Clinton bought Bush's war talk, Obama didn't - Capital Times

[rndmprsn]

for all the clinton shills (who are a clear minority here at DU according to every poll) you should be ashamed at yourselves for defending her bad judgment on the war...and if the only response is the standard clinton "he's as bad as me" one...then don't bother.

for shame...

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/273007

In determining which of the two leading Democratic candidates would make the most competent and credible commander in chief, it is revealing to compare the public statements of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama during October 2002, when Congress voted to authorize the U.S. invasion of Iraq...

...Obama certainly carried no pretense about the nature of Saddam Hussein's regime, referring to the late Iraqi dictator as "brutal" and "ruthless" and acknowledging that "the world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him." At the same time, he recognized that "Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors." Furthermore, Obama recognized "that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military is a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained."

That same month in Washington, Clinton was insisting incorrectly that Iraq had ties to al-Qaida, was "trying to develop nuclear weapons," and that Iraq's possession of biological and chemical weapons was "not in doubt."

Clinton then went on record insisting that the risk that Saddam would "employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States" was enough to "justify action by the United States to defend itself," specifically by authorizing President Bush to launch an invasion of Iraq at the time and circumstances of his choosing...

...On one of the most critical policy questions of a generation, a state senator from Illinois was able to figure out what an experienced member of the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee could not -- that Saddam was no longer a threat and that an invasion of Iraq would harm America's national security interests.

[jasmine621]

1. And she was the ONLY one to buy it? Obama didn't have to "buy" it.

He was not in the Senate and saying he opposed the war without having to vote on it is easy.

[HeraldSquare212]

2. He didn't have to speak out - but he did.

Many who should have spoken out did not.

[rndmprsn]

5. uh yeah...

"Though under no obligation as an Illinois state senator to make any public statements on foreign policy, Obama spoke out against the prospects of war at an anti-war rally in Chicago."

your "easy way out" analogy is full of well...shit.

[Mags]

24. He's also voted to fund it. Don't forget that. Guess that

doesn't matter to the followers, cause in their eyes he has done no wrong.

[Dinger]

9. That Deserves It's Own Thread, So I Can K & R It!

That has been exactly my point.

[JimGinPA]

3. Don't Try And Confuse Them With The Facts...

:crazy:

[polpilot]

4. The only 'Surprise Attack' for Clinton has come from Obama!!!!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. Obama was not there for a vote therefore rendering this piece moot

[rndmprsn]

7. oh i guess it doesn't count....

just like all the states he wins by huge margin...get a freaking life ok

[tularetom]

8. If knowing that Iraq stuff was BS is a qualification for the senate

I'd venture to say that there are about 100,00 DU'ers who are qualified to serve there.

If Hillary would have listened to her constituents instead of Bill and his advisors she would have voted differently.

I suspect that she did know the war talk was bullshit but voted against her own instincts, because Bill convinced her she would look "soft on terror" and "unpatriotic" if she opposed the resolution.

Bill Clinton seems to have a problem with actual Democrats.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

10. The woman can make up her own mind. I blame her. Not Bill.

[coalition_unwilling]

14. The blood is drip, drip, dripping from HilBilly's hands. "Out, damned spot,"

she cries at night. But nor all her piety nor wit will wash out a drop of it (with apologies to Shakespeare and Omar Khayan).

[rodeodance]

11. STOP lecturing us please. And look to your own shame!

[rodeodance]

12. WHO ARE YOU TO TELL US WHAT TO POST--

[tyne]

13. If she would have read the NIE

instead of beleiving the brief of the people who wrote it, maybe she'd have voted differently.

Sen Dodd actually read the NIE and explained that's why he voted no.

[rodeodance]

18. Stick to my post--my focus was on the OP spouting off telling Hillary people to shut up. You missed

the point!

[goldcanyonaz]

15. More bullshit from the Jesus Camp.

Obama wasn't even a Senator at the time, he is a just a panderer.

[tyne]

16. Nobody said

he was a US senator.

The article is talking about what each person said before that vote.

[rndmprsn]

17. no worries...when you are running a non-fact-based campaign

such as the clinton's are, nothing really matters except for their own egos...

[rodeodance]

20. they live in the Obamabubble -they Choose NOT to listen outside their bubble.

[BlueStater]

19. Real easy for Obama to brave from the safety of blue state Illinois

No gave a flying fuck about him in 2002 so there were no consequences for the things he said.

He talks a good game but his senate votes tell a different story.

[rndmprsn]

21. yawn...

i've heard it all before...next.

[BlueStater]

23. I bet you couldn't refute it before either n/t

[BringBigDogBack]

22. kick

I love Clintonistas trying to justify this. It's Hill-arious