Plagerism story= Gore invented the internet story

[NJmaverick]

Both Rovian creations designed to mislead and misinform. You could also add the false outrage that Cheney's daughter was mentioned in the debates. The false outrage over Kerry's botched joke. This is just another Rovian inflation of a non-story.

[BigDDem]

1. Nice try!

As Deval would say: Yes we can!

[NJmaverick]

7. I guess it's ok to behave like Radical Republicans

As long as it's done in the name of Clinton

[BigDDem]

15. As Ive said over and over

you guy's aren't ready for the big time.
If you think this is rough, you're in for a rude awakening.

[NJmaverick]

20. Sick twisted nation destroying politics isn't the big time

It's just WRONG! That's why I support Obama!

[BigDDem]

27. Pointing out that he is using someone else's words is

"nation destroying politics?"

Once again, you've made my point.

[NJmaverick]

33. Misleading the public is!

Karl Rove perfected the Clinton's tactics and now Hillary and her supporters are borrowing them.

[BigDDem]

35. If BO gets the nomination, you might want to go into hiding

you wont be able to take it.

[NJmaverick]

37. I am going to defend him against people like you

That lust for power and put personal agendas ahead of our nation. Doesn't matter if it's a Neo Con or a Hillary Hack, I will not allow you or them to destroy this Country.

[BigDDem]

39. "I will not allow you or them to destroy this Country"

Damn! You've foiled my plan to destroy this country!

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

46. Not yet, but I will

I doubt you will get your way.

[BigDDem]

49. "I will not allow you or them to destroy this Country"

I was sooooooo close and I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!

[Alhena]

2. And you're making it worse by starting a new thread on it

[NJmaverick]

4. With the flood of threads from Hillary's people

Do you honestly think one more is going to make a difference one way or the other? It shames me to see Democrats behaving exactly like Republicans, it really does. I thought Dems had more honor than to stoop to those levels.

[ShortnFiery]

8. I honestly believe that The Clintons don't care about the health of our Democratic Party.

It's all about consolidating power in the realization of a 3rd DLC staffed Clintonian Executive branch. I believe that they would do ANYTHING to recapture that power. :scared: :thumbsdown:

[NJmaverick]

12. Did Rove or Bush care about the health of the party?

If they did, they certainly didn't show it. The Clintons are exactly the same way. It's all about them and power.

[ShortnFiery]

3. Whoa! Just when you think they've hit BOTTOM, out peeks another filthy rock layer.

:(

[NJmaverick]

5. Hillary and company hit rock bottome and started digging

[BigDDem]

10. You're stealing from SnF!

Except she can spell bottom.

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

19. Not nice. We all forget to use "spell check" at times.

;)

[NJmaverick]

21. Hillary Hounds will use ANYTHING to attack others and sieze power

It's rule number 1 in the Karl Rove handbook

[BigDDem]

29. Hey SnF - where's your sense of humor??!!

Did the UFO take it away?
}(

[ShortnFiery]

43. Oh sorry. Grammar and/or spelling jokes aren't funny for me personally.

If my best friend in graduate school (earned her Bachelors in English from Penn State) had not thoughtfully edited my research and thesis efforts, I would have never achieved that coveted masters degree. However, in my partial defense, I helped her with Experimental Design and Statistical Lab courses. :blush:

Sorry. Since I've always SUCKED at English Grammar, I'm sort of overly-forgiving of spelling/grammatical errors. I feel like censoring someone on this is equivalent to playing the dreaded "teacher's pet." ;)

[ShortnFiery]

14. Yes, but Nomad (why am I thinking of an classic Star Trek episode) let's not fuel the flames?

But forgive me, my sense of humor is a little twisted and I didn't realize that you were "spoofing the Clintons" ... as I believe that they are capable of anything. I'm sorry.

Yes, I respect your input, Nomad. Say "Hi" to James T. Kirk for me please? :silly: :blush:

[golddigger]

30. Well I'll be damn. Is that you Dan potatoe Quayle?

:hi:

[melody]

6. Precisely -- that is exactly what this is, but some people don't care what they have to do to win

I'm sad to say the once-immense respect I had for Hillary Clinton is now profoundly reduced. Her people
clearly focused on one effective speech and are trying to keep him from using it. What a vicious, petty
attack. And you know her team was behind it.

[NJmaverick]

11. It's the classic Swift Boating tactic

Karl Rove didn't invent his nasty form of politics. He perfected what he learned from the Clintons. Now the Clintons are copying Rove's success.

[BigDDem]

41. Better call John Kerry

he can help fight the swift boating!

[rocktivity]

9. It's not plagiarism unless the VICTIMS say they've been plagiarized.

Are Axelrod and Patrick complaining that they've been plagiarized? No, everyone else is.

More important, was it ethical of the New York Times to run http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203345390-c+fcP0EhTH18Mj1EHYbfaw">this story without identifying its source? Why should Obama be expected to take accountability for the speeches when his accusers don't want to be held accountable for identifying themselves?

:headbang:
rocknation

[NJmaverick]

16. Facts and the truth don't matter to the Clintons

Never had and never will

[Ravy]

22. Sorry, rock, I have to disagree.

When a student lifts something from a book and gets caught, they get punished. No one waits for the book author to discover and complain that some student stole his/her lines.

It is fair to argue whether you think Obama plagiarized, but please don't add an element to plagiarism that is not there.

[NJmaverick]

26. By this twisted logic every politician plagiarizes

After all they all have speech writers.

[Ravy]

31. Like I said, you can argue if it is plagerism or not.

I just don't want the term redefined. I am an ex-college professor, so I have seen it time and time again.

[NJmaverick]

38. You can't call it plagerism- Politicians have speech writers

Then again clinton and their followers were never big on the truth or facts

[Ravy]

40. I didn't call it plagiarism.

I am not a Clinton "follower", but it appears that you are not big on reading comprehension.

[NJmaverick]

45. When a politician reads a speech written by others

it's not plagiarism. accept in the bizzarro world of bush, rove and the Clintons

[rocktivity]

48. But how do you KNOW Obama lifted it

without the "victims'" knowledge or consent? They're not claiming anything of the kind. More to the point, both the Clinton and Hillary campaigns can be accused of doing the same thing to Obama!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Ravy]

51. Knowledge and consent are not part of the equation.

There are many websites that offer college students "term papers" for sale. They agree to just let you print them out and turn them in as your own work.

Professors frown on that. While you can find some limited definitions of plagiarism that give a "consent" exception, many do not.

[Tennessee Gal]

13. Obama plagarizes. Blame it on Clinton.

How disgusting.

We see you for what you are.

[NJmaverick]

18. You are a LIAR!

SHAME ON YOU!

[ShortnFiery]

23. Don't sweat it. Ask Joe Biden about trumped-up "plagiarism" and "witch hunts?"

[Tennessee Gal]

28. I read your posts.

You are the liar.

[NJmaverick]

32. If you say so Karl

[Tennessee Gal]

34. Yep, I read your posts.

If don't want to take responsibility for them, I would say you are the one who should be called "Karl."

[NJmaverick]

36. You LIE! It's that simple

I can't believe a word you say, because you have been caught in a mega lie. Worse you didn't it for the basest of reason, a raw lust for power.

[Tennessee Gal]

47. LOL! Your own words prove you wrong.

[surfermaw]

17. So was the Edwards house and hair cout , but it was used agains Edwards by other dem.

[Thrill]

24. Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous. Patrick already said

They work together on this stuff. THat killed it

[goodhue]

25. no, it is nowhere near the internet story in import

it has no legs

[flordehinojos]

42. some history on al gore who actually said, "I took the initiative for leadership in creating the

internet."

rather than, the often misstated and misquoted, "I invented the internet"

the following four ¶ from a Vanity Fair Story (link provided) might help you see the reality of Al Gore and the lies that were hurled against him by the same press who is now using its power to keep the clintons down.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/gore200710?printable=true¤tPage=all

Caught in the Web
The Love Story distortion set the stage for the "I Invented the Internet" distortion, a devastating piece of propaganda that damaged Gore at the starting gate of his run. On March 9, 1999, CNN's Wolf Blitzer conducted an interview with Gore shortly before he officially announced his candidacy. In answer to a question about why Democrats should support him, Gore spoke about his record. "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative"—politico-speak for leadership—"in creating the Internet," he said, before going on to describe other accomplishments. It was true. In the 1970s, the Internet was a limited tool used by the Pentagon and universities for research. As a senator in the 80s, Gore sponsored two bills that turned this government program into an "information superhighway," a term Gore popularized, and made it accessible to all. Vinton Cerf, often called the father of the Internet, has claimed that the Internet would not be where it was without Gore's leadership on the issue. Even former Republican House speaker Newt Gingrich has said that "Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet."
The press didn't object to Gore's statement until Texas Republican congressman Dick Armey led the charge, saying, "If the vice president created the Internet, then I created the interstate highway system." Republican congressman James Sensenbrenner released a statement with the headline, DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR: VICE PRESIDENT GORE TAKES CREDIT FOR CREATING THE INTERNET. CNN's Lou Dobbs was soon calling Gore's remark "a case study … in delusions of grandeur." A few days later the word "invented" entered the narrative. On March 15, a USA Today headline about Gore read, INVENTING THE INTERNET; March 16 on Hardball, Chris Matthews derided Gore for his claim that he "invented the Internet." Soon the distorted assertion was in the pages of the Los Angeles Times and The Boston Globe, and on the A.P. wire service. By early June, the word "invented" was actually being put in quotation marks, as though that were Gore's word of choice. Here's how Mimi Hall put it in USA Today: "A couple of Gore gaffes, including his assertion that he 'invented' the Internet, didn't help." And Newsday's Elaine Povich ridiculed "Gore's widely mocked assertion that he 'invented' the Internet." (Thanks to the Web site the Daily Howler, the creation of Bob Somerby, a college roommate of Gore's, we have a chronicle of how the Internet story spiraled out of control.)
Belatedly attempting to defuse the situation, Gore joked about it on Imus in the Morning, saying that he "was up late the night before … inventing the camcorder." But it was too late—the damage had been done.

[ShortnFiery]

44. Oh brother, are we stuck in a weird "Groundhog's day" time warp - or - can we please ...

turn the page? :crazy:

[Uncle Joe]

50. I believe the corporate media as an institution spiraled that slander, libel and mis perception

completely out of control precisely because Al Gore did take the political leadership initiative while in Congress and to some degree as Vice-President in opening up the Internet for the people, as the Internet grew in power and influence, this threatened the corporate media's monopoly on information. Information = power, money and influence as the cost of running for President is one small example of. Information is the equivalent of fire in the Information Age and so they gave him the Prometheus Treatment. They didn't want the primary political champion of the Internet in the White House, but instead of taking bites from his liver for all eternity, they went to town on his credibility while giving Bush a free pass to the White House.