It's not just the PLAGIARISM Dummy.....

[boston bean]

BO has built his whole campaign around these uplifting speeches, which are not authentic.

To find out that these speeches have been given before by another political candidate in MA makes them ring hollow.

People will realize these are not his words, not his feelings and feel duped.

They will soon begin to see his speeches as a campaign tactic, not as HOPE or CHANGE or Yes We Can!

[adabfree]

1. Time will tell...wait...there's a primary tomorrow...let's see

how it all turns out..and just how hurt he is...

[Bitwit1234]

35. The mind numbing lemming type of followers don't give

a hoot if he is the worst person out there, they are following blind. I never saw a universial cult before, but it's out there.

[redstate_democrat]

126. As Hillary once said,

"that hurts my feeeeelings" insert *tears*

Attributed to Hillary Clinton, the creator of the phrase and non-plagiarist!

a hoot if he is the worst person out there, they are following blind. I never saw a universial cult before, but it's out there.

[tekisui]

2. Of course it's a campaign tactic.

And it's a helluva lot better than Hillary's!

Look who's leading.

[Thrill]

3. YAWN

[boston bean]

5. If you're that tired, go take a nap. don't waste the energy on the post. nt

[Thrill]

7. No I'm tired of your post

[boston bean]

18. Too bad for you that I'm not tired of posting. lol lol lol

:rofl:

[terrya]

4. Well....he's not a dummy.

I'm just now reading about this story. So I really don't know anything about it.

But calling Obama a dummy is uncalled for.

[boston bean]

6. I wasn't calling him a dummy, I was using a phrase like

"it's the economy stupid".

[dkf]

8. Good grief, just because Obama and Patrick quote JFK and MLK

they are giving the same speeches?

This is a joke. And it is a SMEAR.

Frankly, the foundation of Obama's campaign and his world view are in his book, which he wrote before David Axelrod.

In fact, I would say that if Axelrod was inspired by Obama, then Deval Patrick's campaign was founded on Obama's.

So it becomes a question of what came first...

I loved Obama's speech at the 04 convention. All the other speeches I see stem from that same spirit. I say Obama came first, then Patrick.

[boston bean]

9. good argument!

:crazy:

[dkf]

20. Obama's "just words" is a simple refutation to Hillary's attacks.

It is not the foundation of his campaign.

This is bogus.

[boston bean]

28. The same words used by Deval Patrick against Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey in our Gubernatorial race. nt

[dkf]

42. Hillary using Republican attack words and tactics...how nice.

[boston bean]

49. This is the irrefutable truth. boy, you guys sure are sensitive......

[durrrty libby]

68. They are not sensitive. They are strung out on Hopium

Even interventions are not always successful with addicts.

[Tennessee Gal]

10. The words are almost identical, if not completely identical.

Plagarism.

[dkf]

17. Again, quotes of the most important speeches in our

lifetime. So yes, they will be the same words as they are the same speeches. Oh boy.

[Tennessee Gal]

19. The words between the quotes are identical.

That is plagarism.

[dkf]

21. haha, the two words? Thats a joke.

[Tennessee Gal]

24. Watch the videos.

[LulaMay]

43. Say that to a speech writer. The best speeches often use few words, but masterfully woven together.

He lifted that speech.

[boston bean]

23. Are you saying my governor Deval Patrick gave one of the greatest speeches ever in our lifetime? nt

[Tennessee Gal]

31. Obama plagarized some lines from his speech.

[boston bean]

33. I know, why do you think us up here in MA didn't give O the go ahead. We heard it all before. nt

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

112. Do me a favor, would you?

Learn how to spell plagiarism before you accuse some of plagiarism.

And if you'd bother to do a little research on this subject, you'd know that most political speech freely borrow from one another. Do a little digging and you'll find other speeches over the past twenty years that used the same rhetoric -- I'll bet you that Paul Wellstone probably did something similar.

[dkf]

32. "Just words" is not what the center of Obama's campaign is

Its a refutation to attacks.

[boston bean]

34. He used the same speech, maybe he isn't paying axelrod enough to write him some new material. nt

[dkf]

44. You think I'm supporting Obama because of his words refuting a Hillary attack?

What a joke.

[boston bean]

61. No, he (O) says words are important, are they or are they not to you? nt

[dkf]

69. Words are important because they communicate and help us understand one another.

Words help create actions...if no words are spoken, how can people coordinate?

I think it would have helped Hillary if she had heard the words "We are running out of money" before Iowa.

[boston bean]

70. It does not negate the fact that he is using these altruisms as his own when all it is, is a cheap

political tactic.

Many people have been inspired by his words, will they be inspired when they realize he is using someone elses speech?

[dkf]

74. Does it matter the exact words used?

What matters is how people receive these words and how they react. If Obama's words can motivate a nation to re-energize and get our people off our lazy fat asses, and it produces real meaningful action, will you be crying "just words"?

Words aren't cheap. And if I say "Yes we Can" and you say "Yes we Can" and we actually DO IT, isn't it a good thing we were saying the same words?

[boston bean]

75. People, once they realize they have been had, will not be so inspired.

That's all I'm saying.

[dkf]

77. Why have people been had?

No thought is ever original...unless you are some genius scientist or something.

And wouldn't it be sad for this country if we let this stupid argument be a reason to sit on our lazy asses again?

"Oh, those 3 sentences he uttered sounded like this other guy, so I'm going to give up on changing this country."

Dammit, you are giving up on us as a people and I'm pissed.

[boston bean]

80. He is re-packaged goods ala Deval Patrick. Once people realize this, and this is just the beginning

there are many more for instances, you will understand what I mean about being "had".

[dkf]

81. You fail to see him as a human being, instead you see candidates as

creations of some Svengali or something.

You've seen too much of the Clinton's. Some other thread has a comment about Hillary using an acting coach. Now that is manufacturing a candidate.

[boston bean]

86. Not quite, I've lived through 8 years of a piss poor president the media shoved down our throats.

I've lived through the uniter, not divider.

I've lived through the guy you want to have a beer with.

I've lived through carefully crafted Rovian tactics and untruths.

I've lived through the created candidate/president and want nothing to do with another one.

[dkf]

98. You have no faith. I gotcha.

[boston bean]

108. And that's all you have. nt

[dkf]

114. No, I believe I have the measure of the man, and I like it.

I like how he got a great education and still felt his first calling was to people who didn't have much. I like how his priority is to create transparency in government. I like his family and the obvious respect and love he feels for Michelle and his girls. I relate to his upbringing here in the state of Hawaii where we meld cultures and people, and I appreciate the different perspective on life that it gives.

I like his aspirations of a country working together to solve problems regardless of race, gender, etc.

I like his value systems. I like that he was against the Iraq War.

Really I could go on and on.

[JPZenger]

40. Patrick Gave Obama Permission

Patrick endorsed Obama, and suggested that Obama use some of the wording that he had previously used. Patrick was functioning the same as any other speechwriter. Does a politician have to list everyone who helped to write his speeches?

[LulaMay]

45. He's led the public to believe it's HIS speech. That's plagerism.

[Cameron27]

87. That's right,

when you're borrowing someone else's talking points it's customary to acknowlege that fact. "In the words of," "As my freind D. Patrick liked to say" ...

[LulaMay]

41. Yes, because it wasn't just the quoting, it was the speech written in between the quotes

It is virtually identical.

[RaleighNCDUer]

91. And John Stewart made Huckabee, dammit! nt

[Nitrogenica]

11. Kinda sounds like you hate Barack. What if he wins?

Will you support Barack Obama if he wins, or keep this up after August?

[boston bean]

12. I don't hate barack. I think he's a phony though. nt

[Nitrogenica]

14. Will you support him if he wins?

[boston bean]

16. yes

[cd3dem]

83. Would you support him if it came out that his campaign was corrupt?

I just heard from our Senate District Chair in charge of our Caucus that her sister who is Chair of Rochester MN just found out that a bus full of Somalians was brought in to their caucus and given ballots with Obama's name already written on it and after they placed the votes in the box were put back on the bus, never having registered on the register and no accountability of who they were...

but the votes were counted....

the thing with caucuses are there is a lot of room for fraud.. no ID's were checked in MN and people could have easily voted multiple times...

[Nitrogenica]

89. If it turns out he's personally responsible for it, no.

I hesitate to buy into the Swift Boat bullshit, however.

"Guilt by association" is a very popular smear that's been used too often by the right, and I'm tired of it.

[cd3dem]

115. if this is how his supporters are winning caucuses

how can we go along with the notion that super-delegates MUST vote for him because he has the most states? I am not saying he has encouraged this... I have no way of knowing... but if you look at some of the things said and done... you have to wonder if you can trust a closed campaign... you cannot criticize him or you are called racist, desperate, angry, old-political ways.... and someone who refuses to discuss issues but relies on momentum and inspiration!!! either the super-delegates vote for him or his voters will not support the democratic nominee... all this sounds controlling to me!

I am very skeptical myself of anyone and anything... I believe Wellstone was killed so Norm Coleman could win his Senate seat... he was killed in a small plane crash just months before the 2002 election... people will KILL for power and I trust no one!!!

[boston bean]

103. Really! wow. I wouldn't vote for him if he is corrupt. nt

[cd3dem]

109. I heard this from a very trust worthy friend

I cannot say that Obama is responsible for this but his people have consistency showed a lack of respect for the system... and he has by his leadership or lack there of been responsible...

I could not sleep last night after hearing this and my friend has an ulcer from all the stress...

I am really afraid that after we regained the congress after republican scandals that we too will fall!

Obama is claiming the super-delegates are his because he has won these states.. but I will tell you in my caucus and what I heard around our state.. our voting that day was corrupt!

we are going to push for primaries and legitimate voting for next time...

[FunkyLeprechaun]

104. Why would you say that?

There's quite a large Somali community in Rochester. We had a programme in my high school called ESL to help the Somali people learn English. In the nineties we saw quite a large influx of Somali and Cambodian immigrants to Rochester. If you don't believe me, you should swing by Mayo HS and ask to see one of their yearbooks and you'll see that plenty of Somali students attended MHS.

They could have been newly naturalised US citizens, lived in Rochester for some time etc. Maybe they were new to the caucus. I'll have to have a chat with some of my relatives that are still there to see if anything like that happened. Seeing as I grew up there (lived there for 25 years) and experienced the changes of Rochester and became friends with a couple of Cambodian and Somali students as well.

[cd3dem]

113. repeat, given ballots with Obama's name on them and they did not register their names or addresses

I know many Somalians and respect them, but to bus in people who seemingly do not know what they are doing and for a caucus convener to break the rules is frightening!!!! I have worked with them to learn our language!

we do not know if they even knew what they were doing being as they took the ballots with Obama already on them and made a check on them... never wrote down their names or stayed.. they simply took the ballots and placed them in the box and were bussed home... this is totally against the caucus rules! All voters need to register!!!

no information as to what they were given for their vote!

[demonsweat]

39. Hell no

[cd3dem]

85. I won't vote for corruption either!!!!

[Benhurst]

13. Well if HOPE and CHANGE are off the table,

maybe the masses could buy into FANTASIZE and SPIN. :shrug:

Upon reflection, "spin" is probably the intellectual property of Pat Sajak.

[MethuenProgressive]

15. Maybe he'll give a good JFK, MLK, or Bill Clinton speech next.

AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!!
:popcorn:

[dkf]

25. I can't remember a single speech of Bill Clinton's

other than "I did not have sex with that woman"

[boston bean]

26. You didn't remember Deval Patricks until Obama swiped it either. nt

[dkf]

36. From Obama's '04 speech

OBAMA: Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy; our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

:) This is the stuff that I love:

It is that fundamental belief -- it is that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sisters' keeper -- that makes this country work.

It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family: "E pluribus unum," out of many, one.

Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.

Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America.

There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America.

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.

We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we've got some gay friends in the red states.

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19751-2004Jul27.html

[adabfree]

29. lmao

true

and a liar he was and still is

[MethuenProgressive]

93. Obama channels Bill Clinton:

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2008/02/17/1203307374_4955/539w

[QC]

27. Queen Elizabeth I gave a fantastic speech at Tilbury Field

while waiting for the Armada to arrive.

Maybe Obama can do a knockoff of it next!

[Beausoir]

96. LOL.

[QC]

102. I know I have the body of a weak and feeble woman...

...but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders of my realm; to which rather than any dishonour shall grow by me, I myself will take up arms....

[MethuenProgressive]

22. k&r!

:hi:

[NC_Nurse]

30. I'm disappointed that he didn't intro that portion of the speech

with "as my friend Duval Patrick said..." .

What is it with folks these days? So many people get pegged for lifting stuff from others
when a simple credit would suffice.

I'm still for Obama, but I'm perplexed by this. It happens ALL THE TIME these days.

[boston bean]

37. I applaud you for this, really. Kudos. I understand you still support him,

and I can respect that, but you also know what he should have done, and not make excuses.

Thank you!

[NC_Nurse]

38. You're welcome.

:)

If people would just admit that their candidate makes mistakes occasionally (who doesn't?). This place would
be a hell of a lot more civil.

[dkf]

50. Well, he could have also said,

as MLK said, and as JFK said, and as Jefferson said in the declaration of independence.

I mean it seems that those were the more attributable words, than the little words between the bigger quotes.

[boston bean]

52. so now attack other Obama supporters. Good one on you! nt

[dkf]

62. I did realize that. I simply didn't agree.

You think I can't read?

[NC_Nurse]

79. See post #78 if you want to see my feelings on that. nt

[UALRBSofL]

66. NC_Nurse I think I'm getting it

I know it's plagiarism when you write a paper and don't site the sources. Typically when your making a speech you'll say something on the line of "As JFK would say", or "MLK once said". Is this what your talking about?

[NC_Nurse]

78. No, it's not just the quotes from them, it's the repetition of

the "just words" and the whole argument that it presents. Everyone knows the quotes from the famous
speeches. I think he should've said that his friend had made the point before and quoted then said it.

Let me say also, that I don't think it's that big of a deal. It just would have been clear that he was aware it had been
used before. I think the plagiarism charge is thrown around a lot these days and it's better not to take any chances.
It's so easy to say "as my friend Patrick Duval pointed out before...." and then quote the whole passage.

[dkf]

105. Yeah but I've been making that argument for some time.

I mean its an obvious refutation to me...

I wish I knew how to search the archives but its really cumbersome.

[Benhurst]

117. I think that's it. One of the things I didn't like about JFK's and Bobby's

speeches was their constant "as XXX used to say." I always thought they, especially Bobby, were better when they stuck to their own material, although one could hardly fault them for the quality of those they chose to quote-- with proper credit given, no less.

We've come a long way -- and not necessarily in the right direction.

[Sulawesi]

46. I think you are the "dummy"...so there

[ProSense]

47. It's not plagiarism, it's desperation from Hillary's campaign

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

A rival campaign? LOL! Run for the hills, the speeches sound similar!

[Franks Wild Years]

58. It's ridiculous.

People are clutching at anything now, and it's clear that Clinton's people are fuelling the 'flames'. It's fairly pathetic that such a high-profile, mollycoddled and priviledged campaign has to resort to this sort of thing.

Anyone with a brain must surely find Hillary Clinton's incredible insincerity - something which is overwhelmingly evident to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of body language - much more alarming. Everything she does is dripping in it, and I'm amazed that so many people are foolish enough to be duped by her.

[RaleighNCDUer]

99. Exactly. The words are similar, coming from close friends.

It is really all that unlikely that friends who have discussed their shared ideas will express them similarly?

[berni_mccoy]

48. Facts? Where are YOUR Facts. You spew bile and have nothing left.

[boston bean]

51. ha ha ha , this is bile? it is a fact, try and refute it. nt

[berni_mccoy]

55. If you have a claim, it's your job to prove it, not mine. And you and everyone who rec's this

Are the Dummies.

[Iceburg]

53. Think of it as "Recycling ", you know -- part of his Green campaign./nt

[maddiejoan]

54. This is no small case of line stealing.

It's a pervasive campaign strategy courtesy of Axelrod.

[boston bean]

56. Good find, maddie, may I suggest you make it its own thread? thanks. nt

[ProSense]

64. No it's the NYT protecting its endorsement. To chart Patrick's mention of Obama in 2006 as evidence

is desperate!

[11 Bravo]

95. That seems to be your favorite word this morning.

Clearly you're feeling what you attempt to deflect onto others.

[berni_mccoy]

65. Mirrored Rhetoric does not equal Plagiarism

And I don't think any journalist or English professor (those that haven't drunk the Hillary-juice that is) would charge Obama with Plagiarism.

[maddiejoan]

67. You're right

it's not plagiarism.

It's repackaged goods courtesy of David Axelrod.

[berni_mccoy]

71. Thanks. I just want to be clear. The plagiarism word carries an entirely different meaning with it

I can deal with repackaged goods. Patrick is endorsing Obama and would likely say it's great for Obama to use it.

[boston bean]

76. WTF do you think this thread is about then. You have

insulted me all over the place and now you agree.

[berni_mccoy]

101. YOU used the plagiarism word, Not maddie. Maddie is clearing up the difference.

It's not plagiarism as you claim, and as you now know, there's no there there. You are proved to be a hack.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. OBAMA GOT WORDS?

[Pryderi]

59. Nanos Gigantium Humeris Insidentes...Bernardus Carnotensis descendants

should sue Isaac Newton descendants.

[AGirl]

60. K and R

[ShortnFiery]

63. What? Are you channeling that nasty guy James Carville? That dog won't hunt.

:evilgrin:

[workinclasszero]

72. Hillary supporters grasping at straws

as her campaign dies a slow death. It will end ugly as Hillary lashes out with all the dirt she and her good friend John McCain can come up with to stop Obama.

And to think some people actually thought Hillary would be a good democratic president! :rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

73. Wow, this is all that's left?

This is kinda like throwing the gun at superman after you have emptied the clip.

[Nedsdag]

82. Boy, you Hillbots are grasping at straws.

There is no there there.

If you want to talk about authenticity, then tell YOUR candidate not to take from Obama:

"Yes, She can?" Puleeze!

[indimuse]

84. just like Oprah to pimp fraud!!!

remember the book she had everyone go out and bye.

<<<snip>>
Until recently, Oprah Winfrey's biggest sin was to unleash Dr. Phil's loud mouth quackery on an already troubled nation. Dr. Phil is part of the Oprah empire, which consists of celebrity news and advice on how we ought to be "our best selves."

Oprah should be given credit for accomplishing what generations of English teachers could not. Her book club has turned thousands of nonreaders into readers. One of her recent choices was "A Million Little Pieces," a "memoir" of drug addiction written by James Frey.

As a result of the Oprah effect, Frey's book sat securely atop the bestseller lists. As often happens, success brought more scrutiny than was desired or anticipated. The Court TV web site, the Smoking Gun, investigated Frey's background and exposed him as a fraud and a liar. Frey was a suburban kid who liked to get high.((((((SOUND FAMILIAR>>>>????LOL))))) He had no exciting stories to tell, but he wanted to write a book. He decided to make his life seem more dramatic than it really was.

[boston bean]

88. you gonna get in trouble for that one!

:spank:

[indimuse]

92. why??

..

[boston bean]

97. it made me chuckle, and usually that doesn't bode well. I got it, but most won't. nt

[indimuse]

120. ...

:)...

[MadBadger]

90. He preached the same message way back in 2004 at the Convention

So dont tell me thats a stolen message from a Guy who ran for Governor in 2006.

[Mr.Fitzgibbons]

94. I agree. It seems very hollow to me, even cynical, given that he bases his message on authenticity

I understand that politicians borrow from each other, but this seems more troubling because Obama's main message is one of authenticity as contrasted to Clinton.

[Obamanaut]

100. What about this one "Ask not what your country can do..."

We all thought (and some still do) that this was an inspirational inaugural address, especially that portion of it. The message was not entirely original, even though the words were changed a bit.

...snip>Van Wyck Brooks' New England: Indian Summer (1940) contains remarks made by the Mayor of Haverhill, Massachusetts at the funeral of John Greenleaf Whittier in which is the following: "Here may we be reminded that man is most honored, not by that which a city may do for him, but by that which he has done for the city." And, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, in a Memorial Day address is 1884 stated: "It is now the moment when by common consent we pause to become conscious of our national life and to rejoice in it, to recall what our country has done for each of us, and to ask ourselves what we can do for our country in return."<more...

I googled "ask not what your country can do for you"

I think it will be all too easy to find words, exact or similar, in any of today's speeches by any candidate or other public speaker which have been used before - there aren't all that many new words being invented. Perhaps some of us are grasping at straws to find stuff to use against the candidate who isn't "our candidate."

[BlackVelvet04]

110. The old "mommy everyone does it" defense is really no defense at all. n/t

[Obamanaut]

116. It wasn't meant to be a defense, so I'll try again

I think it will be all too easy to find words, exact or similar, in any of today's speeches by any candidate or other public speaker which have been used before - there aren't all that many new words being invented. Perhaps some of us are grasping at straws to find stuff to use against the candidate who isn't "our candidate."

I pasted that portion of my earlier post because you might not have seen it. There are very few new words, anywhere. If one looks hard enough at any speech, one can probably find words or phrases that have been used previously.

Perhaps one can instead attempt to find other things to look for - what is a candidate going to propose as a fix for the 35 million people going to bed hungry in the US every night. THis was the number given on the Letterman show several days ago in a discussion with HRC. And then they spoke of the one half billion dollars being spent on this one campaign by all the candidates (combined), and how far that would go toward feeding some of them.

Or how many orphans are being created through aids, many of whom have contracted the HIV virus from the dying parents.

I suggest that instead of trying to nitpick ANY or ALL of the candidates' words for prior use that we try to find ways to fix what is wrong throughout whatever sphere of influence we might have.

Can we do this? Yes, we can. (ooh, check me out, those words have already been taken.):sarcasm:

[BigDDem]

106. but, but, but....he's Mr. Authenticity

:rofl:

[DemGa]

107. Indeed, they are being "sounded out"; and showing to be quite hollow

No surprise to me -- I can spot a charlatan a mile away.

[boston bean]

111. Some O supporters proudly say he preaches. He is no better

than the TV evangelists, imho. He gets people to believe, believe in what?

He does not have enough experience to run this country. That is the real issue here.

[Seabiscuit]

118. Good point. It now seems like a performance that Obama was acting out.

Obama may believe in these things as I think all democrats believe in (even Hillary supporters), but when your candidate is seen as a plagiarist not authentic then you start to question the messengers intentions.

[Hoof Hearted]

119. but. . . . but .. . . . . he says them so pretty.

And he said he was going to get me a pony.

[pointsoflight]

121. Um, he gave the same types of speeches in 2004, BEFORE Patrick's 2006 campaign

Patrick readily admits that he and Barack have similar messages and perspectives, and that they have been inspired by one another over the years.

You guys are making yourselves look like fools. Go dig up Obama's 2004 speeches. His speeches had very similar themes back then, BEFORE Patrick ran his campaign in 2006.

[lligrd]

122. Put Food On Your Families Was Authentic

Do people feel duped over *'s speeches? His are about the most authentic I have ever heard.

People who read and listen usually do incorporate into their own speeches, ideas and words they have taken to heart.

[surferdude1980]

123. Here is some real plagiarism by Hillary Clinton "YES WE WILL!"

Not very well executed BTW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzCOQj2lpY

[LadyVT]

124. Yes. Don't get discouraged.

Recognize the majority of the responses to your post are from one or two people.

[casus belli]

125. Who you calling dummy, dummy?

You're talking about one paragraph of an entire speech, the inclusion of which was suggested by the original author. This is non-news - and yes, I would be saying so even if Hillary were the subject of the attack.