what's your point? A woman who parasitically latches onto her husband's power base? A woman who personally contacts her husband's ex-lovers to intimidate them into keeping silent? A woman who would do any "dirty campaign stunt" to win poltical power? THIS type of woman is to be our country's MODEL WOMAN? No, I personally thank God that such a woman just MAY NOT be elected into holding the highest office in Our Country. No way would I wish for my young daughter to consider HRC's behavior as morally upstanding. No way! :(
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:26 PM
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57. A lot of Hillary supporters are housewives who feel that she will be their voice.
its sad.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:28 PM
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58. and what of Hillary
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 03:30 PM by Carolina
She chose to use her Wellesly, Yale education to run to Arkansas after WJC well before they were marrried, to the shock and dismay of her friends who thought she was throwing away her future. Why? Because she knew HE was going places and wanted to hitch her wagon to HIS rising star.

Even his Momma had her calculating ass pegged. Plus, she's the reason he lost after his first term as AK governor!

Another bullshit, false argument from Team Hillary.

And by the way if HRC is such a fucking leader, where has she been during the past 7 years in the Senate fighting for the little guy against Bush. IWR, the Bankruptcy Bill (yeah, that sure helped struggling women against those credit card companies)...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:13 PM
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70. Michelle Obama is an amazing role
model..I just hope we get the chance to see all the possibilities that could come from an Obama presidency and the chance to have someone who is real as First Lady, for a Change.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:49 AM
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137. Excuse me, but the woman running for president is an amazing role model. We've BEEN wives!
And have it down pretty good. It's not a difficult role to model, if ones chooses. But running for president, now that's an inspirational woman, a woman little girls can look up to and think 'maybe one day I could be president'.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:42 PM
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28. "We've had enough First Ladies."
Like Hillary?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. We need a woman president
Like Hillary.

Why is the US so far behind and so Neanderthal when it comes to the concept of a woman head of state?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:47 PM
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33. What is it about "not THAT woman" that escapes you?
Why are you being so sexist?

Seriously. It is blowing my mind.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:48 PM
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35. Her gender alone does not make her qualified.
There are several valid reasons to vote for her, but her gender by itself is not one -- and yes, the same with Obama and his ethnicity.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:52 PM
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37. We need a GOOD president. I don't care if it's a man or a woman. nt
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:46 PM
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89. I'll be happy to vote for the first woman I feel is the best choice.
Hillary is not the best choice.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:11 AM
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100. sorry. we don't need JUST a woman president. or a black pres. or an asian pres. or a gay pres...
we need a president that represents the people's interests--however that may look.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:13 PM
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48. WTF it's time for a woman president ?!
It's time for the BEST person, not merely a woman.

The problem with Hillary is:

- she is NOT the RIGHT woman
- she is definitely not the best person.
- and she is only where she is because of her husband.

Your logic is severely wanting!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:28 AM
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128. There is no equality without equal representation. We are more than 50% and have never
held the highest seat in the land. Don't tell me it's not important. Obviously, people see that she is qualified and brilliant, in addition to being female!

There is NOTHING wrong with wanting woman elected president.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:54 AM
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140. Again, a woman is fine
THAT WOMAN is not!

Read what I wrote. It's not Hillary's gender. It's HER!
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:35 AM
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142. Really? Why? Is she the devil or something? Your over the top hostility towards her
makes it sound like you are uncomfortable with the idea of a woman being president. When you, and others, profess such intense dislike, hatred really, for her, your claim to have no problem with a woman being president ring false.

There is no reason for such over the top hatred for her. It is totally in line with the media "she's unlikeable" junk.

She's not unlikeable at all, even if you don't agree with everything she has said/done. She comes across as warm and intelligent, very capable, unbelievably knowledgeable, sincere and caring. All the women in this country who've turned out in droves to hear her, vote for her, can't be so wrong about her.

It's the level of hatred you espouse that makes your claim of being fine with a woman questionable.

I do not like Senator Obama for his lack of details and I don't like the plans I have heard, but I don't HATE him. What cause is there for that?

Think about it.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:44 AM
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143. I don't hate her
that's the problem with you team Hilary folks, you can't handle that your candidate is compromised and flawed, not because she's a woman and not because people SIMPLY hate HER, though some do.

I, like many, hate her voting record: War-yes from the start, Patriot Act-yes twice, Bankruptcy Bill -yes... Going along with Bush to get ahead politically. Speechifying ad nauseum and then saying words are cheap. Claiming a 35-year history of experience when that experience (whatever it is) is based on being Bill's wife!

Spare me your vitriol because it's HRC supporters like you who also turn people off.

Incidentally, I was not originally an Obama supporter. I didn't like HRC, Edwards, Biden, Dodd because of their IWR votes since Iraq was never an imminent threat. Period. And though
Kucinich, Gravel and Richardson were more to my liking, they were not electable. So I didn't have a dog in this fight... UNTIL NOW!

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:11 PM
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68. no actually her place was Princeton, Harvard and an independent career and a loving mother
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:16 PM
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97. but not in the senate. and btw, is O doing it "all by himself" or is she helping him? cuz many her
here seem to think that bill clinton magically became president, with no help along the way from hillary, and she's just been riding his coattails ever since.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:16 PM
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88. You are exactly correct.
Another woman who is willing to be muzzled just so her husband can advance his career.

Nothing ever changes.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:13 PM
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95. yep; there seems to an undeniable appreciation here for the woman *behind* the man.
there has been so much sniping about something being "wrong" with the various marital roles assumed by the clintons, one has to conclude that many here at DU prefer something more... traditional, shall we say.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:18 AM
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141. HRC sticks around while Bill fucks everything in a skirt. That's a strong woman?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:23 PM
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13. She will make a spectacular First Lady.
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:39 PM
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26. Agreed
She has class and style.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:30 AM
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129. Because she's so "LIKEABLE", right? A REAL lady, who knows her place.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:23 PM
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14. Laura bush has a rock, too.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:35 PM
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59. your pic link is broken, but I laughed anyway nt
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:33 PM
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71. Nice one SS n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:27 PM
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74. A little levity for a Sunday.
:)
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:25 PM
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20. What a gorgeous lady!
Love Michelle Obama's looks and style ... she's just, IMO, gorgeous. :loveya:

Definite First Lady material. :-) :thumbsup:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:53 PM
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38. I enjoyed the article - thanks for the link. nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 02:58 PM
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40. She is an impressive woman!
You are quite welcome. :hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:11 PM
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45. Yes she is - I enjoy hearing her speak, too. I'd like to hang with her! nt
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European Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:12 PM
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46. There aren't too many people that gifted...
who relate so well to the average person. She gave a speech in Wilmington, Delaware that I have listened to four times now because it was so different from what you would expect from a first lady.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:18 PM
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52. And Education (Harvard and Princeton) does count ...
Many of us women have opted to take a few years hiatus in order to nurture our children through the early years. However, those of us blessed to have the resources and drive to accomplish the foregoing as well as having earned Associates, Bachelors or Advanced Degrees - will qualify for better paying jobs when we reenter the work force. :shrug:
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:12 PM
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47. Nice Lady... n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:21 PM
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54. That image is wrong on too many layers to count. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:45 AM
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133. the image depicted does seem a bit phony, I agree
but when I saw her on Larry King she did not come off as phony to me at all - she seemed very thoughtful and genuine
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:53 AM
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138. Is she trying to conjure up the ghost of Jackie O, to go with her reincarnated JFK spouse
It is disrespectful, and yes, creepy.

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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:25 PM
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56. Yeah!!! I got to see the fabulous Michelle two weeks ago. She'll be a terrific First Lady.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:35 PM
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60. Envy!! I hope she comes to PA.
:hi:
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:53 PM
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62. Nice Article nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 03:56 PM
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65. This tells me a lot..
"Michelle Obama was never much interested in calling attention to herself. As an undergrad at Princeton in the 1980s, she was interested in social change, but didn't run for student government. Instead, she spent her free time running a literacy program for kids from the local neighborhoods. At Harvard Law, she took part in demonstrations demanding more minority students and professors."

I saw that Rally at UCLA on Superbowl Sunday when Michelle held court with Stevie Wonder, Maria Elena Durazo, Caroline Kennedy, and Maria Schiver and thousands of supporters..she was not a bad orator, herself..in fact Stellar!

"When a reporter recently joked that she could run for Barack's Senate seat if he were elected president, Michelle made a face of mock disgust. "Ugh," she grimaced. "No, thank you."

"She played a similar part after the surprise loss in New Hampshire, where polls had Obama leading Hillary Clinton by wide margins. It was Michelle who delivered the pep talk to the candidate's dispirited aides waiting anxiously outside the couple's hotel suite. She cautioned them against listening to the pundits and polls: "We need to send a message to all our supporters to not take a single thing for granted."

Thanks, Yael..that was invigorating!



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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:00 PM
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66. She seems alright...I didn't agree when she called Oprah a "great intellect" on Larry King, but..
otherwise, she seems fine.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 04:05 PM
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67. She'll make one hell of a great First Lady!
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:31 AM
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130. and won't that be GREAT that a 'woman's place' will have been saved??!!! Blech
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 05:07 PM
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72. She's fucking impressive
It's a joy to see her speak. She connects with an audience so easily, so intelligently.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:16 PM
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75. Did you see her Ohio speech?
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:17 PM
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76. Many Dems are still p!&&ed she won't support Hillary in the General...
I was shootin' the bull with a table full of lifelong Dems on Friday and two out of the eight stated that, while they leaned to Obama, they were TOTALLY PUT OFF by Michelle's smarmy refusal to consider supporting a HRC ticket in the General... enough that they were going to support HRC.

I was surprised by the depth of their animosity. And I don't think they are alone in their belief.

She really should do something to "clarify" her statement.

This is not about you, Michelle. There is only one correct answer to the question of "...will you support the Democratic nominee in November?"

:shrug:
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:39 PM
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81. Amazing
Rethugs come together but we can't? Obama better just let the door hit him in the a$$ on the way out.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:53 PM
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83. Has Bill Clinton been asked the same question?
I'm honestly curious - I haven't heard it but maybe he has?
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:16 PM
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96. To many, her answer to that question just highlighted the inexperience of that whole team.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:02 AM
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121. And to many others, the spinning of that comment highlighted the selective interpretation ...
... and dishonesty of many others.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:33 AM
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104. but what about the rest of that comment?
"Everyone in this party is going to work hard for whoever the nominee is. I think we're all working for the same thing. Our goal is to make sure the person in the White House is going to take this country in a different direction. I happen to believe Barack is the only person who can really do that."
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:00 AM
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119. Some clarification may be in order, and may have already been done.
But I'll hold judgment on her, since "support" can mean so many things.

Is Michelle Obama expected to actively campaign for Hillary Clinton, should Hillary become the nominee? Or would Michelle Obama be allowed to return to focusing on her kids, after a long campaign? It's not like Michelle Obama is a well-known Democratic political figure, whose endorsement or campaigning would carry much weight beyond what she's currently doing for her husband.

I really doubt that her comment in any way was meant that she wouldn't vote and, at least passively, support the Democratic nominee.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:25 PM
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77. love her
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:35 PM
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78. My petty post of the day: I am envious ... of her arms.
Dang! I wish my arms were that nicely defined. They're getting there, but I've got plenty of free weights to hoist before they look that good.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:37 PM
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79. I love her!!!
She's smart, she's tall, she's hot.

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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:21 PM
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82. May she get ripped to shreads as Hillary has been
All is fair in this world of crap . News week , give me a break . Lets she how well she fairs being torn to shreads .
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:30 PM
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84. Why would you wish this on anyone?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:59 PM
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90.  It's not a wish , if Hillary is fair game for every single attack
out there , mainly those who support Obama then all is fair in the freakish game politics have become .

It's fine to lay everything Bill Clinton has ever done on Hillary so where is there a difference if this works both ways .

Lets bring the Obama family under the public microscope too .

I did not make it this way , the massess have made it this way .

I recall the point where most people here agreed that all the Democratic candidates would make a good president but once it was narrowed down to two the swill or hate and endless bashing came into play like a sickness . It was without letup . It is as if Hillary is not human and the worst person on earth .

There is not fair and balanced , it has become a mindless blood bath .

So open up all the doors then and not go by some filtered artical written by a cheap magazine .

I've said it before , the Dem party has been split down the middle by this madness rather than looking at the candidates policies on an individual basis people instead to choose to drag the entire Clinton family through the broken glass yet when it comes to Obama he gets a free ride and you damn well know this .

I have never seen anything like this . I did not see any past presidents wife or family so harshly critisized . This is a new all time low .

I have looked up the history of Obama and Hillary and there is very little to be found on Obama and I'm not simply talking about his web site .

I am sick of dirty politics and if this what people choose to play then bring it all to a head or back the hell off .

There is not one news program or blog or radio channel that is not a stream of Hillary hate and Obama praising .

People know just about everything on earth there is to know about the Clintons , the entire 8 years Bill Clinton and Hillary were smeared and their daughter .

So to be fair let the same be brought on the Obama family and lets see how well they fair during and after the dirt is built up into whatever it may be whether truth or lies as the Clintons dealt with .

This reminds me of a canned hunting event .

There is this two issue thing , keeping McCain out and the supreme court judges that are the sole basis that make it acceptable to destroy Hillary , this is always the point where things land whenever any host or poster is challenged as to why they bash the Clintons as if Obama is the one and only hope of beating McCain . Well we will see some day if the deomcratic party does not destroy itself with blood letting first .
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:54 AM
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107. You're a fucking moron
Michelle Obama isn't running for president, Hillary is. Get it?
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:49 AM
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134. You don't 'get it'. You approve the double standard Hillary has been attacked with..
ripping her to shreds because she dares to run for office, while the LADY Michelle is to be treated like the queen of Camelot because she's in her proper place....which makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.

The media makes cruel sexist attacks on Hillary's appearance, her body, her clothes, her voice, on and on.....but this potential First LADY receives only gushing compliments for the same.

It is revolting.

Michelle Obama joined in the sexist attacks early on, taking swipes at Hillary saying 'you can't run the white house if you can't run your own house.' A clear reference to the hard years of Hillary's marriage. A quite cruel reference.

Such a lady.

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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:40 PM
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145. Yes , you see it . This was my point .
It doesn't matter either if M Obama is running for president , once she got out there in the public and makes her speaches she is now part of the campaign yet she gets a free ride . It does not work this way and many Obama supporters don't get that part .

If she believes in being fair and open then is called such a Lady then she then should say the Hillary bashing is not good policy and not the proper attitude people should display and not the sort of american policy she supports .

I have not heard Hillary taking swipes at M Obama .
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:31 PM
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144. Really Michelle is not running , I would have never known .
You are a real class act , do the world a favor and don't vote we have enough ignorant fools voting already . Fools who resort to name calling , GET IT ?
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:34 PM
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98. Lay down the bitter cards dude.
What an ugly comment.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:20 AM
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101. read my other post , before passing judgement
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:52 AM by blues90
The day I hear Mrs Obama come out and say that the hate and bashing projected at Hillary is something that people should be ashamed of then I will have respect .

If you are ok with one sided politics then fine . I'm not . People seem to accept that dirty politics is ok and now acceptable and something to be desired as if it should be considered the norm without ever looking past that wall .

My entire point of saying what I said was not ugly it was to make the point that to put one candidate or their family on a higher plane than another is one sick attitude . so level the field if this is the case and let the dirt fly if this is what people desire .

I have read post after post on both sides and to say one side is right and the other wrong , well both sides are wrong .

I can easily dig out 100 posts that are what you call ugly . I point out ugly as the truth that people have made this ugly and if this is what they desire then no candidate or their families should be free from attacks .

If people feel the need to drag the entire Clinton family all these years through the mud then the very same should apply to the entire Obama family .

I find the attacks an abomination . It shows what sort of people make up this country and exposes the very root of all of our core problems . Ignorance is not bliss .

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:34 AM
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132. Isn't that the message? LADIES who keep their place won't be ripped to shreds.
They will be gushed over and called "likeable", complimented on their looks, their clothes, their hair, while a woman who dares to run for president will be cast as an "unlikeable" b*tch and have her looks demeaned as ugly or grotesque.

It makes me want to vomit.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:14 PM
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87. Does Michelle "periodically feel low" and then "launch attacks"?
Just another cookie-cutter blank space of a politician's wife.

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:01 PM
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91. "Cookie cutter blank space of a politician's wife?" Didn't read it, did you?
Of course you didn't. What a stupid and small comment you just posted here.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:56 AM
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118. She's just another political wife. A blank space. Only, she seems to be trying to capture the
Jackie O mindset. She even dresses like her.

Talk about petty and small and inconsequential. What a tremendous waste of intellect.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:59 AM
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131. You're not very smart are you?
From what I know of her, she seems to be quite an impressive woman. It's funny how often Hillary supporters cry sexist-wolf and yet seem to have no problem demeaning Michelle Obama.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:12 PM
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94. Is her husband pimping her out in this weird way?
That would not be a nice thing to do.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:10 PM
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93. yeah, and she knows her place. you won't catch her running for senate any time soon. nt
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:07 AM
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99. Great. More raging feminism.
:eyes:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:56 AM
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135. Great, more raging machismo. Crawl back in your cave. You'll be happier there as the world changes
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:48 AM
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139. LOL!!
I am a woman. Nice try though!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:05 AM
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122. Give her eight years. Obama-Obama-Obama-Obama.
Then Chelsea can run in 2024.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:23 AM
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102. very cool, she rocks!!
i love mrs obama
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demonsweat Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:55 AM
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108. worthless
:puke:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:00 AM
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112. wow this is a record
Putting someone on IGNORE on their very first post.

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:00 AM
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113. do not talk about yourself that way :(
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:58 AM
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111. Too bad Michelle isn't a "rock" for the Democratic Party. She's not quite sure
if she'll support Hillary should she become the party's nominee.:puke:
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:01 AM
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120. She's just another political wife. A blank space. She serves her purpose which is to advance her
husband's career.

She has no ideas of her own. She is a cardboard cut-out, perfectly molded into what her husband's advisors tell her she should be.

And this ridiculous notion that she can somehow recapture the Camelot days is hilarious.

She can try and dress up as Jackie O all she wants.

Nobody wants to return to those days.

We demand a seat at the table for WOMEN!

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:08 AM
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123. You mean like the seat at the table that Nancy Pelosi is wasting? n/t
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:14 AM
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124. Oh, she's so "likeable"! Now THAT'S a lady.....groan.
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