Hillary assumes no one listened to or remembered Deval's speech; Barack assumes we did

[DesEtoiles]

and would obviously get the reference.

[DemGa]

1. The reference? He copied the whole campaign

Same chants, same affect, same message -- it's freaking bizarre.

Obama supporters have been hoaxed.

[DesEtoiles]

3. Next you'll tell me Barack is not allowed to use the word "THE"! Do you have any idea

how desperate and stupid your argument is?

[DemGa]

9. .......

Not desperate -- just the truth. You've been hoaxed.

http://www.devalpatrick.tv/

[MADem]

16. Jesus. I worked for his campaign, and voted for Deval.

I brought a shitload of voters to the polls.

No wonder it all sounded fake the SECOND time I heard it--it was all COPIED!!!

Here's Deval at the RALLY FOR CHANGE (there's that change word) on the Common. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhQtoVe-lh8

[MADem]

5. I have to agree. But the funny thing is, it came off as more authentic

with Deval. It just seemed more real.

And he's not supposed to be a terribly good speaker. Maybe it's because he wasn't so polished, so smooth, that it resonated better. Not just the speech, the whole campaign.

[Garbo 2004]

10. Actually Patrick "copied" from Obama's 2004 Senate campaign.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope?mode=PF

[DesEtoiles]

15. D'oh! Hillary wants Barack to roll around in the mud with her and cloud the issue

when he in fact has done nothing wrong.

This is politics at its worst.

[MADem]

17. Ah, so Obama "borrows" as does Patrick, but Biden plagiarizes?

I'm starting to get a bit confused...!

[pocoloco]

19. Here is a "he said she said"

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1492

[Blue_State_Elitist]

20. It is becoming increasingly clear that the whole thing is canned.

[DesEtoiles]

22. That is one of the stupider things I've seen posted at DU.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

26. Thanks!

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. I guess you knew all about these too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSVsUvqb_Q&feature=related


"Hope & Change".

[DesEtoiles]

8. oh, right, no politician has EVER used the word "change"! Are you guys nuts???

[The_Casual_Observer]

13. Oh, & by the way your excuse for obama was absurd.

[DesEtoiles]

23. Hillary has no dignity left, and obviously doesn't care.

[The_Casual_Observer]

24. Obama said it, not Hillary.

Deval Obama.

[DesEtoiles]

27. Hillary is the cry baby.

[The_Casual_Observer]

28. Obama looked like he'd been cold-cocked by the Deval thing.

[NYCGirl]

29. Maybe he couldn't believe Hillary's campaign could be that fucking stupid.

It's boomeranging back on them big time.

[The_Casual_Observer]

30. "Hope & Change!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSVsUvqb_Q&feature=related

[NYCGirl]

31. Fired Up and Ready to Go!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rweVOO-fhug

[DesEtoiles]

32. Barack stole "Fire" from Beavis!! OMG!

[napi21]

4. Sorry, but I never heard of Deval before today.

I probably would have been familiar with his speeches is I lived in the State where he is Gov. but I don't. Not even close. I can honestly tell you I don't think I've ever heard any speeches made by candidates running for Gov. of any state other than the one I live in.

[DesEtoiles]

6. Obviously, Hillary does not mind insulting him to score cheap political points.

[MADem]

11. Obviously? Do tell us how Clinton insulted Gov. Patrick! It's not obvious to me. NT

[DesEtoiles]

14. that no one listened to or remembered a speech he made in public to a massive crowd!!!

I mean, come on- there is no subterfuge here - how could there be when that prior speech was SO PUBLIC!!!!!!

[MADem]

18. I remembered it. I have to say, I didn't realize it at first, I just knew I'd heard it before.

I still say Deval did a better job.

[MADem]

7. He's one of Obama's best friends, a former Bill Clinton protege, and

my governor. I helped out on his campaign a bit.

[Marie26]

12. Don't forget "Yes We Can"

He assumed most people knew about Deval Patrick's local Mass. camapaign? Even down to the slogans & rhetoric? How many people here knew that much about Patrick's campaign - at a site for political junkies? No, Axelrod came up with the themes & slogans of the Patrick campaign & then reused those same slogans for the Obama campaign. Obama has been an Axelrod production from the beginning. That's what really bothered me. People are falling for something that they think is authentic, when really it's just more fake marketing & slogans. It's like we can't even tell the difference anymore.


Obama using parts of Deval Patrick's campaign

(AP) - January 13, 2008 11:00 AM

BOSTON (AP) — Barack Obama told a New Hampshire audience he was borrowing a line from friend Deval Patrick, urging people to "vote your aspirations." He joked that Patrick "stole a whole bunch of lines from me" during his gubernatorial campaign.

Their campaign playbooks have simple yet striking similarities: Tell a compelling story about yourself and inspire people who feel left out to take back their government. Stay on a message of hope and unity. ... Obama strategist David Axelrod, who helped Obama win his U.S. Senate seat in 2004, was a media consultant for Patrick's 2006 campaign.

Steve Grossman, past chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said Axelrod was "quite prescient" in recognizing voter frustration with the status quo, and crafting messages about change. Axelrod did not return calls to comment, but told The New York Times magazine in April that the model for the Obama presidential run was the Patrick campaign.

http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/NEWS/801130371/-1/rss01

[mkultra]

21. obama and deval are close friends

they have both said they have very close views on the world and what needs to be done. Thus they sound alike. No suprise and no problem for reasonable people. In contrast, Hillary sounds like a liar so she is plagiarizing Bush.

[Eric J in MN]

25. I've defended Obama about this, but I wouldn't have known the paragraph...

...was from a Deval Patrick speech if no one had pointed it out.

It's not like Patrick's speeches are all nationally famous.