So much screaming about the Michigan and Florida primaries and so little discussion.

[last1standing]

I won't try to talk about Florida, but I'm a Michigan resident who has seen first hand what caused the problems here and it wasn't the DNC. It was the connivance of our local politicians who figured they could boost their careers by backing the "inevitable" candidate, Hillary Clinton. I was an Edwards backer who feels that there isn't really much difference between the two media appointed Dems now asking us to choose which minority we like best("will it be the woman or the african-american? Tune in next week to CNN to see who gets voted off"), so I don't really care who gets the nomination. However, if anyone wants to actually read an article from the most knowledgeable political columnist in Michigan, please feel free to check the link.

http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=12474

[goldcanyonaz]

1. What about Michigan local politicians who pushed the Uncommitted vote?

I now live in Arizona but am still a Tax payer in Michigan since we own property there.

And, The Metro Times is nothing more than a Free bar guide for mostly Oakland County.

[last1standing]

4. That free bar guide still beats the Hell out of anything else we have here.

And there were a lot more heavy hitting local politicians pushing Clinton than any of the others combined. Like I said, I don't care if she gets the nomination or not, but it should at least be a fair vote, not this back room deal the locals have going on now.

[TexasObserver]

2. You must have missed the 400 threads with 100 responses each

I assure you, every possible approach has been stated at least 50 times each.

[last1standing]

5. I'll admit to having skipped a few.

But then I get tired of hearing the same partisan hacks screaming about the same damned thing over and over again. I just figured I'd drop this column in here and see if it made anyone think twice.

[sandnsea]

3. Very informative

"But Brewer went along with Debbie Dingell, who wanted to make a name for herself and for Michigan nationally by establishing the early primary. Back then, no one — not they (nor this writer) — thought Barack Hussein Obama had any serious chance.

They all thought it was going to be Clinton vs. Edwards. More importantly, our arrogant local Democrats (especially Dingell) didn't think the party would really punish them for breaking the rules.

Guess what. They did. The national Democratic Party took all of Michigan's delegates away. They asked the candidates not to campaign here, and none of the serious ones did. Then they asked the candidates to take their names off the Michigan ballot.

And all the major ones did ... except Hillary Clinton. She said in New Hampshire that it was no big deal, because "Michigan's vote is not going to count for anything." That was when she thought she was participating in a coronation, not a nomination fight."

[dkf]

6. Thank you for posting...

Very interesting to note all the shenanigans that people go through to try to game the system.

[madfloridian]

7. Hey....I been discussing.

A whole lot. People wish I would go away.

:rofl:

[UALRBSofL]

8. This is the last thing I heard about the Florida Delegates

Florida democrats will hold caucuses March 1 to choose delegates based on the Jan 29th primary elections. It looks like Hillary would get 107 delegates and Obama would get 63 delegates. What I understand is Karen Thurman basically said they will be seated this way or they wont be seated at all. What I got from it is they are planning on going to Denver in August to be seated accordingly to our primary we had on the 29th. Now, I can't say whether this is accurate or not because it was just word of mouth.

[madfloridian]

10. There are no delegates in Florida.

I heard that, too. It is wishful thinking.

[backscatter712]

9. What's there to discuss?

Florida's legislature, including Democrats, chose to break DNC rules by moving up their primary before Super Tuesday, and they got punished.

I think I'm being generous when I suggest that to avoid disenfranchising voters, new elections be held in Florida and Michigan, with all the surviving candidates on the ballot, with full campaigning, and no voters told to stay home. That's the fairest way to do it without shutting out those voters.

Any attempt to seat the delegates from these two states without holding new elections is quite frankly gaming the system and circumventing the rules, and I won't have it. End of discussion.