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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:20 PM
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RNC donor event outlines Obama attack plan
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 07:22 PM by RamboLiberal
Focusing on Barack Obama’s “inexperience” and “undisciplined messaging” are two ways to ensure that the senator from Illinois doesn’t get to be president, according to honchos at the Republican National Committee. Big RNC contributors got an earful this weekend about methods the GOP will use to battle the Democrats for control of the White House this fall, as well as other initiatives central to the conservative cause.

The RNC’s “winter retreat” for major donors at Los Angeles’ Beverly Wilshire Hotel featured such party stalwarts as Karl Rove, RNC chairman Robert Duncan, former Texas Secretary of State Roger Williams, as well as some Hollywood types, including Dave Berg, a segment producer and “political director” for "The Tonight Show" with Jay Leno.

But chief among the RNC’s concerns were how to keep a tight grip on the White House this fall. Plenty of lowbrow Hillary Rodham Clinton jokes were tossed around at the three-day event, but of highest concern was the notion of Obama seizing the Oval Office in a contest against presumptive GOP nominee John McCain.

“We all dislike Hillary,” declared Southern California Rep. Ken Calvert, from the Inland Empire east of Los Angeles, echoing thoughts of the roughly 75 attendees at a Sunday morning RNC session.

“Forgetting who will be the easiest to beat, I've got to tell you, a President Hillary doesn’t scare me nearly as much as a President Obama.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8564.html

NBC should be answering why a Tonight show producer is at an RNC meeting!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:23 PM
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1. They don't have anything concrete on Obama and it scares them.
Obama will use this to his advantage; he won't allow them to pigeonhole him; Obama's greatest feat has been to hide how liberal he really is. What do they think Obama will do to McCain? He said today he was ready to carry on Bush's third term, lol. :rofl:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:25 PM
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3. They have him having no experience, kind of a big deal post-9/11
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:26 PM
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4. Have you become a Republican now, echoing their talking points?
They are the only ones who think it's a big deal; us Democrats with brains do not.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:28 PM
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5. No, I am not a cultist and understand politics
Anyone who thinks a candidate having no experience isn't a major political liability is whistling past the graveyard. Obama is unlikely to win because of this issue.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:36 PM
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7. ...or, he'll turn it into a strength...
which he's long over due to make points of how the "experience" bunch has screwed the nation and the world the past few decades...

Duke
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:40 PM
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8. That isn't a serious argument
First, everyone outside of the blogosphere knows every administration is staffed by experienced people. You could as easily cite FDR or Lincoln's administrations as an example of the value of experience. Second, Bush is the best example of why we need an experienced president. If only he had foreign policy experience...

Would McDonald's hire someone as a manager with no experience?
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:54 PM
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14. disagree: incredibly appropriate argument
when the experience argument is code-word for orthodox or "inside the Beltway"--the "dog whistle" language HRC the RNC will use doesn't scare me.

Also, we all know that experienced staff populate the inner workings of all modern presidencies. I think the experience that O will expound is real-world instead of realpolitik.

This is what annoys certain candidates.

And yes: McDs hires managers with little fast food experience every day.

Duke
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 09:04 PM
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16. Bush has experience now, 8 years of it
two wars, national disasters, 9/11.

AND HE IS STILL AN IDIOT!

Experience does not develop into wisdom.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:34 PM
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6. yes...since the experience of the current crew...
...served us so well and all :sarcasm:

Duke
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:41 PM
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9. It worked with the experienced crews Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Roosevelt,
JFK, LBJ, and Clinton had.

How much experience did Bush have relative to every other president?
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:48 PM
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11. you're making my point for me, I think...
many of these, especially Washington and Lincoln, were roundly attacked as outsiders and inexperienced.

Or is it the "inside baseball" experience you feel is necessary for POTUS to have?

Duke
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:52 PM
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13. That isn't true
Every other president who has been elected had either experience or an extraordinary accomplishment (i.e. commanding the revolutionary army or winning WW2) on his resume. Obama has one speech and a bill renaming a post office on his.

It isn't about me but voters. There is a reason they consistently prefer candidates with experience or achievements. After the train wreck that is Bush 43, voters will want competence.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:56 PM
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15. we get to the meat of the argument then...
...are competence and experience synonymous? Can they exist separately?

Duke
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:49 PM
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12. So what "concrete" smears were employed against Gore & Kerry?
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:24 PM
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2. They should fear him. He talkes the way fundies do, cadance
and all. He'll steal all those values voters.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 07:45 PM
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10. The way NBC has handled Demo. debates. Why ask the question.
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 07:46 PM by cyclezealot
Now we know why and how Jay Leno got Arni selected governator. Its beginning to look like the Democracts will have the White HOuse snatched away again. Between hidden racism and Obama's naivety November will likely be a disaster. I fear this will be like a lamb going off to slaughter.
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