CNN: Some of Obama's stump speech adapted material

[ruggerson]

I guess this plagiarism story is starting to take off in the MSM.

Who'd a thunk it?

Obama's been doing the okie-dokie.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/18/some-of-obamas-stump-speech-adapted-material/

(CNN) – A central passage in the stump speech Barack Obama has been giving in recent days — aimed at convincing voters that his campaign is not just about lofty rhetoric — is adapted from Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, Obama's campaign acknowledged over the weekend.

Striking similarities between Obama's words and those of Patrick during his 2006 election campaign have raised eyebrows and attracted traffic on YouTube.

Responding to attacks from Sen. Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic nomination, that he offers words while she offers action, Obama has been arguing that words matter. Speaking Saturday night at a gala for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, he said to frequent applause, "Don't tell me words don't matter! 'I have a dream.' Just words. 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.' Just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Just words, just speeches!"

In 2006, Patrick, fending off attacks from his rival Kerry Healey, told a crowd to frequent applause, "Her dismissive point, and I hear it a lot from her staff, is all I have to offer is words. Just words. 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' — just words. Just words. 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' — just words. 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country' — just words. 'I have a dream' — just words."

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[bicentennial_baby]

2. From the NYT story:

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

[Yurem2008]

4. Hillary is desperate

the MSM will forget about this non-story when Hillary loses WI tomorrow. They will continue with "Barack continues his winning ways" or "Hillary in free-fall". Sorry Clintonistas but the end is near for the detested Team Clinton. We have a winner with Obama and we will cream McPain in the GE

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. stop it, you'll make Hillary cry!

we dont want her getting more sympathy votes!

[SoxFan]

33. Hey, it's Primary Eve

I'm sure she will turn on the faucets before the day is over. Maybe she will get misty eyed reminiscing about Reggie White.

[suziedemocrat]

37. When exactly did Hillary cry? I saw her eyes get a little wet, I never saw her cry.

And what exactly is wrong with showing a little emotion anyway? Before people criticized her for being stoic and "mannish." But, when she shows a little human emotion, she's a crybaby. Pure sexism - plain and simple. It makes my blood boil. I was never a Hillary supporter, but I'm getting closer.

Show Some Emotion Lyrics
by Joan Armatrading

Show some emotion
Put expression in your eyes
Light up
If you're feeling happy
But if it's bad
Then let those tears roll down

Some people hurting
Someone choking up inside
Some poor souls dying
Too proud to say
They got no place to lie
And there's people
If they hear a joke
Can't keep the laugh
Out of their eye

I said
Show some emotion
Put expression in your eyes
Light up
If you're feeling happy
But if it's bad
Then let those tears roll down

Some people in love
But all they got's a photograph
How can they get it
Too scared
To open their mouth
To ask

I said
Show some emotion
Put expression in your eyes
Light up
If you're feeling happy
But if it's bad
Then let those tears roll down

Come on try
Learn to bleed
When you get a bad fall
Light up
Light up
Light up
If it's nice
But if it's bad
Then let those tears roll down

[durrrty libby]

43. Your Hopium addiction sure has nasty side effects

[Hoof Hearted]

70. LMAO "Hopium"!

That's probably the find of the day right there.

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

72. loL!!

[creeksneakers2]

97. What does this have to do with Hillary?

Isn't the story coming from CNN?

[surfermaw]

6. Never the less, we know he isn't using his own words, in fact many were Edwards/

[unblock]

12. there we have it. patrick doesn't even want credit.

[high density]

14. Yeah this sounds like really bad shit

:rofl:

Come on Clinton folks, you're telling us that Obama has all of these skeletons in his closet, and this is the best you can do?

[Mr.Fitzgibbons]

90. The problem is, it makes him look less authentic.

Like it or not, this is the case. He has banked everything on a perception of honesty and authenticity, and now that it is being said he draws key ideas from other politicians' speeches, well, it doesn't fit his message.

[displacedtexan]

19. "Who knows who I am?" Isn't Patrick the governor of Massachusetts?

Why, yes, he is.

[MethuenProgressive]

32. He was elected, then disappeared into the corner office, not to be heard from since

A foreshadowing of an Obama election. Flowery empty speeches, followed by stunning incompetence.

[displacedtexan]

65. Really? I had no idea!

Got any info on his incompetence? I don't know anything about him.

[Nedsdag]

3. Five words:

Is that all you've got?

:eyes: :boring:

[Yurem2008]

9. LMAO

Love this photo. "Me worry?"

[flyarm]

10. is that all you can post..seems to me i saw you post the same crap in another thread..

is that your job with team obama..just keep telling people it doesn't matter that Obama plagiarizes?

i thought so..

fly

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. It's A Real Story. In The News. You're Embarrassed By It, So You Want To Dismiss It.

I can understand why it bothers you to the point of wanting to dismiss it completely as if it didn't happen, but it did happen and is an embarrassment to his campaign. It's ok to have the integrity to stand up and say that, and say that he shouldn't have done that but it isn't the end of the world. I mean, this is unlikely to hurt him all that much, but it doesn't mean it isn't something that is of interest or something that isn't a bit embarrassing for his campaign. It just simply is. Deal with it. He's not the perfect messiah after all.

[Cameron27]

Of course it's an embarrassment,

Patrick would never have spoken out if the Obama camp wasn't worried about it. If this was about anybody else...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. I Just Can't Stand The Hypocrisy. Can You Even Begin To Imagine The Outrage If This Was A Hillary

story?

So many losing their honor and integrity these days, by throwing critical thinking completely out the window and taking positions of ignorance and hypocrisy as often as necessary to protect their candidate, regardless of shame, deceit or inaccuracy. Really sad to see how hypocritical and weak some are choosing to be here. Shows a lot about their empty character.

This was definitely an embarrassment for him. It's not the end of the world. It shouldn't be hard for his supporters to stand up and say "yeah, that probably wasn't the best move, but everyone makes mistakes during the course of a campaign. Let's stay on message!". To dismiss it away completely though is just disingenuous and hypocritical, since if God forbid Hillary did such a thing the Obama supporters here would want her sent straight to the guillotine. Hypocrites.

[Straight Shooter]

39. Reminds me of another thin-skinned politician who can't admit he's made a mistake. n/t

[Hoof Hearted]

75. Would that be someone who walked into the oval office needing OTJ training?

And smart advisers to tell him what to think because he really didn't have much experience or expertise?

[krkaufman]

98. No, I think they're referring to the NY Senator who authorized the invasion of Iraq...

... without bothering to read the NIE revealing the lies behind the case for invading.

[rodeodance]

5. YES--the shit has hit the fan--as they say

[iconoclastic cat]

11. You know who care about this outside of hyperpartisan blog junkies?

In an informal survey taken in my workplace: Nobody.

[grrr050]

23. Barrowed speech

If the speech your candidate is using to inspire the gullible, massive youngins was barrowed from somewhere else then I think they have the right to know. They had been taken for a ride.

[iconoclastic cat]

26. Oh, man. You need to pull your self-important head out of your butt.

Sleep now.

[rodeodance]

7. K and R

[mtnsnake]

8. K&R

[UALRBSofL]

15. When it comes to writing speeches

My partner is really good at it. It makes people tear up. When he writes them he gives credit on a quote. However, I don't know if that is a rule or just common courtesy. I'll have to ask him when he gets home. :)

[DemGa]

13. Holy Crap!! Kicked & Rec'd!

[Cameron27]

16. He proved Hillary's point rather well,

words are cheap, especially when you borrow them.

K&R

[libbygurl]

17. K & R. nt

[golddigger]

18. A big K and R...n/t

:smoke:

[Scurrilous]

20. I love the smell of desperation...

...the day before a major primary.

Gobama! :thumbsup:

[Yurem2008]

22. Bill melting down and Hillary desperate

you're right, they are behaving like the Hallmark cows, on the ground and unable to get up

[IndianaGreen]

69. Wait for Hillary to shed tears today, right on cue!

They are shameless snake oil salesmen, the Clintons are.

[rwenos]

24. The Gettysburg Addess Quotes from Pericles

This guy Pericles, he, he made a SPEECH at a funeral . . . in 356 BC . . . and Abraham Lincoln LIFTED from it to write a speech about the fallen soldiers at Gettysburg!

Exumation! Impeachment!

[BayouBengal07]

25. Wait a minute

"Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit."

So Patrick knowingly gave Obama those lines, collaborated with him, allowed him to use them, and didn't ask to be cited? So where's the controversy? Plagiarism is the taking of text without citation, but if there is no need for citation, then what's the problem?

[bicentennial_baby]

27. Bingo!

Shhhhh, facts confuse them. :P

[alcuno]

Exactly. This isn't plagiarism.

Plagiarism is stealing somebody else's work. It's not stealing if they give it to you.

[dchill]

64. So they want to start a plagiarism fight?

Goose, meet gander. Here's Elizabeth Edwards on Hillary Clinton's Health Plan:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/09/20/elizabeth.edwards.blasts.clinton.cnn

And a news release about HRC's Economic message:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080217/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_dc_1

I'm sure they didn't steal anything - just borrowed. How proud they all must be.

[MethuenProgressive]

28. THIS IZNT A STORY!! IT ONYL MADDERS TO DUMMIES WHO HATE MERICA!!!11!!!

At least, that's what DU's Obama supporters are peddling.

[Mass]

29. If Patrick does not complain, why should the Clintons complain. God, so pathetic.

It is sad that what should have been a strong woman candidacy shows us she is no different from the centuries of men rule that we have had in the past.

We do not need 4 years of the same BS. No to the Clintons.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. I'm Just Learning About This Now. That's Pretty Sad Actually.

I mean, it's not the end of the world or anything, but it was a bit of an error on his part to lift a part like that from someone else's speech. If he's genuine and for real, he shouldn't have to borrow parts like that. Voters never like to learn that something was recycled. It cheapens the candidates rhetoric. Stupid move on his part in my opinion, but unlikely to really damage him all that much.

[bicentennial_baby]

31. It was given to him by Patrick:

This is from the NYT story:

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

[MethuenProgressive]

36. Obama Orders Patrick to call NYT and cover for him.

"No DC job unless you can cover my ass, DeePee."

[Cameron27]

40. Yep

[krkaufman]

99. Wow. That's an awesome quote. Do you have a link for it? n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Not The Point To Me Whatsoever. It's All About Being Genuine. In This Case, He Wasn't.

Whether Patrick condones it or not isn't the issue here, and is of little relevance to me. Obama is supposed to be this holier than though motivator and speaker, so you'd think he'd be able to respond without having to be so weak as to have to borrow motivational responses from past campaigns. That is simply just weak in a sense, and you should readily know that. If Hillary did such a thing this board would be ablaze in vitriol, so right now the stench of hypocrisy in here is so much that I can barely breath.

Now granted, this shouldn't hurt him much and isn't the end of the world. But to pretend it was honorable somehow or that it has integrity, and that it wasn't a weak move and a sign of inexperience, then you're just completely blind to reality.

What concerns me is that if on an attack like this he was only able to respond with the WORDS OF ANOTHER, then how's he going to be able to respond strongly to the RW spin machine come the GE? That DOES concern me, and it should concern you a bit too. He needs to be able to completely be in control of his responses and prepared to answer the attacks swiftly and strongly, without having to first have someone else give him something that might've worked for them in their campaign. Just makes him look weak, sorry. Dismiss it all you want, but it is what it is. Get over it.

[BeyondGeography]

44. So you're more concerned about hypothetical RW attacks on Obama than the real polls

that show him to be much stronger than Hillary against McCain.

Reminds me of your line about proctologists the other day.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. Sorry, But I'm Not Moronic Enough To Think Those Polls Have Any Legitimacy Whatsoever.

In fact, I think nothing has made people here look more like fools then putting weight behind those numbers, before they've even begun to campaign against each other. It shows an amazingly limited mind as it relates to politics. Those numbers aren't worth any more than the paper they're written on. You don't know that? You think once they actually go head to head those numbers will remain? How silly.

[BeyondGeography]

48. So independents and moderate Republicans are all of a sudden

magically going to fall in line and vote for her over McCain, after they have demonstrably rejected her the entire primary season in favor of Obama? When they also had a chance to go for McCain in many states, I might add.

Your line of thinking would make sense if it were supported by the facts we already know. It isn't.

How silly.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. The Campaign Itself Changes Everything. When GE Campaigning Starts, It's A Whole New Ballgame.

Do you really not know this? Are you really that politically ignorant and naive?

[BeyondGeography]

53. That's a brave way of saying you've got not nothing

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

54. That's A Factual Way Of Saying That You're Clueless As It Relates To How Politics Work.

If you think those numbers coming out now carry the slightest bit of relevance as to how things will be come the GE, then you're quite simply a fool. Take a moment to actually use some critical thinking abilities and think about it a minute. Maybe it'll come to ya.

[BeyondGeography]

56. "Clueless," "ignorant," "naive"

all necessary qualities for someone who apparently thinks the same people who have rejected Hillary in 35 states so far will fall in love with her in the general when the Republicans have actually chosen a candidate who appeals to them (that would be independents and moderate Republicans).

Or maybe I need building blocks to spell it out for you?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. Reality Check Pal.

I never said nor claimed that all of them would fall for her. You said that.

What I did say, was that your claim and belief that those current poll numbers mean a damn friggin thing as it relates to how it will be in the GE, makes you look like an utterly ignorant and naive political fool. And it does. Take the advice of your intellectual superior, and think about it a bit. Those numbers don't mean squat.

[BeyondGeography]

58. LOL...If they don't fall for her, how is she going to win?

You can say the GE polls are shit, but you can't deny that the polls are telling us what the primaries and caucuses have already demonstrated: once she gets out of the Clinton-friendly realm of registered Democrats, she's weaker than day-old coffee.

MindCrime...guilty as charged.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

61. God It's Like Talking To A Wall. A Really Dumb Wall.

Try and grasp this ok? Once the GE starts it is a WHOLE NEW BALL GAME. What part about that can you not understand? There are so many things that happen during the course of the GE campaign, and she could ABSOLUTELY end up bringing tons of people to her side, especially since their option is a weak ass McCain. The game hasn't even yet begun, yet you're willing to stand there atop your pedestal preaching to the masses like an utter dolt, trying to claim that these current numbers mean something? Pretty stupid pal, if I may say so.

Hillary will undoubtedly crush McCain in the GE. She's a great candidate and will make a great president. But for you to think for a second that those current poll numbers mean ANYTHING as it relates to how things will be when the campaign gets into full swing, makes you really look like a political fool. That's a fact jack, no matter how much you want to close your naive mind off to it.

Like I said, do the right thing and trust your intellectual superior on this one: You're just simply wrong and need a reality check. I hope you'll take that under advisement and realize that the position you hold is the position of a fool.

[BeyondGeography]

63. Nothing spells weakness like outright boasts of superiority

It has been amusing. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

66. I Think In This Case The Superiority Is Quite Clear. Take Your Superior's Advice, Those Numbers

mean nothing. If you continue to use them as if they carry legitimacy, you will continue to look the fool. I say that sincerely. I'm trying to educate you to your naivety, but it is your choice if you want to remain a political ignoramus or not.

I mean, you seriously believe that those current poll numbers will stick once real campaigning gets underway? Do you really believe that? C'mon, you can't really believe that.

Take my advice; you're wrong.

[BeyondGeography]

74. This just in...some fresh material for your bulging Denial File

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4643856

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

84. Nothing Worse Than An Ignoramus Who Willfully Chooses To Be An Ignoramus.

If you want to be a political moron, while casting aside the factual logic of your political and intellectual superiors, that's your choice. But I feel sad for you.

[Hoof Hearted]

88. The fact is, you are wrong. Head to head polls this far out are irrelevant to outcome in the GE.

This has been shown time and time again.

This is the primary season, a totally different animal altogether from the GE. The only reason why they even do polls about the GE this far out is that we, as a people are rather consumed by and addicted to polls. (when we like them)

I would suggest you research it, but I'm of the distinct feeling that you do not care to do so, as it would undermine your posit.

[Carrieyazel]

89. These polls are still hypothetical matchups. Obama hasn't clinched the nom yet.

And he's been virtually untouched so far in the campaign. When the attacks and assaults come from all sides, I doubt he'll be as strong as these early polls suggest.

[LatinManNH]

62. Perhaps by recycling this speech

Obama was trying to promote his Green initiatives for the environment. Although with all the hot air that has emanated from his pulpit, he actually could be increasing the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

[Mass]

34. You're right. It settles it for me. I will not support the Clintons. I cannot stand for 4 more years

of the same pathetic BS. She is making a fool of herself, and , as a woman, it makes me very sad.

[Tom Joad]

42. I think Hillary should have given credit to W Bush for her

Middle East policy. Couldn't she think of anything more original?

[Enrique]

45. suppose Hillary had done this

y'all'd tear her skin off.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

47. Not aslong as she had gotten permission, something Obama had been given n/t

[Barack_America]

51. Well she is *borrowing* all of Bill's accomplishments as President. n/t

[ProSense]

78. Hillary's campaign is the only one

lifting language without permission.

Where is the outrage?

This claim against Obama is a cheap stunt by her campaign to distort what really happened:

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

[McCamy Taylor]

83. So Patrick gave him some advice on how to respond. In other words, he was Obama's script writer.

Sounds good to me. That ought to lay this story to rest.

[Barack_America]

50. NO! Not a borrowed phrase from a friend! *Screams**Gasps**Kicking motions*

Anything but THAT!!1!1!1!!!!11

Doesn't this embarass y'all just a little bit? I mean here you are, educated people interested in politics and you've been reduced to being "outraged" about this?

[usregimechange]

52. Ha! plagiarism to quote MLK??? and "just words"

[Seabiscuit]

55. So CNN is spinning plagiarism as "adapted material"???

Student A gives Student B permission to use Student A's term paper as if it were his own. Student B submits the term paper to one of his professors as if it were his own. The professor finds out and reports Student B to the Dean for plagiarism. The Dean calls Student B into his office, telling Student B he's being expelled for plagiarism. Student B offers a belated defense: "It was only adapted material, sir."

[sampsonblk]

59. Don't forget 'Si, Se Puede!' That's not original either!-nt

[blogslut]

60. Welcome to front runner world

Let me tell you a little something about the press: They build them up only so they can tear them down.

Another reason I support Obama. We're tired of the press telling us what to hate, what to fear, what to buy and how to vote.

[Hoof Hearted]

67. .

:rofl:

[cottonseed]

68. So, I checked into the real world for a bit.

And this is non-news. What's actually there is CNN's repeating of the Clinton campaign's garbage smear of the day. Even though DU has it's panties in a bunch over this, things will go on as they've always been. The sun will rise, birds will chirp, and Obama will beat the tar out of Clinton once again come Tuesday.

[ruggerson]

79. yeah, non news. Sludge has it in bold headlines but none of the MSM pays him any attention

[cottonseed]

81. I suppose that's why it's called Sludge.

He needs traffic from any ninny who will visit.

[ruggerson]

85. that makes sense

:crazy:

[cottonseed]

96. I think it does. He posts garbage, some people eat it up.

The MSM won't run with it for more than a day, because it is garbage. This will effect nothing.

[loveangelc]

87. lol at you thinking this will matter

[ruggerson]

93. actually i don't think it will

but it has turned into a big news story. No denying that.

[loveangelc]

94. yeah but I can't imagine the average voter is going to see this as anything other than

clinton grasping at straws...

[ruggerson]

95. I don't think the average voter will relate this to clinton

the story is about obama. But, like I said, plagiarism is an abstract concept to many. Won't affect many votes.

[McCamy Taylor]

71. Obama needs to be careful. He has "borrowed" from Edwards and Jimmy Carter, too.

[dchill]

82. Ahem...

So has Hillary. Pot & Kettle. Goose & Gander. Get a clue.

Elizabeth Edwards on Hillary Clinton's Health Plan:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/09/20/el...

News release about HRC's Economic message:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080217/pl_nm/usa_politics_...

:)

[McCamy Taylor]

86. I didn't say that Hillary hasn't as well. Edwards was the REAL Dem. That was why the MSM got rid of

him.

:cry:

If Obama is the second coming of Jesus and Hillary is Mother Mary, Edwards is John the Baptist and they done cut off his head.

[dchill]

91. OK, gotcha...

You already HAD a clue! :)

[jackson_dem]

73. Imagine if Joe Biden did this!

Oh wait he (allegedly) did and his campaign was taken down by the msm for it in 1988. St. Obama will survive.

[ruggerson]

76. It's now the HEADLINE story on Sludge

and Politico has it too:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8570.html

Howard Wolfson, the Clinton campaign's communications director, today accused Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) of committing “plagiarism” in a speech in Milwaukee on Saturday night.

Wolfson made the explosive charge in an interview with Politico after suggesting as much in a conference call with reporters.

On the call, Wolfson said: “Sen. Obama is running on the strength of his rhetoric and the strength of his promises and, as we have seen in the last couple of days, he’s breaking his promises and his rhetoric isn’t his own.”

"When an author plagiarizes from another author there is damage done to two different parties. One is to the person he plagiarized from. The other is to the reader," said Wolfson.

[Carrieyazel]

77. Welcome to the big leagues, Barack. The free pass is finally over.

After these past several years of no challenges, media-driven celebrity idol status and coasting to fame; You can't coast into the White House. Its going to take a lot more.

[cottonseed]

80. The slobbering Clinton dogs of war have been unleashed.

Welcome indeed.

[Hoof Hearted]

92. I should think you'd be pleased.

Poor kid needs to go through some vetting, God knows he's not had it yet.