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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:51 PM
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The Contrasting Foreign Policy Teams of Clinton and Obama.
"During the lead-up to the war, Obama’s advisors were suspicious of the Bush administration’s claims that Iraq somehow threatened U.S. national security to the extent that it required a U.S. invasion and occupation of that country. For example, Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor in the Carter administration, argued that public support for war “should not be generated by fear-mongering or demagogy.”

By contrast, Clinton’s top advisor and her likely pick for secretary of state, Richard Holbrooke, insisted that Iraq remained “a clear and present danger at all times.”

Brzezinski warned that the international community would view the invasion of a country that was no threat to the United States as an illegitimate an act of aggression. Noting that it would also threaten America’s leadership, Brzezinski said that “without a respected and legitimate law-enforcer, global security could be in serious jeopardy.” Holbrooke, rejecting the broad international legal consensus against offensive wars, insisted that it was perfectly legitimate for the United States to invade Iraq and that the European governments and anti-war demonstrators who objected “undoubtedly encouraged” Saddam Hussein.

Another key Obama advisor, Joseph Cirincione of the Carnegie Endowment, argued that the goal of containing the potential threat from Iraq had been achieved, noting that “Saddam Hussein is effectively incarcerated and under watch by a force that could respond immediately and devastatingly to any aggression. Inside Iraq, the inspection teams preclude any significant advance in WMD capabilities. The status quo is safe for the American people.”

By contrast, Clinton advisor Sandy Berger, who served as her husband’s national security advisor, insisted that “even a contained Saddam” was “harmful to stability and to positive change in the region,” and therefore the United States had to engage in “regime change” in order to “fight terror, avert regional conflict, promote peace, and protect the security of our friends and allies.”

Meanwhile, other future Obama advisors, such as Larry Korb, raised concerns about the human and material costs of invading and occupying a heavily populated country in the Middle East and the risks of chaos and a lengthy counter-insurgency war.

And other top advisors to Senator Clinton – such as her husband’s former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright – confidently predicted that American military power could easily suppress any opposition to a U.S. takeover of Iraq. Such confidence in the ability of the United States to impose its will through force is reflected to this day in the strong support for President Bush’s troop surge among such Clinton advisors (and original invasion advocates) as Jack Keane, Kenneth Pollack, and Michael O’Hanlon. Perhaps that was one reason that, during the recent State of the Union address, when Bush proclaimed that the Iraqi surge was working, Clinton stood and cheered while Obama remained seated and silent.

These differences in the key circles of foreign policy specialists surrounding these two candidates are consistent with their diametrically opposed views in the lead-up to the war."


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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 11:59 PM
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1. I heard Mallloy discussing this the other day
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 12:00 AM by Redbear
Thanks for posting it.

Its one of the best arguments I have heard for favoring Obama over Clinton.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:09 AM
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2. yeah its a great article in its entirety. Lots of info.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:11 AM
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3. Brilliant argument. Bookmarked.
thanks for posting
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 01:42 AM
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4. K & R nt
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:21 AM
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5. K&R
Excellent article. Bookmarked, and will be sure to show others.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 04:28 AM
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6. Thanks for the info! I tend to think that Obama won't be permitted, by the
war profiteers, to end the war, even if he wants to--and that his supporters (who I think are flocking to him in the hope that he will) may be in for disappointment. War is all that our government does any more. Maybe this will be remedied by Great Depression II, or global warming disaster, or--eventually--by an activated citizenry. Obama certainly does that--activates the citizenry, especially the young, and that ain't bad. It takes more than a president to reform a country. It takes the whole country. But this info is helpful nevertheless--it is a counter to what I perceive as Obama's somewhat fudged position on the Iraq War, and adds weight to his sincerity about it.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 05:50 AM
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7. Great information. Thanks! nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 06:14 AM
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8. Richard Clarke is also advising Obama
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:28 AM
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9. Now that is a snub I can live with. =) nt.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 09:28 AM by cooolandrew
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 12:48 PM
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10. kick nt
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 02:39 PM
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11. So it's the "measured" imperialists vs. the blind zealots...
While the fraud and bankruptcy of the "measured" imperialists, thanks to a BIG PUSH from the blind zealots, has been thoroughly exposed to anyone in command of their faculties (maybe 2% of the population), they would appear to be (and probably are) less dangerous. That's what it boils down to.

The only game from the start is to minimize our loss. Even Kucinich, God bless him, contributes to the illusion that we can "win". Collectively, we have squandered the only hope we had to repudiate the BIG LIE. And it was handed to us on a silver platter in the naked, brazen fraud of George Bush.

In retrospect, and to our horror, we see that it couldn't have been different. The psychological ground for the acquiescence and betrayal of the American people had been sown by the time most of them were in 3rd grade. They are and will remain committed to the BIG LIE. And we few committed to dispelling the LIE will be left to fend for ourselves.
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