NYT: Superdelegates breaking to Obama. Hillary leads by only 47 now. She lead by 105 last month.

[jefferson_dem]

Superdelegate Poll: Unsettled Ground
By Megan Thee

Despite Senator Barack Obama’s strong showing in recent primaries, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton continues to hold onto more support from superdelegates, the Democratic Party elites, according to a survey by The New York Times and CBS News.

The current count is 189.5 superdelegate votes for Mrs. Clinton and 142.5 for Mr. Obama. But in a similar survey conducted last month, Mrs. Clinton led Mr. Obama by 204 to 99. About 8 percent of the total 795 superdelegates changed their minds over the last few weeks, as many states held their primaries and caucuses. Few delegates switched allegiance from one candidate to the other; the main changes were among the undecided delegates. Among the previously undecided delegates who now are endorsing a candidate, Mr. Obama got more of their support. Some of Mrs. Clinton’s previous supporters are now undecided.

Efforts were made to contact all of the superdelegates identified by the Democratic National Committee. The telephone survey was conducted Feb. 11-15. Superdelegates from the Democrats abroad delegation get half a vote each, and those from Florida and Michigan were not included in the totals.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/superdelegate-poll-unsettled-ground/

[scheming daemons]

1. The avalanche has started......

....and it will continue.

The Democratic party WANTS to coalesce around a single candidate... and most of the superdelegates are beginning to realize they can't stomach four more years of the 50%+1 philosophy that the Clintons bring.

[Tatiana]

2. As the Clinton campaign continues with the politics of personal destruction

I anticipate many additional superdelegates with cast votes for Obama.

[ruggerson]

3. You shouldn't write your own headline and put it after "NYT"

It's kind of misleading.

[indimuse]

6. fraud...it's what Obama fans like!

...;)

[jefferson_dem]

10. How is it fraud? Please elaborate...if you can.

Thanks in advance.

[Recursion]

31. I think the GP is applying the LBN rules to GDP

In the LBN forum, you are forbidden from changing the original headline.

[jefferson_dem]

33. The "GP" is being a fool.

Is all.

[Adelante]

17. A cult of un-handshaking, plagiaristic fraudsters - that's us!

Feed it to the media. Okay, that's been done except for the fraud part. Get to work, slacker.

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. deval patrick disagrees.....

courtesy of Jake Tapper ABC News:

UPDATE: The Obama campaign has issued a statement from Gov. Patrick: “Sen. Obama and I are long-time friends and allies. We often share ideas about politics, policy and language. The argument in question, on the value of words in the public square, is one about which he and I have spoken frequently before. Given the recent attacks from Sen. Clinton, I applaud him responding in just the way he did.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obama-echoes-de.html


I don't think this can be called "plagirism", but nice try. Patrick is a friend, supporter, and a political kindred spirit of Obama's. Had he ripped off Clinton, I could see your point, but it's clear to me that this was done with Patrick's blessing.

:edited for typo

[indimuse]

23. lol..

paaaleeezzze..REZKO: Obama and I are long time friends...we share everything...including..

just because you refuse to hold BHO accountable,does NOT mean when the MSM "decides" to go after BHO they will let ANYTHING go..his day is just around the corner..hold on to your panties!

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. i know you're hoping the M$M will make a big deal of this...

just like you were hoping they'd make a big deal of Rezko. Ain't gonna happen. Have you seen the rapid response from the Obama camp showing Hill's plagirism of Obama? LOL

You guys don't realize it, but you've opened yet another hornet's nest. This gives Clinton's opposition a chance to pore over every speech she and Bill have ever given, and you'll probably be astonished at what we'll find out. Everytime you guys come up with something new, you wind up suffering for it. Ironic, ain't it? :rofl:

Oh, and did you hear she's down another point in the latest Rass poll? Keep it up, we appreciate it.:rofl:

[indimuse]

35. your right!!

ain't gonna happen til Barack Hussein Obama is the NOM! LOL!! hahaah!! I suppose that is a laughing matter to you!?

[jefferson_dem]

8. Baloney. It's not a headline. It's a subject line.

There is no requirement in GD-P that they match exactly, as there is in LBN. My point was to let folks know it was a NYT survey of supers.

It's funny to me that you single this thread out and belly-ache about integrity when this practice is commonplace in this forum.

If you think the subject line is misleading...please, let's here how.

From the story --- "The current count is 189.5 superdelegate votes for Mrs. Clinton and 142.5 for Mr. Obama. But in a similar survey conducted last month, Mrs. Clinton led Mr. Obama by 204 to 99."

[Occam Bandage]

28. Not really. It's not in quotes. The information is factually correct, and is from the NYT.

[Sulawesi]

4. Can I plagiarize this thread, I want to spread the good news!!!

[TexasObserver]

5. The superdelegates will come around, except the hardcore loyalists.

All the ones who jumped on the bandwagon will now jump off.

[grantcart]

39. added one more

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4690456
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/02/kathy-castor-en.html

[CoffeeCat]

7. I told the Obama supporters not to worry...

The Supers will go the way of "We The People". The vast majority have no
desire to thwart the will of the people, and they won't.

There are die-hard loyalists in both the Obama/Clinton Super Delegate
camps.

However, the majority are not there to usurp the citizens of this country, and
they will go with the candidate who has the highest pledged delegate count.

No worries people.

[catgirl]

9. They're growing more disgusted with Hillary's tactics

and she was screaming 'Yes we will! Yes we will! Yes we will! at a rally
in Ohio. The audience looked confused.

She copies others all the time.

[mapatriot]

11. We can't afford......

a back room, brokered convention. How our "super-delegates" vote will be very transparent. They MUST support whichever candidate wins their state. It's a fundamental component of what differentiates us from the republicans.

And how can ANYBODY argue for the inclusion of the Michigan and Florida delegates in the convention voting?? Of course those delegates should be seated and an important part of our convention. But having their VOTES bound to a primary in which all the candidates agreed not to participate (and then one did an 11th hour reversal and won), makes a mockery of our primary process and party structure. This will be a real test of our party leadership.

[Yurem2008]

14. Obama is plagiarizing superdelegates!!!!

LOL!! Hillary is definitely in desperation mode. Little by little she is losing superdelegates. When she loses in Ohio it will be Al Gore's pleasure to show her the door. Barack will fight to a tie in Texas but she will lose Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania in spite ofr fast Eddie's support. By the way, in about a month Fast Eddie will be looking to throw Hillary overboard to save his own skin...

[Window]

21. LOL!

Peace:thumbsup:

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. Wow. This is going to be a photo finish.

[tekisui]

36. I don't expect that. Obama has broken away, and will continue to add to his lead.

[KittyWampus]

37. hopefully

[LulaMay]

13. What BS....so now you want the super delegates to decide? It's all up until the end folks anyway.

[my3boyz]

26. Even though I DO NOT want them to chose the nominee

I'm glad they are switching over to reflect where the voters are right now. I did not like how Clinton padded herself with super delegates to make herself seem inevitable. I'm glad some of them are not scared to change their mind as the state of this race has changed. I would prefer one one them would start breaking away (preferably Obama) so that they could be the clear winner. I don't want the party split because the super delegates trumped the will of the people. I don't want Obama to win that way and I don't want Clinton to win that way.

[anigbrowl]

41. They won't decide it. They'll confirm the decision of the voters /nt

[powergirl]

15. Superdelegates should vote the same way as their precinct

regardless of who the candidate is. I do support Obama. But I believe in following the rules. So, if there are superdelegates that are pledged to Obama and their district went for Clinton, that superdelegate should vote for Clinton. Likewise, if a superdelegate is pledged to Clinton and their district voted for Obama, that superdelegate should vote for Obama. I think most of the superdelegates will do this anyway. They don't want to contribute to the destruction of the Democratic party.

[Scurrilous]

16. K & R

:thumbsup:

[sniffa]

18. Unlike the Titatanic

There's a large S.S. Obama for them to escape to.

[NJSecularist]

20. All aboard the S.S.S Hillary.

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[GalleryGod]

22. Thanks, J.D. !

[usregimechange]

24. Wonderful news, eventhough supers suck

[jefferson_dem]

25. Now this from a Hillary surrogate - "Superdelegates are not second-class delegates..."

February 18, 2008
Read More: Delegates

"Second-class delegates"

A co-chairman of Hillary's Michigan campaign and has a line that's sure to drive a whole bunch of red state governor's up the wall:

"Superdelegates are not second-class delegates," says Joel Ferguson, who will be a superdelegate if Michigan is seated. "The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vo, te Democratic."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Secondclass_delegates.html

[Yurem2008]

30. violins in the SSS Hillary Titanic

and no life boats for Billary

[publicatlarge]

29. The trends and momentum of this election cycle are strikingly similar to Bush 2000

I feel a similar uneasiness with this one.

What's really going on?

[cloudythescribbler]

32. If this trend keeps going, there'll be NO way for Hillary to catch up to Obama

Obama, even if he loses Ohio AND Texas AND Pennsylvania (which is NOT a prediction here) will almost assuredly maintain his lead among pledged delegates (N Carolina, Wyoming, etc). So hopefully the worries about a stalemate won't come about.

[KittyWampus]

34. this is why the stupid plagarism crap.

[CorpGovActivist]

38. .

[Emit]

40. How can you have .5 of a superdelegate?

:shrug: