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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:26 AM
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Has Obama's aura of invincibility been damaged today?
After all, he was the original. Has he been damaged by the admission that his words were used before by another politician? Will it hurt him that he has been exposed as a mere mortal? A human being just like the rest of us? Yes, he can make mistakes. He is not perfect. Will this hurt him in the election tomorrow? Will the effects of the attacks carry over thru the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4th? Now, will every word that he mutters be weighed as if they were stolen from someone else? How much damage, if any, has Barack Obama suffered today? Just how effective have these attacks been? Is it time to take whatever hope people may have put into this promising Senator and bury them six feet under and return to the way we were?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:27 AM
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1. Nope.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:11 AM
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61. I agree. I think the attacks on Obama are a sign that he is the nominee. the attacks have started
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:27 AM
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2. Nope.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:28 AM
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3. Nope.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:28 AM
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4. Nope.
You're in dreamland.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:28 AM
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5. Nope.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:29 AM
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6. Robots on display.
:puke:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:29 AM
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7. Nope.
How cultie we all sound. I like that.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:29 AM
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8. No. No. No. No. No. No. None. Not at all. No.
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM by Kristi1696
I think that just about covers your questions.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:29 AM
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9. He would have
had he not credited Patrick in that past, and if Patrick said they shared and discussed words all the time and Patrick hadn't given him carte blanc to do so, it might have hurt him a twinge.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM
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10. "air of invincibility" is what got Hillary in trouble.... Obama won't fall for that....
...he knows it is ALWAYS a tough battle.

He won't underestimate Hillary the same way that she underestimated him.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM
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11. Not even close, Hillary will be called out on this as a lier and a fraud
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM
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12. Nope
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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM
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13. It was a good smear
I do not mean that in a complimentary way. Just matter of fact.

It was a shot at his strong suit (much like the Swiftboats were a shot at Kerry's service). Don't know if it will stick but it is where you hit your opponent if you are going negative and accept the consequences. You hit them where they are strong.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM
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14. No. n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:30 AM
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15. Obama is synthetic. He used that little smarmy piece of shit soliloquy
& got caught at it.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:31 AM
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16. Nope.
Hillary has proven, once again, a lack of understanding of winning elections, which is why she is losing so much.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:31 AM
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No. The only aura that was confrmed was that of the Hypocrites, aka, the Clinton camp....
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:31 AM
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17. No
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:31 AM
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18. I thought he was very cool and collected responding to the dustup ...
and that's basically all this is - a dustup which will soon be forgotten.

But some politicians would have been thrown off their game, and seemed very worked up or defensive.

In his comments, Obama was relaxed and cool, while at the same time admitting that he could have handled it better- he wasn't flippant about the whole thing.

I was impressed to see him handle it so well under pressure.
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Buve Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:31 AM
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19. maybe

But the cultists on here won't admit it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:01 AM
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30. Do want a cracker?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:37 AM
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20. I just thought it might be interesting to see what you were thinking...
about this issue, and whether or not it has harmed Obama's credibility?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:40 AM
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21. Nope.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:43 AM
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22. no
He stayed cool, dignified....presidential.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:45 AM
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23. Well he isn't invincible
Don't forget it. Hillary wasn't inevitable either. Media bullshit.

I'm casting it for Hillary. Period. No more pied piper ripped off speeches for this Democrat.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 12:55 AM
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24. I really doubt it, people connect with him, link...
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 12:56 AM by cooolandrew
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:20 AM
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25. Nope.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:56 AM
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26. YES! YES! A thousand times YES!
too much negativity in this thread - what happened to that Si Se Puede attitude?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:57 AM
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27. Nah.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 01:57 AM
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28. no. in fact, this makes it appear stronger
especially when all they'll be talking about tomorrow night are Obama victories
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:00 AM
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29. How about ..has hilary's credibility
been damaged some more with her obvious, desperate smear attempts? That's more to the point.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:25 AM
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42. That's a good point, zidzi.
If Hillary loses Wisconsin, I think a lot of people will say this negative attack backfired on her?
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:04 AM
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31. He never had an aura of invincibility. And his politics are far from original.
His views are down the line with those of conventional liberal Democratic politicans past or present. His political views are identical to Mondale, Kerry and Dukakis. The only difference is his racial background and the media having annoited him as the second coming of JFK for the 21st century.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:30 AM
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32. nah.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:31 AM
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33. Yep.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 02:32 AM
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34. Nah.
n/t
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:44 AM
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35. Not at all.
If anything, it just shows he is human and not a messiah -- and no one ever said he was perfect -- except the nay-sayers. He and his friend Deval (sp) have cleared it up enough for me.

Will be forgotten before the day is over and will have no bearing on today's primaries nor the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4.

The attacks were not effective, it just made the other camp look bad IMO.


Peace:thumbsup:
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:47 AM
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36. Nope/.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:49 AM
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37. Not even a little bit.
But Clinton's has. This is very, very schoolyard of her.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:50 AM
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38. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
He will do fine.
And Michelle will make a great first lady
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:53 AM
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39. I have a dream.
Oops, I'm now "weak" because I used somebody else's words, words which I blatantly stole. While hitting babies and hating america.

To the stocks with me, stat!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:25 AM
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40. Nope.
Let's see, presidents day, basically a holiday.. don't think so.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:28 AM
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41. I see a river in Egypt.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:25 AM
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44. And in that river, Hillary still has a shot to win the nomination.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:25 AM
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43. Nope.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:27 AM
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45. His self proclaimed "aura of invincibility" never existed outside the Fairy Tale.
No candidate is invincible.

No, not even you, Barack.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:30 AM
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46. One can only hope.
Ya know Bush was invincible for the longest time.It took years before anyone realized the horrific truth about just how unqualified he was...Let us all hope and pray that the truth comes out about Barack before The Democratic Party makes the same mistake the Republicans made in 2000.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:36 AM
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47. No.
It's a non-issue.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:40 AM
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48. I have never considered Obama...
to have an aura of invincibility. I am astonished that he is where he is. If people are swayed by accusations of plagiarism by the Clinton campaign then they are. But if that happens, I would assume such people were not all too keen on the guy from the get go.
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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:42 AM
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49. How could it be damaged if he never had it. It's amazing he is doing so well against the incumbent
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:43 AM
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50. Obama never was and never will be invincible
he was and remains a formidable candidate with many talents that will serve us well in the general election.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:48 AM
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51. the 'words that the other politican' used were also words of other
politicians- Much ado about nothing-

Some felt Hillary had the nom locked up long before any votes were cast- You suggest that Obama was 'invincible'-

The candidates are, when you come right down to it- mere mortals, human beings who sweat, curse, fart, smell, eat, drink, puke, bleed, etc. just like you and me.

To regard them otherwise, is foolishness- and unfair not only to them, but to yourself.

Something we'd all do well to keep in mind- IMO

peace~

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:52 AM
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52. No.
You have any other stupid questions?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 10:54 AM
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53. No, but Hillary's has
She has proven she will say and do anything to get what she wants.

I can see why the media doesn't like it.

I will enjoy seeing her campaign fall apart. MSNBC is covering it now.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:01 AM
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54. My take ... Yes not significantly damaged but doubt has been cast
The reason I say this is that it has been debated all over the morning talk shows. It really doesn't matter what the final conclusions are. Most folks half listen and hear the doubt being cast. I think the Clinton strategy of just to throw it out there and see what sticks worked somewhat - becuase some commentators did see it as a problem for Obama. Will it matter ? That depends... if this is the beginning of the "drip...drip.... drip..." and she has the MO to stay in the race it could mean something.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:04 AM
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55. No.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:08 AM
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56. No, because people are bored negative attacks
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:09 AM
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57. Not at all.
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:09 AM
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58. um, Obama is the perpetual underdog, he's never had an aura of invincibility nt
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:09 AM
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59. Hell NO
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:10 AM
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60. This is just ridiculous
will ever word that he mutters be weighed as if they were stolen?!

LOL, you crack me up!
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:13 AM
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62. No but Hillary is a lowdown swiftboating..
big business shill for the DLC. Shes also doing prep work for the rethug slime machine and is trying to subvert the will of the people.

I'll take Obama any day over the Clinton slime machine.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:13 AM
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63. Careful There. Kentuck
"Invincible" is just one syllable shy of "inevitable."
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 11:15 AM
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64. This will bite Hillary in the A$$
They seem to fumble every move they try to make.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:29 PM
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65. Not really, no, no,no,no, yes they will carry over, to some, little, not much, no
I am done answering questions (gets up from mic and walks out of press conference)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:35 PM
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66. *spray*
:spray:
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