MI and FL are going to rip us apart! We need to step back a moment.

[Thepricebreaker]

I have a very very very bad feeling about what is going to happen to this party if FL and MI becomes front and center in the news.
It will be like Florida 2000 all over again, except its Dem vs Dem. This will NOT look good for us. We will have no voice or unity.
We have major party players on both sides chomping at the bit over this. I do not have an answer, But we should sit down and figure this out
before we do major damage to our party. While we fight this problem out, McCain is saving money, getting a ground game together and getting for free
what he would normally be spending money on (dems looking bad).

I can just see it now, Lawyers - Protests - The media frenzy - God help us all.

Our message will be clouded, and it will make our party look shady - regardless of who wins our nomination.
People will be bitter and angry and not want to GOTV or even vote themselves.

I'm a Obama supporter but a Democrat FIRST. What good will it do if we have some brokered convention or if people feel cheated (on either side).

At the end of the day - none of our candidates will have enough delegates to win the nomination. This problem WILL come to a head.
We have a real opportunity to deal with now before there is no going back.
Once things are set in motion to fight this out in the court system and within the party - we are going to be kicking ourselves later with McCain in office.

I really really fear this is a true possibility.

[sniffa]

1. This has already been resolved

[Dr. Strange]

4. It has?

What did I miss?

[sniffa]

7. They were stripped of their delegates

They have the option to redo, but that's it.

More threads about it doesn't make it the crisis HRC wishes it would be.

[Dr. Strange]

9. Ah, gotcha.

That really should be the end of it. Strange how the Clintons seem to have changed their mind about the FL and MI delegates.
Vote for change! Er, a changed mind, that is.

[JVS]

5. Yes. Howard Dean is a trustworthy leader and we should heed his judgement.

[jaysunb]

13. Amen

:thumbsup:

[MonkeyFunk]

23. That's just what the Republicans in Florida said in 2000

The votes have been counted, again and again. The results are in.

If you think this is resolved, you're nuts.

[NC_Nurse]

2. Most people don't give a shit. You need to step back from DU.

:-)

[MediaBabe]

14. UH OH

Looks life someone has a life. TSK* :hi:

[NC_Nurse]

18. Not today apparently....

:hi:

Don't know why I decided to step into this mire...:D

[cyclezealot]

3. no one gave a good crap

until there was a consideration of Hillary getting a few extra delegates. How Michigan or Florida votes in the General Election is no big deal.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. We're already ripped apart.

FL and MI delegates should be seated. No voters should be disenfranchised. EVER.

Then we have the little problem of Super Delegates. IF they vote the way they are suppose to vote, which is how they "WANT" to vote, we've already had threats of riots in the streets. It's a no win situation.....the party is divided....ripped apart already.

The Obama people don't want the MI and FL delegates seated because Obama might LOSE. Then, they don't want the long standing rule of Super delegates voting for the candidate OF THEIR CHOICE because Hillary might win. They want a win at all cost....to hell with the party. Sorry.

The party is already ripped apart. I've seen the threats of "THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY IF THE SUPER DELEGATES VOTE THE WAY THEY WANT TO VOTE and NOT the way WE OBAMA SUPPORTERS WANT THEM TO VOTE!"

[MediaBabe]

15. One small correction

"The Obama people" should read "The Obama people here at DU."

I haven't seen any sign of the outside world threatening annihilation and ruin. Only here at DU. Makes for a good show but little threat to the order of things elsewhere. :popcorn:

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Okay...the Obama people on DU.

:hi:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. FL Lawmaker: "My hope is we've blown up the whole primary system"

FLORIDA LAWMAKER JEREMY RING SAYS: "My hope is we've blown up the whole primary system," Ring said. "It would be the biggest legacy we'll get from this legislation."

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/21/me-primary-result-of-move-is-division/?news-politics

The moron hopes that he has mucked up the 2008 election.

[Blue State Bandit]

8. Someone posted some math afew days ago

that showed that concidering the proportional distribution of delegates, Obama could cover the diference even if the delegates are seated (MI's uncommited delegates going to Obama). It would be easier if he showed exceptionaly strong from here on out, but even if he just takes a lead, the pressure on the super"D"'s would be so that Obama can still take the nomination. And Hillary would contest it at risk of ruining her rep and the party-at-large.

I hope someone has the link.

[Gnister]

10. I Agree - Democrat FIRST

I Agree 100 % - Democrat FIRST. We need to stick together in order to beat the republican nominee in November!

[pbca]

11. It's up to FL and MI

They can still have legitimate primaries if they like. So far, at least according to the rules, they haven't had primaries so there is nothing to count.

If they chose not to have a primary, then there is no way for the party to count their votes.

[MediaBabe]

12. Not to worry

The only people getting in an unholy uproar about this NATION SHAKING CRISIS! are right here at DU and - I know this will come as a shock to you - we don't have one iota of impact on the rest of the world. They are safe and sane precisely because so many extremists have voluntarily isolated themselves and spend so much time here they don't have the time nor inclination to bother the outside world who don't know what we at DU are talking about and would have to have it all explained to them in little words and then they'd start asking questions and once that happens it's all over. The radicals would blow an artery because no one else gets in an instant panic and the less radical would begin to realize how foolish they sound to any one with a life.

[madfloridian]

16. There will be no party peace if Hillary sues for those delegates.

Bottom line.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. And there will be no party peace if Obama insists on Super Delegates voting for him if they don't

want to.....should he be ahead going into the convention. What if Hillary has the popular vote and Obama has the most pledged delegates? What then? Or...what if Hillary has the most pledged delegates and he has the popular vote? What then? What if Hillary STILL has the most Super Delegates going into the convention? What then?

[Dr. Strange]

20. If ANY candidate gets the nomination over another that has the majority of the popular vote...

then the party is going to get a black eye. The superdelegate thing should probably be tossed. Soon.

[JVS]

25. I wouldn't worry about the Super delegates.

The SDs know that if they override the voters, it will look bad. As a whole, they will back the winner of the voting, that's why so many of them are waiting for a clear winner before saying anything. If they had a dog in this fight, they'd say something to help.

I'd also like to remind you of a positive feature of the SDs. Once one candidate becomes mathematically eliminated (Say Hillary loses in OH or TX), SDs provide a mechanism to tell the loser to throw in the towel. The republicans don't have SDs and even though Huckabee has no chance, he keeps bugging McCain. Nobody can step in and say, "It ain't happening Mike, you'd have to win almost everything now" SDs can step in when they've decided it's over and tell a candidate that would need 80% victories in every state to go home.

[madfloridian]

24. I think superdelegates will do the right thing. If Hillary sues over FL.

it will rip us apart.

[RememberWellstone]

22. We?

You got a mouse in your pocket..the system will work just fine if we just let it go through it's natural process.

We will be just fine.

BTW, welcome to DU. :-)