BLOWBACK is a BITCH! We are about to witness some more.

[FrenchieCat]

The Hillary Campaign keeps attempting to do damage to the Obama campaign, and all that ends up happening is that they hurt themselves in a long run.

Each petty instant is snatched up by Hillary supporters everywhere, with a renewed glimmer of hope that a "controversy" will rise to MSM reporting and end the Obama campaign once and for all. First we had the snub, than it was all about the Cult, than there was the "faint", now there's "just words", and not counting out anything that Michelle Obama might say.

On the other hand, the Hillary campaign has staged various "occurrences" like the "Iron my shirt", I found my voice Hillary "tears", "Hispanics don't vote for Blacks", and the most recent; Rude Obama Heckler confused with "Pro-Life" protesters at Bill campaign stop (MSM only show Bill dogging out Pro-Life members...which of course is what Dems want to see)

If the Hillary campaign actually believes that Obama borrowing two words (Just Words--the rest were public domain quotes) from his good Friend and a member of his campaign is somehow going to "move" voters, they've got another thing coming.

Voters aren't stupid. They understand much more than the Hillary Campaign gives them credit for.

Voters know that this is nothing, and means nothing.

Hillary supporters, on the other hand, don't appear to have a clue.

I feel badly for a campaign that doesn't know how to do anything beyond attack, distort, twist, accuse, stage situations, whine and dismiss.

And for the record;
Hillary's solutions are "Just Words"!
(Per approval from Duvall Patrick)
written down on a fucking piece of paper.


I'm still "fired up and ready to go".......as Hillary and McCain have both plainly stated on the campaign trail.

But watch.....cause, it will be the blowback that will be a bitch!

[CorpGovActivist]

1. This idiotic plagiarizing meme tore it for me. Gloves off with the Clintons now. My oppo research...

... file is wide open now.

- Dave

[Adelante]

7. You're really good at it, too

I've been watching :)

[CorpGovActivist]

9. I started on the GOP and Dems likely to run 2.5 years ago...

... and hers is the nastiest file of all.

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

134. Let's hear it...

She deserves it.

However, she's going to lose and it will be enough for me--to see her
losing what she considers her birthright.

She is a terrible person and I'm scared that so many in our party were
bamboozled by her. For God's sakes, just look at her votes. She's
Lieberman in a pantsuit.

Ok, but I still want to hear what you've got...

[saigon68]

137. LOL Joementum Losermann in aa Pant Suit

What a creep that ass-hole is --Dodged the draft did he---- just like his buddy Gangster Cheney

[CorpGovActivist]

142. You've written 200+ press releases...

... so you're familiar with "under embargo," right?

; )

I'll be giving backgrounders to OHIO affiliates this week, and national/foreign press over the weekend.

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

144. Ahhh yes, the embargoed news release...

I've released a few of those.

Until the embargo is lifted...I'll sit here curious!

:)

[CorpGovActivist]

149. Got a fax number with an Ohio or Texas area code?

; )

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

151. No, but I've got $36 in a Paypal account...

LOL! I'm kidding!

I do have a fax number, but I'm in Iowa.

[CorpGovActivist]

155. PM it to me...

... I might be looking to send a few out an hour before the embargo ends on Sunday.

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

158. I hope the media covers it...

Do you expect that the media will bite the line and cover
the information in your release?

I'm not doubting your abilities.

[CorpGovActivist]

159. I have a few favors to call in...big chits. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

148. Can I be an "Ohio affiliate"...

I'm in Iowa, that's kind of affiliated with Ohio...it's just a few
states away.

;)

I never break an embargo.

[CorpGovActivist]

150. Iowa...hmmmm...

... you're sorta equi-distant between Ohio and Texas.

; )

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

154. Exactly....geographically...

I'm a dream come true.

:)

[CorpGovActivist]

156. I'll say!!!

:hug:

[CorpGovActivist]

80. ******************FEAR leads to ANGER******************

And all this angry talk from desperate Clintonites is just fermented fear.

- Dave

[Chisox08]

214. And Anger leads to hatred

and hatred leads to the Darkside.
We've seen what happens when we have a President and VP that leads from the Darkside. We get more illegal war more outsourcing of jobs, more corp. record profits, more record consumer debt and more tax cuts for the rich.

[CorpGovActivist]

220. The Clinton Campaign is running from a place of fear now. n/t

[Enrique]

12. dirt doesn't work as well on Clinton as it does on Obama

people hear something about Hillary, they say to themselves, oh it's this shit again.

[CorpGovActivist]

14. Watch and learn. n/t

[backscatter712]

68. I like Obama's strategy better:

Keep sharp and prepared, and have a response to the smears and attacks ready at the first sign of trouble.

Defang the attacks with truth, broadcast as quickly and widely as possible, then watch the blowback as everyone dogpiles Hillary for pulling a Rove...

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

77. Clinton is all soundbites and backbiting

Her campaign is now all soundbites and backbiting. Meanwhile Obama's campaign has its hands full refuting her allegations. Clinton campaign "decider"s– you don't give us any reason to vote for your candidate– you only give us a reason to vote against your opponent.

[backscatter712]

93. I don't know about hands full.

He seems to be doing a bang-up job of parrying all the poo-slinging from the Clintonistas, and still getting his message out.

Pretty soon, he'll be telling Hillary "I am not left handed."

[CorpGovActivist]

163. Poor Bill. Not Professor Higgins after all. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

108. Clinton's handlers have nothing positive left to position her with. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

97. That's only part of the rapid response team's toolkit...

... and - call it a very well-informed hunch, if you will - another tool is about to be wielded here, to put the Clintons where they belong: fighting a rearguard action.

- Dave

[Laurab]

199. A "very well-informed hunch"....

I WILL!

[CorpGovActivist]

200. They blew all the failsafes off my data vaults, Lori.

Honestly, that plagiarism business tore it for me.

- Dave

[Laurab]

215. Such a shame, Dave.

I'm going to cry in my coffee, I think. Ok, I tried, but I can't fake tears...

You know, it's only going to get worse, with the FL & Mich delegates and the Superdelegates and the "we'll do anything to win" attitude, anyway. I'm a tiny bit worried about the machines in Ohio, but aside from that, I think they're doing very well in damaging their campaign all on their own, if they can be helped along, I'm all for it.

[CorpGovActivist]

218. Be sure to remove that from your resume/headshot...

... if you can't cry on cue, Lori.

- Dave

[mopinko]

178. yup

[tblue37]

210. Please don't do so much damage that if she is our nominee she would

lose to McCain. Hillary is definitely better than McCain!

[CorpGovActivist]

229. She won't be the nom, but I always try to be circumspect...

... when unleashing data that can be recorked.

- Dave

[Windy]

18. You're nuts. The expect dirt from the Clintons. Not some ridiculous plagarism charge about a line

in a lengthly speech.

They are making asses of themselves. I guess they gotta go for something as the Resko stuff is going nowhere since the owners of the property came out and said that the Obama's bid fairly for the property that they bought and it had nothing to do with Resko!

[CorpGovActivist]

21. "They are making asses of themselves." All three Clintons, yes. n/t

[JPZenger]

130. This is the worst they can find on Obama?

Every time one of these desparate attacks is made on Obama, or his wife, or his church, or his minister, I keep thinking: This is the worst dirt they can find on the guy?

[CorpGovActivist]

161. Bingo n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

23. They call Hillary shit? No wonder she's losing so bad.

[CorpGovActivist]

113. If she wants the big chair, she needs to be effective. She ain't. n/t

[demokatgurrl]

34. OH how I wish that were true. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

66. they are like a broken toilet

their shit never goes away, it just gets stirred up with the new shit.

the more you stir it the worse it stinks.


Remember we have not had to listen to the shit about the Clintons for 8 years, we now have bigger problems to deal with and the last thing we want is to go back to the ugly Clinton sitcom.

[CorpGovActivist]

69. They're like a bad spinoff of themselves now. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

19. ...

:thumbsup:

[CorpGovActivist]

30. Honestly, this fake plagiarism thing was the final straw for me. Clinton couldn't hang...

... in a real academic environment, with other viewpoints challenging hers.

She knows NOTHING of intellectual and academic integrity.

- Dave

[TwilightGardener]

36. It's Clintonian politics. Policy-wonking isn't selling as well as it used to, and they

are running out of arrows in their quiver. Now they're pretty much campaigning on fumes and praying for ammo of any kind on their opponent.

[CorpGovActivist]

39. I think it's time that they showed they can play defense on a factual attack...

... I'm tired of their pretend "going-on-offensives," and Bill is rusty.

- Dave

[TwilightGardener]

43. Bill reminds me of a vaudeville stage act after the Golden Age of television took hold.

Just about 15 years out of date, kickin' it old-school, getting some applause from some older folks who remember him fondly on the circuit.

[CorpGovActivist]

48. Very apt and precISe. n/t

[DEMocracity]

56. Yes. "Glory Days"

[CorpGovActivist]

59. In the blink of a young girl's eye...

... it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOpIfbneeHg">passed him by.

[KittyWampus]

127. OMG! Clinton is the Rich Little of politics.

[CorpGovActivist]

160. OMG!

:rofl:

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[CoffeeCat]

135. Clinton has relied on...

...the THREAT of her being in a position of power.

For years, they've hung that over every Democrat and Republican head.

Don't want to piss off the future Queen, now do you??? WELL! DO YOU???

She has never had to play an honest game--listening to people and furthering
intellectual ideas. She expected to use her power to destroy people who didn't
fall in line, control people who she wants to keep in line and leverage those who
kiss her ass.

Now. She's no longer inevitable. She no longer has that threat of power hanging
over so many people--that she's controlled all of these years.

Her enemies will come out of the woodwork to reveal what a mess she is.

[CorpGovActivist]

143. Oh, yeah. The comeuppance she has coming from Hill colleagues alone...

... will make her reliance on superdelegates all that much more fun to watch - erode.

- Dave

[Divernan]

183. Clintons are driving the futures market in straw through the roof!

As in, grasping at. And of course we see the same desperation from their true believers on line.

[CorpGovActivist]

193. LOL...dang, gotta call my commodities broker n/t

[ruggerson]

22. rofl

[CorpGovActivist]

26. Stay right where you are. Keep laughing...

... while the facts about the Clintons keep tickling you in that very special place.

- Dave

[ruggerson]

35. Hey, go check out Sludge's latest headline

I realize you have more impact than he does, but do it just for the fun of it.

[CorpGovActivist]

42. I've never visited that site, even once, and don't plan to start now.

But when I put out a press release, it usually - if not always - gets picked up.

- Dave

[ruggerson]

52. okie doke

[CorpGovActivist]

54. That's about the size of it.

Seriously, pulling out my press release template is about the LAST thing the Clintons want before TX and OH.

I think Hillary would be well-advised to personally apologize - from the podium - for her campaign's intellectually-dishonest plagiarizing charge.

- Dave

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[backscatter712]

100. CorpGovActivist & Maddy McCall - take this somewhere else please?

I don't know about you, but I'd rather get back to blowback...

[CorpGovActivist]

102. My sincere apologies. See #1 upthread, and the sub-thread underneath...

... for a clearer understanding of what sparked the fearful response.

I, too, am looking forward to the Clintons reaping the whirlwind they've sown on this idiotic plagiarism meme, and apologize for the sideshow.

- Dave

[backscatter712]

104. No problem.

I know how Internet shitstorms can spiral out of control.

Anyways, back to the blowback...

/me makes a bowl of popcorn...

[CorpGovActivist]

105. May I have some of that popcorn?

I did my part with the press release send button just now. The Clintons pissed me right the ^%$# off today, and my data files came alive, the password failsafes came down, and I wrote a few of my investigative journalist friends.

:popcorn:

- Dave

[backscatter712]

109. /me passes the bowl

Any ideas where I should be looking when the blowback hits the news?

[CorpGovActivist]

Two days before TX and OH; you won't be able to miss it, my guess n/t

[CoffeeCat]

136. I like the sideshow!

I want to hear more!

I've written more than 200 press releases in my lifetime...I kinda miss it.

I'm intrigued.

[CorpGovActivist]

141. "I've written more than 200 press releases in my lifetime"

Is that all?

; )

:rofl:

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

145. What, 200 isn't enough?

I haven't written a press release in a few years, and I
do miss it.

I will live vicariously through your fabulous press releases!

Your releases sound juicier than mine.

[CorpGovActivist]

152. I've been writing them since 95...

... and started under one of the best in the business. Andrea Cunningham, co-creator of the 1984 Mac commercial.

- Dave

[CoffeeCat]

153. I know someone who worked on that campaign...

I worked with her.

She worked with SJ.

I'm glad to see that a real PR pro is putting their valuable skills to
good use in the political world.

The world needs more people like you.

[CorpGovActivist]

162. My degree is in Government...

... but I've picked up the very best private sector practices in service of public policies and solutions I believe are best for America.

And if I ever do decide to stop doing operations and be the principal of a campaign, I'll have a much more realistic grounding than Hillary ever could hope to, because I've kept an open mind along the way, and learned a helluva lot from others.

Oh, yeah: I didn't intellectually cloister myself, like she did, either.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

167. P.S. SJ is a riot in person. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

146. duplicate

duplicate.

[Nedsdag]

103. You are correct!

The Clintons have no conscience, no feelings.

They want to bring down the Democratic party just because the primaries aren't going their way. Well, it's not going their way so they should just leave the political stage after the next few primaries.

Hillary is in a lose lose situation and she knows it.

[CorpGovActivist]

106. Right now, as a "misunderstood" INTJ, she's hoping for some unseen option...

... but her innermost being tells her she's finished.

- Dave

[AZBlue]

128. Ruh roh.

They're in trouble now. Don't piss off CGA, he's goooooood! ;)

[CorpGovActivist]

147. I'm extremely pissed off at the Clintons, and the failsafes on the digital vaults...

... of my data files got blown right the f*&% off today.

My contacts with Ohio (especially) and (increasingly) Texas investigative journalists are tried, true, and they know me to be factual when I check in with a press release and data under embargo.

- Dave

[AZBlue]

249. Yeah!

I'm going to look forward to your posts even more now!! That's very cool - I admire (and am a little jealous of) what you do and your position.

I think it's fantastic! :D

[Eurobabe]

165. Me too, they freaking asked for it now

What a stupid ass POS meme to push. :eyes:

[CorpGovActivist]

191. They've excited those smarter than either of them, or both put together...

... and that bodes ill for them.

- Dave

[JVS]

176. Where is this file? I want to look

[CorpGovActivist]

182. Do you know what a server farm is? n/t

[JVS]

185. No. Fill me in. You can PM me if you like.

[CorpGovActivist]

186. Server farms are used to safeguard at least two copies...

... of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_farm">very important data, usually collected over a very long period of time.

Another word a lot of people are probably unfamiliar with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petabyte">petabyte.

- Dave

[democrat_nanny]

222. Wide open but "under embargo?"

*Yawn*

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

242. Yeah. You Were So Fair To Her Prior To That.

Who are you fucking kidding CGA. You think we're all born yesterday? You're too much!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[rndmprsn]

2. K&R...

thanks for this.

[Enrique]

3. "Iron my shirt" was a radio stunt

[SoxFan]

62. Tell me this

How did those two guys make it into the event with an anti-Hillary sign?

Clinton has Secret Sevice protection and an anal retentive advance team. People get stopped with PRO Hillary signs, but these two jokers were able to waltz in with that one? I'm not buying it.

I've talked to several people who work in NH/Boston radio, and they all believe that the campaign was in on this.

[Obama4prezz]

4. When did Hillary campaign say "Hispanics don't vote for blacks"?

ONE, I repeat, ONE pollster on his own, said that historically Hispanic have been reluctant to vote for black candidates. But then we go to the "Clinton rules" mentioned by Paul Krugman, whereby everything said that anyone who is even remotely close to Hillary is proof of evil intent against her or Bill.

[FrenchieCat]

17. That was a Hillary Pollster, i.e., employed by the campaign.....

and Hillary agreed that this was an "historical Fact".

“The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.”

—Clinton pollster Sergio Bendixen
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/01/12/clinton-pollster-latinos-too-racist-to-vote-for-obama/

Clinton at Root of Racist Stereotyping - Hispanics vs Blackswashingtonpost.com — Where did this come from? "Hispanics traditionally do not like Blacks." Since when? This is a racist, divisive falsehood that the Clinton Campaign has created and nurtured as a 'historical statement' in an attempt to pit the political arena against Obama. First mentioned by a Hillary pollster and then affirmed by Clinton herself. There is no proof.
http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Clinton_at_Root_of_Racist_Stereotyping_Hispanics_vs_Blacks

A few weeks ago, Sergio Bendixen, a Clinton pollster and Hispanic expert, publicly articulated what campaign officials appear to have been whispering for months. In an interview with Ryan Lizza of The New Yorker, Bendixen explained that "the Hispanic voter - and I want to say this very carefully - has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates."

The spin worked. For the last several weeks, it's been on the airwaves (Tucker Carlson, "Hardball," NPR), generally tossed off as if it were conventional wisdom. And it has shown up in sources as far afield as Agence France-Presse and the London Daily Telegraph, which wrote about a "voting bloc traditionally reluctant to support black candidates."

The spin also helped shape the analysis of the Jan. 19 Nevada caucus, in which Clinton won the support of Hispanic voters by a margin of better than 2 to 1. Forget the possibility that Nevada's Hispanic voters may have actually preferred Clinton or, at the very least, had a fondness for her husband; pundits embraced the idea that Hispanic voters simply didn't like the fact that her opponent was black.

But was Bendixen's blanket statement true?

Far from it, and the evidence is overwhelming enough to make you wonder why in the world the Clinton campaign would want to portray Hispanic voters as too unrelentingly racist to vote for Barack Obama.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=713782

[CorpGovActivist]

164. .

[Arugula Latte]

5. I thought it got especially ugly here this morning...Then I realized

that it is probably a sign of anger and desperation. I think the writing is on the wall for a lot of people invested in Hillary. Polls out of Wisconsin and Texas don't look very good for them ... The future isn't looking so hot for her campaign.

[grantcart]

61. Stage V

Stage I When you do not have the best position on the war - prevaricate

Stage II When you do not have the clear voice of leadership - triangulate

Stage III When you do not have the momentum - trivialize the election just lost

Stage IV When you do not have anywhere to go - instigate a smear on the supporters as unthinking cultists

Stage V When the supporters embrace the slur and turn it around - start backing up the dump truck and release a load
against the leader who has sparked a fire across the country.

Stage VI When this desperate tactic is reviled - step aside as the great locomotive of history barrels by you and you turn to watch history pass you by.

[Arugula Latte]

114. AH! Great summary!

Very well put. :applause:

[CorpGovActivist]

168. .

[C_U_L8R]

247. Stage VI coming up

I hear that train whistle blowing

[mudesi]

6. Obama and Clinton are tied in TEXAS, according to the latest poll

And he's going to win Wisconsin as well. The Clinton campaign is in all out desperation mode right now.

[CorpGovActivist]

201. Full-on freakout mode at Clinton HQ n/t

[melody]

8. I've always admired the Clintons, but this just disgusts me

It's such an obvious Rovian tactic. It will backfire on them.

[CorpGovActivist]

203. .

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

10. Clintons have an aura of negativism

they just seem vicious and desperate.

[CorpGovActivist]

171. Maybe at her next seance with Eleanor, they can cleanse their aura?

[ClericJohnPreston]

11. The only words in your OP that "don't count"

and which voters who aren't stupid would laugh at are "all fired up and ready to go".

What policy would that be about?

Do you think ethics aren't important, but sloganeering is?

[Laurab]

233. I can't really speak for CorpGovActivist, BUT

I believe I know him well enough to know that ethics ARE important to him. Very much so. Ethics - something the Clinton campaign left behind a long time ago, if they ever had any at all.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Nobody would have guessed how awful Clinton has run her campaign and

how absolutely brilliant Obama has run his.

Obama has worked for every vote, state by state. Gobama!

K&R :)

[CorpGovActivist]

197. No joy in Clintonville. Mighty Hilly struck out!

[TwilightGardener]

15. Yep, the Clinton campaign and its supporters are huddled together like

starved crocodiles, looking up and waiting for a "morsel" of a mistake from Obama to latch onto. They've given up all pretense of actually giving a shit about HILLARY'S train wreck of a campaign or her Mondale-like message, they're now just hoping and praying he trips up. Sad.

[CorpGovActivist]

198. Well put. n/t

[calmblueocean]

16. The saddest part is that any substantial ground for critiquing Obama has been ignored.

The stupid focus on Obama as the "words not deeds" candidate was just another sideshow that took away from the actual vetting that the primaries are supposed to do. She could've tried to attack his national security or foreign policy credentials, but instead of having a substantive argument on those grounds, we get this crap. If Hil somehow wins the nom, I'll vote for her, but I'll be glad if she loses, because I don't want to sit through another 7 months of this asinine foolishness, to say nothing of 4 years.

[IndianaGreen]

111. Don't forget the damage and the distractions that Bill has caused

If Hillary can't control Bill now, how could she control him in the White House?

[Tatiana]

112. Totally agree here.

In Team Clinton's race for the bottom, they have utterly failed to boost their lagging campaign by attacking Obama in the area she is strongest: foreign policy. This would have either forced Obama to step up his foreign policy knowledge or it would have bolstered Clinton's national security cred.

But yet Penn and Wolfson aim for the lowest common denominator. And that's why they are losing.

[dansolo]

255. They went with the Rove strategy

One of the trademark Rove strategies is to attack the opponent's perceived strength, which is exactly what the Clinton campaign tried to do. Instead of trying to blunt Obama's momentum with a substantive debate on the issues that he might be weak in, they resorted to the slimy tactics of the GOP. They forgot one little detail--they were targetting Democratic primary voters, who, on the whole, are not going to fall for that sort of BS.

[Nitrogenica]

20. Again and again this election is proving that going negative doesn't work anymore.

But, not going negative in the classic sense.

The negative campaigning that relies on half-truths and spin is OVER.

[Mags]

24. I feel sorry for niave people who just swallow anything

their leader ask they to swallow. If BO is elected, talk about blowback being a bitch. You ain't seen nothing yet.Talk about not having a clue.

[Faygo Kid]

31. Didn't you used to be MagsDem? What happened?

Just 177 posts since 2002, and you won't give us any other info. Interesting.

Perhaps you can give us a clue about that.

[Mags]

38. I use to be Newin NJ. has illness for a while and lost

touch. Has a lot of post as other name, moved and changed name.

[Faygo Kid]

49. I hope you're well now.

Political disagreements aren't always the most important thing. Take care.

[Divernan]

184. There's no need to bring Monica into this discussion! ! !

nt

[CorpGovActivist]

252. *snort of utter contempt for Old Man McCain*

[keep_it_real]

25. Hillary is saying they have dirt on Obama they will not use

Bob Novak wrote article this weekend saying that the the Hilary people are spreading word among democrats that they have dirt on Obama but they are not going to use it. Obama shot back it the got something put it up.

[tishaLA]

50. that happened MONTHS ago

welcome to 2008

[XemaSab]

55. So they're throwing a bunch of nonsense hoping something sticks

but they have REAL negative info they're sitting on as Hillary loses election after election? :crazy:

[GoldieAZ49]

70. The Clintons uncovered a bombshell they are waiting to use the day before TX

Obama quoted the founding fathers, MLK, FDR and JFK in a report he did in 6th grade.

They are calling him out as a liar because the report does not have "JUST WORDS" after the quotes.

Don't tell anybody, it is Top Secret!!!

:rofl:

[grantcart]

84. rock . . . throwing . . . glass house . . never mind

[Medusa]

98. If they had it, they'd use it

make no mistake about it. They don't have it, this is the best they have.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

157. And what a wonderful and ethical "reporter" Bob Novak is

:sarcasm:

Since the Plame affair, I have no respect for that shithead Novak and I don't believe a word he writes. He's completely lost my trust, and anything he writes has an ulterior motive that may not be readily apparent in the piece. He's a world class, A-1, top-notch piece of shit.

[Hepburn]

27. K&R....I am soooooooooooo sick of the Clintonistas!

Great post, FrenchieCat! Thank you! :hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

207. .

[Little Star]

28. Two Words??????? Well lookie here..

Obama didn't just borrow a line or two. By Maddiejoan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4640701

[shadowknows69]

33. Did you miss the part where Obama got permission for it?

[Little Star]

44. Does that mean he is not a copycat? Authentic? NOT

[MonkeyFunk]

65. plagiarism is not a sin because

of who you steal from.

It's a sin because you deceive your audience.

Permission has nothing to do with it - you might be thinking of copyright violations.

[grantcart]

86. What are you going to say when the MSM media comes out with

case after case of Clintons borrowing rhetoric and at the same time Obama giving previous attribution for using "just words".

[Usrename]

170. You were deceived?

That's scary.

[FrenchieCat]

37. The rest is public domain..........

IT doesn't fucking matter anyhow.......If I repeat what my mother said, I fucking can.

That's why this is a problem...for the Clintons.

And it will become more and more apparent....as the day goes by.

[ClericJohnPreston]

81. Nice to see

you are exercising the usual level of self-control Frenchie. That is very not "kewl".

[FrenchieCat]

82. Thanks!

I try! :hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

173. Now, Clinton supporters expect originality?

:rofl:

Really?

:rofl:

They expect originality from their candidate?

:rofl:

Oh, please, someone pass me the oxygen. Hillary is only slightly less scripted than Liddy Dole.

- Dave

[Iggo]

29. Aw, does someone need a hug?

:hug:

Ther ya go. No charge!

[CorpGovActivist]

196. Charge interest...

... any Clinton supporter is gonna need those back, with interest. We'll have a special kissing booth at the convention, just for ya'll.

- Dave

[demokatgurrl]

32. Sorry for the stupid question- what was "the faint"? n/t

[Omega3]

40. the MSM is showing Bill talking to the Obama supporter with him highlighted in a circle like some

crime film , just like in SC the MSM is in BHO's corner

[grantcart]

89. yeah 8 more years 8 more year 8 more years . .

BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTON

BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTON

BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTON

BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTONBUSH/CLINTON/BUSH/CLINTON

Does anybody really think that America is going to keep this merry go round up?

[CorpGovActivist]

115. ...one who suborned perjury?

[PretzelWarrior]

41. great points. it's like Obama's paying them to suck

so bad at attacking him. It's just making them look small and petty and affording him the opportunity to look and act more presidential.

[FrenchieCat]

46. The Clintons get about 2 hours of glory and 3 weeks worth of Blowback......

Small and petty is correct.

[Divernan]

188. And yet again, the subliminal reference to Monica

nt

[Martin Eden]

45. The Democratic candidates are just toughening-up each other for the general election.

This bruising battle in the primary campaign is making the eventual winner all the more conditioned and prepared to do battle with the forces of rethug swift-boaters who will throw every dirty trick and falsehood at our candidate in the general election. Don't think for one second the Dems are digging up anything against each other that the rethugs wouldn't dig up. By attacking each other Hillary and Barack have already exposed themeselves and built up some immunity to the poisonous spin that will be hurled with more ferocity as November draws near.

So you see, Hillary and Barack are smart Democratic operatives cooperating to make the winner much stronger against McCain. Anyway, that's how I'm spinning this. Neither of their campaigns are stupid enough to hurt the chances of the Democratic nominee in the general election, right?

[Perry Logan]

47. It's blowback indeed, Obamites.

[Major Hogwash]

51. Last week we were "cultists", enamored by a "rock star", now we're just foolish "rich caucus goers".

Christ - tell Bubba to shut up - he's embarrassing himself.

And me. I voted for that asshat twice!

[Perry Logan]

53. You are not fit to lick Bill Clinton's boots.

[Skidmore]

58. No, we don't have fetishes.

Only a dyed in the wool Clinton acolyte would want to do that.

[grantcart]

91. Yeah that is what Dick Morris is for

[TwilightGardener]

60. You really shouldn't bring up "licking" in any context with Big Dawg.

[grantcart]

76. lol by the way every time they show Big Dawg taking on somebody

you can feel another 5,000 people saying to themselves, shit I don't want this for 8 years.

[Major Hogwash]

75. I have higher standards than that Perry.

Believe me, I'll keep my tongue off of Clinton's boots - he can't even shine mine.
Maybe after he learns what the USMC really stands for - but not in this lifetime, bud.

[tabasco]

110. Clinton never wore boots.

The Major did.

[Divernan]

187. Again with the Monica innuendo?!?!?!

When will the Clinton true-believers figure out they should never use the words, "blow", "suck" or "lick"?

In response to my post: (1) indignant flames and (2) Urgent memo to the circle of Clinton posters telling them not to use those words.

[CorpGovActivist]

204. Vinod Gupta and the Clintons' financial dealings with him.

[democrat_nanny]

231. Is this a "complete the sentence" game?

Cool!

"Vinod Gupta and the Clintons' financial dealings with him..."

"...have been hashed and rehashed just like Travelgate, Monicagate, and every other Clintongate Richard Mellon Scaiff ever dreamed of"

[CorpGovActivist]

244. Welcome to DU.

Now, go tell the voters in Ohio and Texas all about this. It's news to them.

- Dave

[DEMocracity]

57. AMEN !!!

[Carolina]

63. K&R!

[backscatter712]

67. Time for some popcorn.

Yeah, Clinton's gonna have to deal with some real blowback from her campaign's latest smears.

I suppose we'll find out exactly how much it bites her in the ass when we see the results from Wisconsin and Hawaii...

[CorpGovActivist]

123. Wait for the press swarm this coming Sunday...

... just in time to set her on her heels for OH and TX.

- Dave

[intotheforest689]

71. A vote for Hillary = A vote for McCain

When this whole primary started i was happy to see Clinton on the ticket, however that quickly changed.

Her politics's of smear, and negativity have turned me off completely. I am supporting Obama tomorrow at the Wisconsin primary, all i know is that if Clinton wins this thing i will not support her because of how she treated Obama. And i think alot of people fell the same way i do.

[TwilightGardener]

74. Hi, and welcome!

[CorpGovActivist]

166. .

[Laurab]

240. Same here, except that

IF she were to win the primary fair and square, without seating the delegates from Florida and Mich, and without arm-twisting superdelegates, I would very reluctantly vote for her. If, on the other hand, she wins by basically stealing it, I won't be voting in this election - it's important for me to have a dem in the WH, but if she steals the nomination from the one who really won, I give up on the process.

[PretzelWarrior]

78. K&R!!!! way to go!

[RiverStone]

79. The question is how much self inflicted damage...

...will she do to herself before dropping out.

She would be a great leader in the Senate - unless her scorched earth policy regarding Obama leaves everyone with a bad taste in their mouth.

[LisaL]

83. You Obama supporters make me laugh.

Do you think McCain will play all nicely nice if Obama were to get the nomination?
You ain't seen nothing yet.

[FrenchieCat]

85. I'm starting to think that McCain may have more dignity than Hillary does.....

and that's saying not much.

[Name removed]

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[intotheforest689]

131. I agree

McCain is defiantly the better of the two between the two, if it comes down to Billary or McCain i think the majority of the country will pick McCain.
I have never voted for a republican before, but if Hillary cheats and wins this some how (highly doubtful that she can win) i will gladly support a republican over Hillary.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

180. Welcome to DU.

[PretzelWarrior]

88. maybe McCain will be better at it than Clintons

nope. he won't either. Great players have a tendency to make the opponents look stupid with their grace and fluidity.

[backscatter712]

101. We can thank the Clinton campaign...

for giving Obama plenty of practice fighting Rovian tactics.

[CoffeeCat]

139. duplicate

[CoffeeCat]

140. McCain doesn't even use Rovian tactics...

...he's a pretty straight up guy.

HE'll attack Obama, but on substantive issues. Which is more than we
can say for Hillary and her vacuous buffet of dirty tricks, manipulations
and attempted Swiftboatting. Hillary is the Golden Corral of political
attack campaigns.

She must emulate Rove, because she sure appears to follow his playbook.

I'm so glad this nightmare is almost over.

[Laurab]

241. Aren't you aware that McCain is from

the OPPOSITION party? Of course he's not going to play nice. Hillary has gone above and beyond what an opposition party member would do. Nice that it makes you laugh, but it won't be so funny if McCain wins the general because Hillary wins the primary by using dirty tricks, and if she does, she WILL lose the election.

It's frigging hysterical.

[Name removed]

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[FrenchieCat]

92. Nothing more to lose, hey?

Not even any dignity left, hey?

[ronnykmarshall]

94. If you represent dignity ... then Obama is fucked.

[FrenchieCat]

96. Like I said, Blowback will be a bitch.........its just a matter of time

[intotheforest689]

133. Who is that man in that picture?

Dont you just love Hillary's mullet?

[Divine Discontent]

211. my oh my, if that isn't the truth and nothing but the truth! ha

I'm really not too much on either side, I'll vote either, but I prefer Obama, but man, some of his supporters reminds me of Jonestown!

[ileus]

95. He's starting to win this Hillary fan over.

[CorpGovActivist]

116. Like the shape of your Commonwealth!

:hi:

[goldcanyonaz]

99. Staged occurrences? Like the fainter's at all the Obama revivals?

[FrenchieCat]

107. 5 faints with about 300,000 folks if not more coming to see him,

that's pretty damn good.

Be careful on that one.....I've already seen the footage of 5 faints at HIllary rallies....and we know her's have been way, way smaller.

[QC]

138. They're not fainting!

They're gettin' slain in the Spirit!

Glory!

[workinclasszero]

117. This is all out war

brought on by Hillary and her lackeys, Bill included.

When this election is over the Clinton's will be a national disgrace IMO. They are snakes in the grass using right wing Republican talking points to try and destroy Obama.

They ought to be drummed out of the party when its over!

[CorpGovActivist]

119. I just hope the boos and hisses at the future conventions are loud enough...

... for Bill, the aging political has-been, to hear.

- Dave

[riskpeace]

118. Sad for you

and your movement

[grantcart]

120. no my friend sad is the IWR resolution the 100,000+ dead

the 2 million refugees and not being able to say it was wrong and a mistake in simple language.

That vote and all her other votes were made with the simple calculation that she would be able to run against a Republican and protect her right flank. Triangulation of death.

Others made the mistake and were honest about it.

Sad is the fact that while some risk a lot for peace some never risk anything. Lots of people who didn't have a comfortable Senate seat risked for peace.

We have witnessed a totally unnecessary Hiroshima in slow motion and that is sad. Politicians who tried to profit from it need to be contained and not promoted.

Welcome to DU

[CorpGovActivist]

122. A-friggin-men! She is WEAK for not finding the voice that knows how to apologize. n/t

[nolabels]

189. Just like * , she or her surrogates will never even think they did.......

One thing i have noticed about people who think they are entitled is that they have little introspection. They have little empathy for others so they tend to use others in liaisons to patch up personal relationships with others (in other words, if you really knew them you would be able to see the smallness). It's not really a conscious thing they do, it's kind of more like they were mostly born that way :shrug:

[think4yourself]

225. Wow!

That is right on! Thank you!

[DemGa]

121. Blowback will be comeuppance for Obama

Co-opting and validating the right-wing attacks on Hillary Clinton.

Perhaps discovery that Obama is in fact a fraud who copied an entire campaign -- affect, speech, message, chants, will be that reward.

[grantcart]

124. is this a parody or for real?

[DemGa]

125. Be more specific if you want a response n/t

[grantcart]

132. Ok lets try this once more

When you are saying

quote
perhaps discovery that Obama is in fact a fraud who copied an entire campaign -- affect, speech, message, chants, will be that reward
unquote

are you presenting this as your own personal beliefs or are you parodying the uninformed folks who are not aware that Obama has made attribution to the "just words?" to his friend earlier? And exactly what presidential candidate did he copy his uniquely successful campaign. Are you going to argue that he copied things like "clapping of hands" and "making of signs" and things so uniquely individual like "Go _________ Go". Please tell me that you were parodying this puerile line of thinking and not actually promoting after it has been so thoroughly debunked all day.

[FrenchieCat]

126. The only fraud is the one about trying to get us to vote for a female candidate....

when it is her husband who will be running the show.

[Renew Deal]

129. Blowback has begun

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4653117&mesg_id=4653117

[CorpGovActivist]

169. No doubt about it.

I had to find the passwords for the failsafes on my digital data vaults, but they're wide open on the Clintons now.

- Dave

[JCMach1]

172. His plagiarism of Deval Patrick is more extensive than that... hope the graphic helps you sort it

[CorpGovActivist]

174. The Boston Globe just got cut off from the Clinton donor lists story.

They can eat scraps for that.

- Dave

[JCMach1]

175. the MSM has their own motives, but that doesn't make it less true

Please note, I have always said make of the report what you will.

It is, however, real and significant... particularly because the MSM loves the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

[CorpGovActivist]

177. They can pick up the Clinton donor story off their newswire subscriptions...

... and that's after a long, long relationship with the Boston Globe that goes back many years.

That's not reporting. It's pandering and dog whistling.

- Dave

[JCMach1]

181. and when has the MSM ever been fair?

this just signifies the free-ride is over for Obama...

[CorpGovActivist]

205. Well, the MSM can be brought to heel...

... especially when they're cut out of the loop on a very big story, and have to suck it up and run the newswire, when they could've been in the vanguard of reporting it.

- Dave

[JCMach1]

212. We can all have hopes and dreams...

But, truth be told, the swiftboats are lining up for Obama while I write this...

[CorpGovActivist]

213. Launched by whom? The face that launched a thousand swiftboats?

[Cheeseburger Walrus]

254. It's all just...

terribly boring. If you start to demand accountability for rhetorical ejaculation, regardless of which politician is espousing what, you will find an incestuous barrel of writhing snakes on the back of democracy.

[oasis]

179. "Voters aren't stupid".

Got a link to back up that assertion?

[polichick]

190. Just makes the Clinton camp seem desperate...

Too bad they didn't just focus on Hillary and her vision.

[CorpGovActivist]

206. .

[Dinger]

192. I Miss Wes Clark

I just do.

[tripitaka]

217. really? wes's "let's attack russia" episode scares me

[CorpGovActivist]

194. FrenchieCat - word to the wise Obama supporter: know Vinod Gupta by Sunday...

... as MSM in Ohio and Texas are getting to know all about him and his dealings with the Clintons.

You'll want to be in the know on him.

; )

- Dave

[democrat_nanny]

224. Scooped

Since you're so well versed about all the candidates and their dealings with unsavory characters, why don't you tell us all a little about convicted felon (and wife of Congresswoman Jan Shakowsky) Robert Creamer and his dealings with Obama.



Regarding Vinod Gupta, it looks like you've been "scooped" (you're familiar with that term, right?) by the New York Times. But don't worry, you only missed it by a year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/26/us/politics/26clinton.html

[RandomKoolzip]

195. I really don't get it.

I'm supporting Obama. He's my preferred candidiate. I really don't get, though, the reflexive "the other candidate SUCKS!/we will get REVENGE" mindest common to DU. WHy do we have to put everything in a binary? Just because you like A doesn't mean you automatically have to hate B.

On this thread, I've seen DUers write things suggesting that Hillary CLinton has no conscience, that Clinton supporters are stupid and evil, and other over-the-top insults. I really don't underrstand why that's necessary. On anti-Obama threads, I've seen invective that's just as ugly-spirited about MY preferred candidate. I don't see the need for it.

And don't give me that "But...but they started it!" bullshit, because that's not a valid argument.

I wish we'd all stop poisoning the political process. Enthusiasm FOR someone doesn't have to translate into vile hatred AGAINST someone else.

[redqueen]

208. Wish I could recommend posts...

cause this one sure deserves it.

:thumbsup:

[russian33]

202. staged various "occurrences" like the "Iron my shirt"

sad...another Obama fan going on ignore...logical, intelligent Obama supporters i can deal with, crazy wacked out lunatics...ignore

[cliffordu]

209. Hey, I'm new here, but...

Do I HAVE to pick a candidate to get my ass kicked over, or can we just start the abuse right now????

:hide:

[tripitaka]

216. i was done forever with HRC when kerrey opened his mouth

This, I don't care about, not at all.

I'm amazed at the folks who see it as the "last straw" tho. What, the Kerrey and Shaheen things were ok? The open race baiting was ok?

It's this absurdity, amounting to nothing more than HRC humiliating herself further, that's what makes some of you flip your wig?

I wasn't a HRC hater until she made it impossible for me to have any other feeling for her. I was all set to vote for her once I realized Edwards had no chance.

I just pray Obama doesn't go negative/smartalecky on McCain, and that McCain will have enough decency to condemn the smears that will be flung at Obama.

If the McCain-Obama race turns into a GE version of HRC v Obama I just won't vote. Judging by the advice I see about how Obama should handle the GE, I think a lot of ppl on the left are on the "win at all costs" mentality that ruined Movement Conservatism. If you really want change, I pray you guys will be the enforcers that get Obama to really be a new kind of candidate in the GE. He should be able to win easily on the economy, the war, and Bush.

If he goes "McCain is not fit to be president because he once condemned Falwell but took it back," if he goes that route, man am I going to be disappointed. I'll be even more disappointed if McCain does something similar.

[nolabels]

223. I am no fan of McCain but i am quite sure he will not resort to the divisive but........

am quite sure his surrogates will. You see it with HRC, it will definitely surface with McCain. It will probably even be much more ugly. To paraphrase "If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen" as Harry would say.


Harry we loved ya, and especially that part with the after the fact

(snip)
On the campaign trail, Truman would encounter voices from the crowd shouting, "Give ‘em hell, Harry." The president would respond, "I don't give them hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's hell."

This is Harry Reid's old-fashioned politics. The country desperately needs it.
(snip)
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=190309

[tripitaka]

232. mccain must condemn external sleaze to get my vote

[From The Left]

219. HRC: Pathetic, Ruthless, Calculating, Petty, Critical and So Yesterday

Time to turn the page and move on from the Bush/Clinton monarchy!

Go, Obama, Go!

[Danieljay]

221. As of yesterday I took back my pledge to vote for Hillary if she won the nomination.

Hell, I've made it under Bush for 8 years McCain can't be all bad. Besides, theres a better than not chance he'd beat her in the general anyway.

[Barrymores Ghost]

228. No...I don't believe that's an option....

...I doubt if it will come to this, and I'll pray to every god I can think of for it not to...but in the end, pinch your nose, close your eyes, and pull.

[Barrymores Ghost]

226. Thread of the Week, and we're just getting started...K&R!! n/t

[Deep13]

227. So why do you feel it necessary to write "BITCH" when talking about HC?

And in capital letters too. Granted you did not explicitly state she is one, but the implication is pretty obvious.

And O did use Gov. Patrick's words without attributing them. It isn't plagerism per say, but he did pass it off as his own words.

[grantcart]

236. She wrote that blowback is a bitch no Hillary save your faux outrage

for something that is atleast theoretically connected to your candidate.

[Deep13]

239. Punctuation is our friend.

I'm not outraged by that. Nevertheless, if you can't see the implication after I have pointed out the obvious, then I guess that pretty much ends the discussion.

[grantcart]

245. What is obvious is that the Clinton campaign has reached a stage

of such desperation that it is seeking the thinnest possible excuse to upset the apple cart and expect that this somehow will create a demand that Americans will sign up for another 8 years of Clintonian parsing and triangulation. It is pathetic and predictable

From now until March 4th when this sorry campaign will be put out of its misery we expect a constant flow of negative attacks on the flimsiest of excuses. The campaign has given up any pretence of trying to leading the party to victory, they know it is impossible. They and you join them in it know that there only possibility is to chop block Obama down. Only one problem with that we will not be swiftboated - and Blowback is a Bitch.

Stage I When you do not have the best position on the war - prevaricate

Stage II When you do not have the clear voice of leadership - triangulate

Stage III When you do not have the momentum - trivialize the election just lost

Stage IV When you do not have anywhere to go - instigate a smear on the supporters as unthinking cultists

Stage V When the supporters embrace the slur and turn it around - start backing up the dump truck and release a load
against the leader who has sparked a fire across the country.

Stage VI When this desperate tactic is reviled - step aside as the great locomotive of history barrels by you and you turn to watch history pass you by.

[ginnyinWI]

230. Remember Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner?

The more he tried to catch the Roadrunner, the more he blew himself up! It's kinda like that.

[happygoluckytoyou]

234. PLEASE DEMOCRATS... UNITE BEHIND THE WINNER

[robbedvoter]

235. What a thread you pick for such a message!

[Danieljay]

237. Democrats will unite behind a leader that acts like one, and she AND her cronies aren't. n/t

[GarbagemanLB]

238. Exactly. I was on the fence about voting for her in a General Election until yesterday. Fuck her.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

243. Awwwww, I Think You Need A Hug.

:hug:

There there, it'll allllll be ok.

[rcsl1998]

246. Blowback Is Very Possible...

...but who will be on the receiving end? Clinton supporters were tone deaf in the early stages of the campaign - Obama supporters have become equally tone deaf - Both sides preaching to the choir while the congregation is leaving the church...

[pingzing58]

248. I'll say it once again: you're not a frenchie cat you're just a "stupid" cat.

[mdmc]

250. watch your knees Obama

They get ugly

[FrenchieCat]

251. Please watch results from Wisconsin as they come in.......

and watch for Blowback. Cause it may be big-Ass bitch! :hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

253. Watching live, MSNBC, you, FrenchieCat?

:hi:

:popcorn:

Watch for breaking news in OH, RI, TX, and VT before March 4, too.

- Dave

[FrenchieCat]

258. Watched.........was sweet!

I'm usually correct on what I say....or I don't say it.

Blowback really is a bitch. Ask the Clinton campaign. They'll tell you. :hi:

[CorpGovActivist]

259. Watch the news cycle in OH, RI, TX, and VT carefully on March 2nd...

... unless she figures it out and gets out, I suspect the coup de grace will have to be delivered - the hard way. Two days before that Tuesday.

:hi:

- Dave

[Renew Deal]

256. Blowback was a bitch indeed. Who attacked "unfairly?" Hillary 54%

:bounce:

[CorpGovActivist]

257. But Mark Penn is still her guy. Boy wonder. Genius. Wunderkind.

:bounce: :bounce: <----- may I bounce beside you?

[Arugula Latte]

260. Wow. It looks like more than 15 percentage points of blowback is coming HRC's way!

Well-deserved payback, indeed! :toast: