I'm not clairvoyant, but if Clinton or her surrogates are responsible for the new plagiarism meme

[ecstatic]

she can pretty much count out black voters if she is the nominee.

It's one thing to win fairly, but to win by trying to utterly disgrace, shame, and embarrass your opponent is something entirely different. This "plagiarism" meme is disgusting and seeks not only to destroy Obama in this election cycle, but to render him forever unelectable because his strongest gift is his oratory abilities.

I always talk about supporting the nominee no matter what but everyone has a breaking point.

[ShortnFiery]

1. OMG! The assumptions within this post are "low" in so many areas

:grr: :nuke:

[tekisui]

2. ABC News is reporting on the television that the Clinton camp is spreading it.

But, they don't have that on the website.

[harun]

22. Of course they are (n/t)

[goldcanyonaz]

3. More threats? This "blacks will stay" home has been an Obama surrogate meme for months now.

[kennetha]

4. Hillary Clinton is not responsible

for Obama's plagiarism. He brought this on himself. African American's are politically mature enough to see that.

[adabfree]

5. She can count out this black voter..just based on her hubby's actions in SC

[goldcanyonaz]

7. Obama can count out this family of black voters in the GE for Obama's campaign against the Clinton's

[adabfree]

9. Good for you...and your family...my entire clan is OBAMA..

[demonsweat]

10. translation: waaaaaah!!!

You'd vote for Obama if he came out as a Nazi and you know it. Don't act as if Bill forced your hand.

[adabfree]

12. Bill is bill..my vote is my vote..Obama a Nazi...hmmm..okay

[backscatter712]

26. Thanks for Godwining the thread.

Pretty much shows to what depths you'll stoop to shit on Obama.

[Medusa]

6. It's pretty pathetic that this is all they have

the other guy is a friend of his, both have stated they "trade lines" all the time and are frequent emailers to one another. It's a logical explanation and a viable one but the Clintonistas are utterly desperate at this point. This all tells me one thing---he's got a very clean background or they would have hauled a bimbo out of the closet or some other horribly lurid detail about him and they haven't because they can't. They got nothing.

[Creideiki]

30. Then attribute

He didn't claim to have come up with, "We hold these truths to be self-evident," but he did claim to come up with the response, "Just words." That's not "public domain" enough that it doesn't require attribution. Were I teaching (and because of NCLB and the power-shift--we can talk about that some time--I quit teaching and no longer will attempt it in the current school system), I'd be going to the mat for plagiarism and academic dishonesty (and part of the reason I left--get told by administration to allow the students to pass).

With attribution, it's fine. Then I could argue that it's not the words that make the movement, it's the implied action behind the words that make the movement. TJ was ready to give his life and property. FDR was ready to accept the possible loss of political career. MLK, Jr. was facing mob action and risking life and limb. Barack isn't--or doesn't appear to. And a president of the Harvard Law Review really should know about attribution.

Without attribution, it's really plagiarism.

[BigDDem]

8. His only claim to fame is that he's a good speaker

and it's someone else's words....
Yep, gotta be Hillary's fault.

:rofl:

[chimpymustgo]

11. Are some beginning to see the emperor's new clothes?

[Tennessee Gal]

13. This is pathetic. Obama alone is responsible for using the words of another.

I watched the videos.

It is plagarism.

[ProSense]

14. The NYT says "rival campaign"

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

A rival campaign? LOL! Run for the hills, the speeches sound similar!

[ecstatic]

19. Hmm... that settles it then! I'm sure it wasn't McCain

as his campaign manager says he doesn't want to attack Obama.

[TexasObserver]

15. Of course the Clinton camp is behind it. MSM doesn't investigate. It repeats what it's fed.

Opposition research finds these things and each campaign has a team of opposition researchers who do nothing but look for things to exploit as issues, then feed them to friendly journalists or TV newsreaders, whom I refuse to call journalists.

[BigDDem]

18. Investigate what?

The BO flock has been "bamboozled" by their messiah.

[TexasObserver]

25. Nonsense. Nothing gets covered that isn't spoon fed to the media.

Your first election, I take it.

[BigDDem]

27. You missed the point....

what is there to investigate??

I realize that he can do no wrong to the KoolAid drinkers but maybe the
general public will finally start to see that he's an empty suit.

[TexasObserver]

29. It isn't the public that lacks perception.

It's you.

[BigDDem]

35. My, my the flock is even more delicate today than usual

I'll try to find some nice Deval Patrick words to make you feel better.

:rofl: :rofl:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. Obama also ripped off Hillary's Economic Policy and was BUSTED doing so....

he has NEVER spoken an original word...all his words are JFK< MLK and Ted Sorensen's


OBAMA GOT WORDS?



White House hopeful Barack Obama's economic platform set off a three-way fight Wednesday as aides to Republican John McCain and Democrat Hillary Clinton accused Obama of stealing Clinton's ideas.

Obama fired back that McCain lacks economic know-how.

"Obama's plan today is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen," McCain economic advisor Kevin Hassett said. The Clinton campaign helpfully e-mailed his comments to reporters.

"He basically took Clinton's words and Clinton's policies and called them his own," Hassett said. "If I were a professor I'd give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school for something this terrible ... I remember Mrs. Clinton saying shared prosperity and I remember the bill that she introduced in August for infrastructure. The fact is these are things Obama has taken as his own without crediting the source of the ideas which was Mrs. Clinton."

Clinton herself said, "A plan that fails to provide universal health care, fails to address the housing crisis, and fails to immediately start creating good paying jobs in America again will not turn the economy around and provide the real relief that our people need. We need real results not more rhetoric."

The New York senator's campaign said she proposed a national infrastructure bank in August and that Obama's energy plan is a rehash of hers. The Obama campaign responded that his bank proposal is better than hers and that he introduced his energy plan before hers.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/794128,CST-NWS-campweb14.article

[ProSense]

17. Is that why Krugman has been attacking it? Hillary ripped off Edwards' healthcare plan

Video: Elizabeth Edward on Hillary's plan

[ProSense]

33. New Clinton economic message has echoes of Edwards

New Clinton economic message has echoes of Edwards

By Caren Bohan Sun Feb 17, 2:05 PM ET

MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (Reuters) - White House hopeful Hillary Clinton has a message for hairdressers in Wisconsin, postal workers in Ohio and autoworkers across the United States who are struggling financially: She cares.

The former first lady and New York senator is hoping blue collar workers will provide her with a crucial base of support as she tries to erode the lead her rival Barack Obama has opened in the tight race to become the Democratic nominee in the November presidential election.

Clinton is courting working-class voters with a new message of economic populism similar to the theme of John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who dropped out of the Democratic race in January.

Edwards never gained enough momentum to be competitive with Obama and Clinton, but the New York and Illinois senators are trying to woo his followers, many of whom were passionate about his pledge to take on "corporate greed" and bring change to a government he said had sold out the middle class.

more

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. "but the New York and Illinois senators are trying to woo his followers, " ...nice try tho

[Tatiana]

20. Well, you knew she was going negative. So this sort of thing is to be expected.

I have to admit, I'm still left thinking "is this all you've got?"

When Clinton has tried to go against Obama on the issues like health care (mandates) and mortgage rate freezes, he's parried effectively and she hasn't been able to crack him.

When the Clinton campaign didn't make significant headway with the surrogates attacking other women with faux feminist reasons for voting Clinton, I figured it was coming.

When shouting "slum lord" in a debate, didn't carry much traction in the primaries that took place afterward, I braced myself.

But this latest attack (and they've become quite predictable) is breathtaking in its desperation.

[joeybee12]

21. Yup, pointing out BO's speeches aren't original just smacks of racism!

:wtf:

[ecstatic]

24. I didn't say it was racism, but it's a dirty tactic that will

turn off many voters, particularly black voters who are excited about Obama's campaign.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. Is there any criticism of Obama

that isn't a dirty tactic?

Is there any criticism of Clinton that isn't perfectly valid and justified?

[BigDDem]

32. dirty tactic?

The BO flock keeps making my point over and over and over.
These guys are not ready for prime time. If you think this is a
"dirty tactic", you ain't seen nothing yet.
I know you guys had to whine and pout and hide under the bed over
"fairytale."
It's clear - criticism of BO is not tolerable.
Now go run and hide behind Mommy's skirt.

[NashVegas]

34. They Need to Grow Up

Obama has been engaging in dirty tactics all along. If he and his supporters can't stand being called on his shit, they should just pack it up and go home, anyway. You might be able to scare off the doves in the Democratic Party, but the Repukes are gonna laugh in your faces when you try this crap.

Obama said he wanted to be the Democratic answer to Ronald Reagan, but when you go around attacking those who put forward legitimate criticisms, he starts looking more and more like George W. Bush.

[NashVegas]

23. Oh, I Get It Now! No Criticism of Obama Will Be Allowed!

Legitimate or otherwise.

Hello, Bushbots!

[Sulawesi]

28. I read the NYT article and there is no substance here. The old throwing mud in

hopes that something sticks. The article says clearly that the two of them discussed these very lines, and Patrick advised Obama to respond in this way and not attribute him.

It might stick a little and it might not, but it hammers home to me that the HRC supporters playing this up are being disingenuous. That is, if the situation were reversed, they would appropriately defend HRC with the facts.

Plagiarism, ah that worked once, remember Biden? Keep trying, maybe rumors of sexual dalliances and a love child would stick...just some ideas for you...

[totodeinhere]

37. The personal attacks from the Clinton camp have got to stop.

Calling Obama a cult leader, calling him a sexist, calling him a plagiarist, calling him an empty suit with no solutions, trotting out the race card against him, whispering about his self admitted drug use when he was a youth, calling him "Barack Hussein Obama" in an attempt to make people think he is a Muslim (not that there is anything wrong with being a Muslim but Barack is a Christian,) falsely accusing him of attending a Wahhabist school, alleging that he refuses to cite the Pledge of Allegiance, and on and on and on. This crap has got to stop.

There are legitimate issues to discuss, but this dirty crap that is bing hurled at Obama has got to stop.

[my3boyz]

38. I hope the personal attacks backfire...The heart of Obama's

appeal is that the old politics needs to end. Hillary is a prime example of it as she goes negative. I hope the voters realize that FEAR is behind all of the attacks. She knows she is losing and has to destroy Obama to do it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. and Obama chanels dead guys..."raygun and the GOP the party of ideas"

OBAMA GOT WORDS?

[chimpymustgo]

40. Except he's playing politics dirtier than anybody. Is this Bushworld? Up is down.

I say this as a non-supporter of either of the remaining candidates.

[ShortnFiery]

41. Holy shit! What universe do you live in? Look at these shameless smear Obama threads?!?

:crazy: