Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bill Blames Obama for Ouster of Candidates

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:32 PM
Original message
Bill Blames Obama for Ouster of Candidates
NACOGDOCHES, Texas -- Continuing his swing through eastern Texas last night, Bill Clinton continued to slam Obama's discounting of "fights" of the past, even saying that Obama's argument can be blamed for the elimination of Democratic candidates who have already dropped out of the race.

<snip>

Bill Clinton added that Hillary believes in solutions, not speeches. He says that might be "a generational thing." But, in the same breath, he also touts his own speechmaking ability.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/16/671522.aspx


So, if your favorite candidate dropped out, it's all Obama's fault. And young people are kinda dumb. And speeches are bad, except for Bill's speeches.

Bill is one of the worst things happening in Hillary's campaign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:35 PM
Response to Original message
1. you know I actually thought they had the Big Dog chained to the porch
but, alas, he's still out there making a fool of himself. It's hard to believe I used to have such a high regard for him, but each time I catch a glimpse of him these days, he looks tired and beaten.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Just when you think he's gone
he's back humping someone else's leg.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
10. I think that while everyone was staring aimlessly at the newest
tracking polls they forgot to check the leash
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. I knew that wouldn't last..
It's been a disaster waiting to happen from day one and I just hope that we aren't the recepients.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
81. Video & Audio: Here's who wanted to eliminate the other candidates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Thanks, David..the clintons have
been at the point for a long time where there's no honesty involved.. the truth would be even more disasterous than the lies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #82
87. Bill Clinton is just destroying his reputation and making up stories that can be proved false.
Gee. It must be horrible to be a Clinton supporter and see this happening. It really is sad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #81
92. What the hell do facts have to do with this?
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. LOL!
You'd think they'd ask Bill to shut up if he's hell bent to attack Obama. It always backfires on him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. This is why I hope he continues with his diarrhea of the mouth.
Obama always goes up in the polls afterwards. Though, I admit, it sort of sad seeing him not as a great, savvy politician, but like a less-old version of Zell Miller.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #81
103. Nice one - PWNed!
I don't think the Clinton campaign quite gets that in the internet age, the 24 hour news cycle comes with a rewind button and channel changer. You can just put a trial balloon out there and hope to see if it lifts off or not - if it's not based in truth, then your trial balloon is going to get publicly popped pretty quickly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #81
108. Yeah. That still pisses me off. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
28. Bill is Obama's best hope
lets hope Bill overreaches some more....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #1
122. smells like desperation
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:36 PM
Response to Original message
2. Geez...this stuff doesn't even make sense. Sounds like he needs a rest.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:42 PM by blm
Campaigning nowadays isn't what it was in 1992, Bill. It's been EXTRA TOUGH since the GOP gained control of the broadcast newsmedia. Something you could have fixed before you left office, but didn't.

Take a rest for a couple days and then try again, Bill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. The speech thing sounds like his pride is hurt. He doesn't like the
attention Obama is getting for the wonderful speeches.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
43. I think he is trying to get Edwards and other supporters angry
at Obama
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
72. it didn't make sense to me, either
Just bizarre, disjointed rambling. I can't understand why Hillary doesn't shut him the hell up. It's her campaign, not his.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
129. Note that Bill's signing of the 1996 telecom bill largely contributed to our present media situation
there was plenty of bad policy implemented during Clinton's administration, along with whatever good they did.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:36 PM
Response to Original message
3. Get back in your crate big dog. You're acting a fool again.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:40 PM by jefferson_dem
n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
4. Man
I hope he continues like this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #4
107. I agree, let Bill rant
he just looks like one of those old men screaming at cars going by.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
5. We need to take up a collection to get the Big Dog a cup of
shut the f*** up.

Gawd, he's getting just like St. Ronnie. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iktomiwicasa Donating Member (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. Here ya go, Bill.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 06:43 PM by Iktomiwicasa
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Like sniffa just said..
"Man..I hope he continues like this"! :) Who's bil hurting? hilary..and it couldn't happen to a more slimey dino couple.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #5
55. Hell, no - I want him to keep right on talking.
He's digging himself in a little deeper every time he opens his mouth, and helping Obama. I used to really like Bill, but he has really damaged his legacy as an ex-President IMO, and also showing a side I hadn't really seen before, and didn't really want to.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
74. Or a cup of Valiums.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:39 PM
Response to Original message
7. Bill Blames Obama for Dodd, Richardson, Biden leaving?
If I read the quotes in the link correctly, the Big Dawg is blaming Obama for Richardson, Dodd, Biden and Edwards leaving the race?

I guess he is also saying that Kucinich was not a "good candidate" because he said only 4 good candidates left the race.

They need a muzzle on that guy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #7
61. hmm, sounds like it
"We just have to turn over a new leaf. And it is actually an advantage not to have any experience because then you never made anybody mad."

Is mad the word that comes to mind for people's reaction to Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Edwards, or Kucinich? No, that's the word about how many people react to the Clintons. If it was linked to experience, B, D, R, and K would have it WORSE than Hillary.

If Bill cares so much, why wasn't he campaigning for one of the real experience candidates back in December????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
9. How dumb does he think the public is?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
12. OMGWTF
My brain hurts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
14. Bill isn't helping his wife. He really should consider stuffing a sock in it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:41 PM
Response to Original message
15. good lord what as ass he's become. lol.
or maybe he always was one and I didn't notice.

:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:43 PM
Response to Original message
16. I think this is sad. He's an ex-president in an unfamiliar role, and he's not dealing with it well.
Bill Clinton loves the give and take of campaigns, but he's tarnishing his presidential legacy (which should have been better, admittedly) by his mudrolling.

This isn't what an ex-president could do best. I liked his move to Harlem and much of his work for the poor, but he's not distinguishing himself here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. This Is His Worst Nightmare
He sees it as a referendum on his presidency - and he's losing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. You're right, I think Bill-n-Hill never really contemplated what it would
mean if they actually lost--to another DEMOCRAT. I don't think they thought it was possible, frankly--and now Bill is feeling his power slipping away, along with his image as head of the party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. I thought this little article really showed the desperation the campaign, and
Bill particularly, is feeling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
39. I'm not at all sure that Obama is a democrat.
I wonder how all of you would like it if we slaughtered Michelle Obama the way you're slaughtering Bill Clinton?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. Has Michelle Obama Used "Fairy Tale" To Describe Visions Of Clinton?
Has Michelle Obama engaged in race baiting? Has Michelle Obama attacked the Clintons at all?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. Is Michelle Obama an ex-President?
That's the biggest thing for me - he has a HUGE audience. I used to love Bill, and now I think he's an ass.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #44
100. Yeah
Michelle said blacks should vote for Obama because he's black.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:08 AM
Response to Reply #100
116. Link? (eom)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #116
119. Michelle Obama stumps to sway black women to ......
But at the core of her message in South Carolina is her argument that Obama, more than Clinton, former North Carolina senator John Edwards or any other presidential candidate, will do more for blacks because he understands them better.

Ask yourselves," she admonished the crowd at South Carolina State, "who will fight to lift black men up so we don't have to keep locking them up? Who will confront racial profiling? Voter disenfranchisement?"

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/21909.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #119
121. and you find something wrong with that?
i agree with her. god knows, no other president has worked on those things. they just want our votes every four years, and screw you in between. good for michelle.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. I don't find anything wrong with it
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 01:06 PM by creeksneakers2
Hillary appeals to women too. I just answered a post that said she didn't, I said she did, you said prove it and I did.

What does (eom) stand for?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. so we're agreed that every candidate plays to the audience they're
addressing? Remember the infamous "Ah don't feel noways tired". Hillary was addressing her black audience in SC. I just wanted to be clear that Michelle wasn't doing anything any other campaign is doing.

(eom)=end of message
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. slaughter Bill - you haven't been reading the posts
We want to take a collection and put him on cable 24 hours a day. It would create a landslide for Obama and the revenue from the commercials would be sweet. Everybody loves a train wreck.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #39
50. do you mean here on this board, or in the m$m?
do what you feel you need to, but as you can see, the clinton camps attacks only seem to have bolstered obama's campaign/popularity? nice tactic, if you can get away with it...a "roll of the dice", if you will.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #39
56. We KNOW Bill is a Bushprotector - something that bothers you not at all.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Bill has GREAT timing defending Bush for 3 focking weeks straight in 2004:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #39
63. Michelle Obama isn't lobbying verbal nukes
She is campaigning FOR her husband, not AGAINST a candidate.

Believe me -- people pick up the difference between a positive message and a negative one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #63
109. Excellent -- and accurate -- distinction. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
77. Michelle Obama is not running for president
nor is she a former president.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #39
78. Sounds suspiciously like that "Wes Clark is a republican!" meme from so long ago. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #39
114. Obama isn't a Democrat? Talk about a sore loser.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #20
35. Bingo!
I actually want to feel sorry for him. He was a good president in many ways, and he is brilliant. So it is sad seeing him being so inept for his wife's cause. Except that it is hard to feel sorry for someone who is acting so mean-spirited as he has been doing the past month or so. I feel a great sense of loss for the respect i once had for the man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
128. Well, Maybe He Just Loves His Wife
Love can make people do things they regret. Sound familiar to anyone?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gerrilea Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:46 PM
Response to Original message
18. I just read the link and it doesn't make much sense except
As a headline grabber...were did all of you Clinton haters come from? Did you all forget the 8 years of prosperity we all enjoyed? Or how the Country felt as a whole...I was proud to be an American then with Bill as my President!

God Willing, HRC will do the same when she's in the White House...most likey she will do more for us...she has the experience and the abilities...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #18
41. contrary to what you believe, i don't think the majority of us here
are "clinton haters" as you say. We're commenting on what was once a brilliant statesman, now reduced to beating up members of his own party, for his wife's political gain. and in retrospect, the big dawg's policies (nafta, the telecommunications act, welfare reform, etc) as it turns out, weren't all that great afterall.

i adored bill clinton the statesman, however i deplore bill clinton the campaigner.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gerrilea Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #41
58. I wish more people would have the respect and common sense
you stated...It makes sense...

I didn't agree with nafta or the tele comm act......but had I really been paying attention back then...I would have been outraged...but the internet was young and the only sources of news was the MSM...welfare reform had to happen and I agreed with it...

Who said that Politics had to be nice anyways...or fair...

If Bill did anything less for his wife I would be ashamed of him...currently I think some of his stuff is blown out of proportion by the MSM and it's reguritated here on the DU...

But thanks for posting something concrete here...not ranting how bad he is...now
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:46 PM
Response to Original message
19. I thought Bill Clinton was a smart man and a skilled politician.
But he has been bad for Hillary's campaign. He's sinking her. Could he be subconsciously rejecting the idea of his wife being POTUS?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
65. That's what I'm wondering
And he's also not helping out by giving a glimpse of what he'll be like if she does get elected. Just seems like he has a hard time letting her have the limelight instead of him. A shame, really.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. Gosh, based on the campaign, can you imagine what would happen
in regards to foreign policy, if Bill was let off the leash as "First Gentleman"? He'd evidently do anything to keep the attention on himself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Yes. It seems very strange
I never did care for Bill, but I did respect his extraordinary schmoozing abilities. It just doesn't make sense that he makes one gaffe another another. If somehow she does become prez I hope he gets over it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #65
91. Yeah, a shame. She is a smart woman but Bill isn't making her look like much of a leader. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
21. Young people are kinda young. I hear this every dozen years or so
And yes, it's as tiresome to us as it is to you. Experience counts - and there is no wrong kind of experience. I've learned as much from my mistakes as my victories.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
62. Can't see where voting for the IWR was that great of an experience?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #62
99. Actually, you're making my case for me. You see the experience as a
negative ... I point out your candidate hasn't been tested for fortitude. Of course, HRC took measure of the landscape before casting her vote - I was impressed at the time, although I opposed it publicly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #21
111. But I don't feel Hillary learned from her mistake of trusting and believing
Bush when she voted for the IWR. Otherwise she wouldn't have voted for Kyl-Lieberman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
22. This is the section that I found particularly telling:
"Clinton went on to tout -- at length -- his own speech-making abilities, as if to one-up the crowds of tens of thousands appearing at Obama's rallies in recent weeks. "I've been told I give a pretty good speech," he said, grinning. He mentioned attendance of over a million at a speech in Africa, and over 100,000 when he spoke at the Brandenburg Gate after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

"I know the importance of words and inspiration," he said. "

So, speeches are bad, unless Bill does them. They aren't important if Obama uses inspiring words...only if a Clinton utters them. The arrogance is a wondrous thing to see.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. oh... my.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
36. Bill is jealous
Bill is so insistent on being the best, and he views Obama as a threat - taking the torch away, so to speak. Instead of embracing him, he's comparing how many people show up for his speeches?!?!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #36
51. remember when they were saying that Bill was getting into Obama's head
Obama makes a couple of remarks about RR and Bill hasn't been the same since. CNN ticker "Obama doesn't appreciate my legacy" lol
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
40. I saw nothing wrong with what he said.
Ya'll are just overbearing zealots.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #40
49. Seriously? Based on Hillary's stump speech now saying that talk is
cheap and now we have Bill saying how words are inspirational, as long as they are his words? You don't see any dissonance in that?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #22
42. i also hear a little sadness in those words....
it's as if he sees his legacy being overshadowed by this relative newcomer, and he's trying to relive his glory days vicariously through hillary? it's kinda sad really.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #22
59. I heard a clip of him on a knoxville radio station asking people to vote for him
obviously a freudian slip..lol But I swear, I'm starting to feel sorry for Hillary...not enough to want her to win mind you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #59
112. I heard about that. I thought it was kind of telling. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #22
101. Bill said that?
Bill said speeches are bad unless he does them? No. Why act like he did? Why do Hillary haters have to make stuff up all the time if she's such a terrible person?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #22
105. That scores pretty high on the irny scale...
considering the Berlin Wall fell during the presidency of Bush41, and arguably had a lot to do with the Reagan/Bush administrations being willing to spend the USSR into the ground and cause it to go bankrupt. It is actually to Bush41's credit that the Societ bloc crumbled in fairly peaceful fashion and he didn't engage in public triumphalism or something.

So for BIll Clinton to pat himself on the back for speaking to so many people at the Brandenburg gate, when the Berlin wall fell during a GOP administration...that's pretty lame. In that particular case, Bill was in the right place at the right time, and can't take any credit for the historical developments.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:55 PM
Response to Original message
23. Keep it up, Bill. You'll be back to making big bucks for your speeches in no time.
And not as the First Man.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
25. Oh Jesus. Now Obama is to blame for being a savagely good candidate.
HIs wife only barely managed to escape Obama's evil powers of successful campaigning. Go away, Bill, you have grown tiresome.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
26. I'll say it again -- Bill doesn't want Hillary to be President
the only question is whether it is a conscious choice on his part to wreck her candidacy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
27. Oh GAWD this is funny! and the posters comments here too
checked the link and found this last line hilarious!!!!!!!!!!

"I know the importance of words and inspiration," he said.

He should splain it to Hillary.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #27
46. That line needs make it's way to the campaign.
Obama could say, even Bill said he knows the importance of words and inspiration.....

Of course, I am sure that the campaign has people who do nothing but keep up with all that stuff.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #46
102. Great idea!
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:00 AM by creeksneakers2
Obama should take Bill's words out of context and twist them to mean something else! That would show everybody what a hope inducing unifier Obama is!

:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:13 AM
Response to Reply #102
117. oh please give it up! it has to be exhausting for you guys repeatedly
having to tell us what Bill "really meant" when it's as plain as the nose on your face. Bill happens to be one of the most skilled politicians in this nation's history, he knows the value of words...you know like what the meaning of "is" is. He doesn't say anything without thinking about it carefully.

Nobody has to twist his words to figure out his intent. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #117
126. Is is the present tense of the verb to be
Bill had to explain that to grand jury inquisitors who demanded to know why Clinton didn't jump up and object when his own lawyer said "Mr. Clinton IS not having an affair with Monica Lewinsky." Like Bill was supposed to anxiously and voluntarily provide self incriminating information to witch hunters against the advice of his own lawyers to make sure that while his lawyers statements were true that they didn't omit any culpability.

That's what IS is. A right wing witch hunter slime job.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:04 PM
Response to Original message
30. Don't Mess with Big Dog!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kipmurr Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
31. The MSM's early coronation of Obama
pretty much did in a lot of candidates. Edwards and Richardson were totally ignored.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. Obama got attention, true, but
the one that was coronated all of last year was Hillary, the inevitable one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #54
71. That one didn't last long
RIP
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #71
113. ....
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:06 PM
Response to Original message
33. They should have never let the (Big) Dog out!
He is pissing all over Hillary's campaign.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:06 PM
Response to Original message
34. That is odd because the video I saw
had Hillary and Edwards with their heads together. Go figure. Peace, Kim
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
37. "Solutions you can believe in..."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #37
52. getting ready for day one?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:09 PM
Response to Original message
38. Keeping helping Obama, Bill.
You're really good at making the case for him. :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
47. How long ago was the interview he gave before Maine?
~ 10 days? When he said that he will no longer attack, just sing Hillary's praise. Maybe the quotes in the linked article are out of context, I do not know, but some of the statements are almost worrisome in their lack of sense and inconsistency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:21 PM
Response to Original message
48. It seems so difficult for Bill to accept that the Clinton era is over.
He ego is sooooo bruised.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
53. Just retire, Bill
There's a whole slew of third-rate dictators out there waiting to be charmed out of their money. And you can say it was all for charity.

Duty calls.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:34 PM
Response to Original message
60. Keeping talking Bill
and your mouth will talk Obama right into the nomination. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:46 PM
Response to Original message
64. GO BILL GO !!!
:woohoo:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 07:56 PM
Response to Original message
66. That is crazy - they dropped out because they were not winning
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 08:01 PM by karynnj
Though one candidate did opt not to run because he was stabbed in the back ..... by HRC. Who does he intent to win with this rhetoric? I am so tired of Bill Clinton - glad he continues to remind me why I dislike him.

Rather ironic when HRC planned for the race to over on SuperTuesday with only her as a candidate. (Also this is normal - this time last year - only Kuchinich and Edwards were still in with Kerry and neither had a real chance to win.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:07 PM
Response to Original message
68. Yay, Bill!
His point being that if Obama weren't in the race, Edwards still would be. Of course.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:09 PM
Response to Original message
69. Bill Clinton is not helping his wife's campaign at all imo. I hope he keeps it up :-D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
73. I hope the Obama campaign is paying him
A fair wage :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:41 PM
Response to Original message
75. This video shows who wanted to eliminate the other candidates. Bill Clinton needs to keep quiet.
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 08:43 PM by David Zephyr
Once again a simple video shows who wanted to eliminate the other candidates. And it wasn't Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwgLlDbwNwU&feature=related
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. It isn't as if Obama's campaign's aides told the press they "hoped" a candidate would be eliminated
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. Who will you believe? A videotape or one of Bill's stories?
Video with the audio?

Or faith in Bill's stories?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
80. Holy shit. He's officially thrown a rod...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #80
85. excellent
:mrburns:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:11 PM
Response to Original message
83. it`s all about him
i`m starting to feel sorry for her...she`s had penn and doyle bankrupt her campaign and her husband undermining what is left of her creditability. from a very large lead before iowa to losing...i`m sorry hillary, it`s about judgments..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:11 PM
Response to Original message
84. I hope this story really gets picked up haha.
BILL CLINTON = JOKE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Franks Wild Years Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:13 PM
Response to Original message
86. It's kind of poignant.
He's the stubborn old man, so unfathomably out of touch with the modern world, one whose mouth will always get him into trouble given half a chance. His time has long gone, and his relevance fades further into the blue yonder with every passing moment. I just hope that after the Clintons remove themselves from this race that they are able to accept their failure and seek redemption by doing all they can to help make sure our Democratic candidate emerges victorious in the race for the White House this year.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:13 PM
Response to Original message
88. Bill Clinton, along with the rest of his family, are becoming a total embarrassment.
he needs to STFU!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:18 PM
Response to Original message
89. Dear God.
I'm very saddened by the behavior of Bill Clinton lately. I used to be a fan. It's really disappointing. This has nothing to do with Barack and Hillary - this has to do with a bubble being burst and an admired person being shown to be quite unworthy of that admiration. I feel like I had the wool pulled over my eyes - ah well, disillusionment happens to the best of us.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
90. He's probably filling Edward's head with this spin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
94. I'm glad that Bill Clinton has recognized the true evil that is Barack HUSSEIN!!! Obama.
YOU MUST BOW TO OBAMA. YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED...

:crazy:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:38 PM
Response to Original message
96. Don't expect logic with the Clintons in their battle against their own legacy
Bill is slickly blaming Obama for giving a good speech,

which he brags about his own speech giving talents himself,

over solutions (which his wife doesn't really have on her own),

except for the solutions he made (like NAFTA, DOMA, Telecommunications Act, China free trade, etc.),

which she conveniently disagrees with now (except that she is on record agreeing with),

and thinks it might just be a "generational thing",

thus alienating the younger voters coming into the Democratic Party fold,

and making is YET ANOTHER CONVINCING ARGUMENT that the Clintons are all about themselves,

and are stunningly brilliant at being DIVISIVE...

Bill, you forget to mention that Obama was like Jesse Jackson and that you were ALWAYS against the war...

:puke:



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:40 PM
Response to Original message
97. What has happened to Bill?
He's ruining his reputation with the comments he keeps making. It really doesn't make sense. It's like he now has a political tin ear.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:42 PM
Response to Original message
98. Bill Clinton is acting like a jerk. Not that I believe he is one, but he's acting like one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:01 AM
Response to Original message
104. That's not what he said. I don't know why this is so hard to understand
He's talking about Obama's embrace of the "negatives" created by the right-wing attacks--and he's dead on. You Obamas on this board think you have better political sense than Bill Clinton? You don't even understand the article!

"If you fought you made somebody mad, and you got cut up," he said, parodying what he says is Obama's "explicit argument" against Clinton. "We just have to turn over a new leaf. And it is actually an advantage not to have any experience because then you never made anybody mad."

Clinton added that the strategy of equating experience with the taint of partisan injury "has been very effective in this campaign."

"It has already taken four candidates out, four good candidates out," he said. "And it would have taken Hillary out if she didn't have so much grassroots support and so much guts in the face of a lot of what has happened here. "
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:11 AM
Response to Original message
106. Bill didn't say anything like what you claim he said
This is just another cheap word twisting slime attack against Bill.

Bill says speeches and hope aren't enough to create change. He's right. The part about the other candidates was just admitting that Obama's strategy of selling hope as a solution and fighting as wrong worked for him so far.

Bill never said speeches are bad. He said speeches aren't enough by themselves.

He never said young people are dumb. He said generations keep score differently and he uses the old fashioned method of measuring success.

Its all just the same inspiration versus experience argument that's been going on the whole time. And as always, the same slime attacks always launched against the Clintons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:05 AM
Response to Original message
110. IMO, Bill Clinton is NOW an embarrassment to our Country. Send him on an golfing trip with POPPY?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:29 AM
Response to Original message
115. Bill used to give good speeches, but his speeches are terrible now. His long-winded,
dull speeches look like they were putting people to sleep in NH.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:20 AM
Response to Original message
118. Just another Clinton lie
Someone tell me why we should trust these lying Clintons to run the country again? It was Clinton and Edwards who conspired to stop democracy by not including the other candidates in the debates thereby marginalizing them in the media.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 11:30 AM
Response to Original message
120. Why oh why is he doing this again?
Every time he goes on the attack he becomes a distraction and, deservedly or not, the press makes it All About Bill Clinton for another news cycle or two. This is entirely predictable at this point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
124. What an idiotic statement to make.
It's an election, Bill! It means that someone wins and someone loses!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:33 PM
Response to Original message
127. Dear Bill: Other candidates leaving the race is the objective.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 12:35 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC