Camp Clinton: Red state delegates are "second class"

[Renew Deal]

"Second-class delegates"

A co-chairman of Hillary's Michigan campaign and has a line that's sure to drive a whole bunch of red state governor's up the wall:

"Superdelegates are not second-class delegates," says Joel Ferguson, who will be a superdelegate if Michigan is seated. "The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Secondclass_delegates.html

[sfam]

1. Perhaps we should change the primary rules for 2012 to only allow...

those states which Hillary won to vote in the Primaries. After all, as the rest don't really count, why waste everyone's time there?

[roguevalley]

33. I suppose us red state dems could kiss their rings and give them

our last buck. Tell me, fuckers? Are our dollars second class too or what?

RV, from Alaska

[SteelPenguin]

2. Right

Because why would we ever want to nominate a candidate that might actually win some of those so called red states.

:sarcasm:

[FlyingSquirrel]

3. Wow. This should be a big story but won't be...

The media is too busy smearing the candidate they built up so they could tear down later to follow it.

[shenmue]

4. Yeah, because people in the red states don't insult us all the time.

If they're majority Republican, what votes are we losing?

Do Obama supporters have anything to post besides opinions and quotes by one person, slanted to make it look as if they're talking for everyone? Could that be more off-the-cuff?

:eyes:

Then again, Obama supporters at DU really will say anything and do anything. It's campaigning via invective and smear.

Get real. Any editorial in any of many different papers on a given day are far worse than what this guy said. Not to mention, oh, most Obama supporters' posts here. Start looking at the way your own supporters talk about the northeast. Not exactly the most respectful and accurate you'll ever see.

Hypocrite much?

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. So you think that Democrats in red states don't matter...

because of the conduct of Republicans in those states?

That's an incredibly stupid thing to say. Is the Democratic Party the party of everyone who calls him/herself a Democrat? Or only the party of people who live in blue states? Marginalising people within the party and telling them 'you don't matter' is not smart. It is also not particularly helpful in working to change the political demographics of so-called 'red states' (most of which vote anywhere from thirty to forty-nine percent blue in national elections).

[fascisthunter]

5. Wow... That's Just Plain Wrong!

[NC_Nurse]

6. Well, she right that they won't vote for HER.

She is not liked down here, that's for sure. Maybe because she
of things like that.
I think Obama could win here though.

[MadBadger]

7. Thank you :-)

[Renew Deal]

9. This one is priceless.

They are fools.

[MadBadger]

10. My mouth was literally on the floor when I read it.

[sniffa]

8. I guess it focus grouped well for her 17 state strategy

since it's back.

[pstans]

11. As an Iowan, I no longer matter

We were a slightly blue state for Gore in 2000, a slightly red state for Bush in 2004. We have a caucus, so that means Hillary is blowing us off. Looks like she is going to give up on Iowa and let McCain win.

[Renew Deal]

12. I think she's polling behind him in Iowa

And just about everywhere else.

[JVS]

13. are these idiots smoking crack?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

14. I'm just speechless here.

Here's abit more of this interview from the Lansing State Journal.

The superdelegates have been getting a super amount of attention lately, with some saying it would be outrageous for superdelegates to put Clinton over the top if Obama has won the most popular votes and delegates in primaries and caucuses.

Ferguson, who supports Clinton, doesn't buy that argument for a minute.

"Superdelegates are not second-class delegates," Ferguson said. "The real second-class delegates are the delegates that are picked in red-state caucuses that are never going to vote Democratic."

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080217/NEWS04/802170542/1005/news

[Occam Bandage]

15. Why does she care about Ohio and Texas, then? They're second-class.

[bunnies]

17. Great Question!

:thumbsup:

[LulaMay]

16. The point is that he has not won the larger contests and swing vote states, crucial to win a GE

and she leads in OH and PEN.....nobody has won a GE since the 60's without winning at least 2 of the swing states of OH, PEN and FL (which is why the Dem leadership better be VERY CAREFUL about denying Floridians their votes and delegates. We need that state and they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary, and 300,000 votes more than McCain.

[Occam Bandage]

19. You mean like CO, VA, MN, IA, and MO?

[Major Hogwash]

40. Oh, snap! That's gonna leave a mark.

I can't believe Hillary thought it would all be over by February 5th.

Maybe she thought the Iraq War would be over in 6 weeks when she voted for the IWR, after Wolfowitz said it should only last that long, too.

Maybe she believed everything the Bush administration ever told her.

Talk about an error in judgement!

What happened to all that "experience" she was supposed to have?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. What's funny about this...

is that Clinton's only hope is Texas.

[FlyingSquirrel]

20. Seriously, this should go over well there.

:D

[VolcanoJen]

21. Flyover Delegates

May as well just call them that.

Can't wait for Ohio to be yet another state that doesn't count! ;-)

[Perky]

22. And Activist elites do not need a president according to Bill

[Perky]

23. Obama should publicly rebuke any delegate who says that.

Forcing Hillary to either agree withe Obama or the Delegate.

[JackORoses]

24. Joel 'Turd' Ferguson sounds like he has never heard of the US Congress and its Elective Process

or the notion of a working Majority

[MadBadger]

25. Notice how he says Red state CAUCUSES. Because apparently we are going to win Oklahoma this year!

[Major Hogwash]

41. Obama got more delegates from his win in Kansas than Hillary did for hers in New Jersey!

Oooh, that's gotta hurt!

[Egnever]

26. UGH they just cant stop the bleeding

Her campaign is wildly out of control. Watching them self destruct is fascinating but also very sad.

[Bread and Circus]

27. Wow, that's a nasty tone. Insulting voters is bad policy.

[Occam Bandage]

35. Clinton's campaign is a rolling disaster.

[blogslut]

28. They Eyes of Texas Are Upon You, Hillary

All the Live long Day...

- Jon Sinclair 1903

Now, what's all this bovine fecal matter about red states?

[Hawaii Hiker]

29. Ok, the Clinton camp should not have said this, but remember Republicans always

say things like that about the big cities NY, LA, etc.....I'd bet Republicans call those in NY, LA, Philly, Boston, etc. alot worse things than second class....

[MadBadger]

30. So the Clintons are as bad as repulibcans

I can live with that.

[Obamaniac]

31. Are these people just stupid?

Did the Clinton campaign hire all the stupid people running campaigns or what?

There are more than ten primaries/caucuses left and more than half are in red states. All Obama has to do is play what these stupid boneheads are saying about red states and she's certain to lose the majority of primaries/caucuses from here on out.

But then the Hillbots will blame the media or the sexism of people or the unfair attacks by Obama for her loss. They won't place the blame where it deserves to be: on these idiots who are running her campaign.

[Yael]

32. BWA! Picture the Texas evening caucus now:

Obama supporters, please move to the right.

Second-class citizens, please move to the left.

:rofl:

On another note -- this could make for a good advertizing slogan. Someone call the Clinton team and kick it off?

:evilgrin:

[Renew Deal]

39. All you second class people, vote for me!

Hillary 08

[Political Heretic]

36. WOW. Just....wow. FUH. KING. ASSHOLE.

I don't care what kind of point you are trying to make - that's about the WORST possible way you could make it.

[Renew Deal]

37. yup

:kick:

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38. kick

:kick:

[Renew Deal]

42. For the second class

:kick:

[CorpGovActivist]

43. .

[ShadowLiberal]

44. Isn't that approach very similar to the Bush strategy?

That approach seems very close to the Bush strategy. Screw the blue states who will never vote me, screw the people who will never vote for me, I'm serving my base and that's it, I only need 51% of the country to get elected.