Deval Patrick's Timeline Doesn't Mesh with Reality

[kennetha]

Jake Tapper stays on the case over at ABC. Maybe there's more to this budding plagiarism scandal than meets the eye.

Check it out here: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/">Deval Patrick's Timeline Doesn't Mesh with Reality

Would love to see some memo leaked from some disgruntled member of Axelrod's posse -- who seems to be the common master puppeteer, pulling both Patrick's and Obama's strings.

Drip! Drip! Drip! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

on edit: link repaired

[jillan]

1. Link doesn't work.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. try this:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. What, exactly, do you expect to find behind the curtain?

Axelrod was the mastermind who planted the bombs in building 7?

[Nedsdag]

22. I thought he was in the grassy knoll? n/t

[displacedtexan]

4. Here's a working link.

link

[Teaser]

5. no, that doesn't work either

.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. This works

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/

[Bill McBlueState]

6. wow, what a crushing blow

I guess it's curtains for Obama. :eyes:

[Adelante]

7. Drip! Drip! Drip!

Don't call yourself names that way.

[kennetha]

9. For some reason the permalink doesn't work.

But I put up the current link which will be good until a new blog entry is added.

[suston96]

10. I found it here......

http://www.blogs.abcnews.com/

Deval Patrick's Timeline Doesn't Mesh with Reality

February 19, 2008 11:42 AM

Speaking to the New York Times Sunday, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick attempted to excuse his friend Sen. Barack Obama's lifting of part of his October 2006 "Just words" speech.

“In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week," the Times' Jeff Zeleny wrote. "Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama's speechwriters.”

But Obama was quoted using Patrick's language before the Summer of 2007.

"'We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal.’ Those are just words," Obama was quoted as saying in a March 19, 2007 New Republic story. " ‘I have a dream.’ Just words.”

So....the claim that Patrick an Obama "first" discussed this last Summer does not make sense.

It should also be noted that in addition to the "Yes We Can" slogan that Obama used in 2004, Patrick used in 2006, and Obama uses today, other language from the two clients of political guru David Axelrod has come from both men's mouths.

To wit:

Patrick in June 2006, at the Massachusetts Democratic party convention: "I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations."

Obama one year later, as quoted in USA Today: "I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations."

Just words?

Very famous authors have been embarrassed if not seriously damaged for not acknowledging quotes.

[TexasObserver]

11. It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

[ShortnFiery]

12. OMFG! You are beating a dead horse. They are "TEAM MATES" ... can you understand

that it's only plagiarism, when the person CLAIMS to have been USED/OFFENDED?!?

Damn, is there anything TOO LOW for you folks? :grr: :nuke:

[MonkeyFunk]

27. Nope. That's not true

Permission isn't an absolute defense against plagiarism.

If my brother gives me permission to copy parts of term paper as my own, it's still plagiarism.

[ShortnFiery]

31. We're talking POLITICS not acadamia. This is sick stuff because if HRC is outed, she'll lose.

:thumbsdown:

[MonkeyFunk]

35. Nonetheless

your claim that permission excludes a charge of plagiarism is false.

[samdogmom]

13. Wasn't this yesterday's news? I thought this story died!

Good grief--I'm so sick of reading these posts that are just "beating a dead horse". I apologize in advance for plagiarizing that cliche.

Please stop!

[Kaylee]

14. You can show Obama used a speech word for word....

Patrick gave last week...unless Patrick shows outrage it means nothing.

[melody]

15. Yes, heaven forbid we'd take the word of the writer about his own work

This is nothing but a dead horse being beaten beyond recognition.

[Benhurst]

16. A tempest in a teapot. But it would be nice to know who is

playing Edgar Bergin to Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd.

[algol]

17. Just an observation,

but if you have a supposed "outrage", which requires a multitude of follow-up threads to explain exactly how it outrages, the word outrage simply doesn't apply.

[flordehinojos]

18. obama stands not on his own two legs ..

it takes a village to prop him up ...

from oprah, to caroline, to ted, to the plagiarizing of the words of his friend deval patrick who is now covering for obama's *ss, to the skirts of michelle obama, who should now be "given" a pass because she is no career politician... to joe scar seeing no sin in either stolen words or michelle's faux pas yesterday ...

come on, at some point the bridge has to buckle ... one has to hope it hopes before it is too late to see obama has no legs of his own on which to stand.

[JackORoses]

20. Hillary doesn't even stand. She just sits atop Bill's shoulders and commands the machine

[ShortnFiery]

34. Yeah, Master-Blaster runs Barter Town!

Starring Hillary as "Master" and husband Bill as "Blaster."

Master-Blaster runs *all* of the pig shit businesses in Barter Town. :evilgrin:

[underpants]

19. IMHO Tapper is a RW tool

Pfft.

[NoBorders]

39. Seems to get linked to a lot

Whenever there's a post on the latest 'Obama scandal' like this, seems there's always a link to this guy.

[Maven]

21. Obama's complete and utter inauthenticity finally coming to light

Looks like Axelrod's got a little formula he uses over and over again to manufacture "movement" candidates.

[kennetha]

30. Exactly

When will the pundits pick up on this. They are still missing, by a long shot, what's really being revealed here.

[Obamaniac]

23. GIVE IT UP LOSERS!

Do you honestly think this is going to derail anything? I mean you idiots are spending all this time going over Obama's words. How about some free advice, why not put that same energy into organization and getting your supporters out to vote. That way, maybe Hillary wouldn't lose every fucking election she competes in.

It's not plagerism if 1) he has the permission of the person who made the original statement, which he does; or 2) because he quoted someone quoting someone else, and used two FUCKING SIMILAR WORDS after that.

Get a grip.

[BeyondGeography]

24. And, as for the state of our nation and the world

:boring:

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

25. True story of Obama voter collapse

Enthusiastic Obama supporter: Did you hear that THE INTERNET says Obama and Deval Patrick used similar rhetoric in a stump speech?!

Enthusiastic Obama supporter 2: I did! I'm no longer inspired! Let's just not vote, and devote our lives to hard drugs.

[kennetha]

29. It's not the true believers

that will leave him. It's the "lookie-loos" who are intrigued and take a look and maybe are tempted to join up. But a negative drumbeat of any kind in the press will give them pause and make them ask themselves where the there is there. That's Obama's problem. He's definitely not going to lose his hardcore supporters. Ever!

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

32. I don't know if you noticed the dismissive way I replied to your post

But the implication was I thought it was dumb, and I don't care. Just so we're on the same page.

[question everything]

26. You know, I support Clinton but wish that her campaign did not make much of this

It appears petty and desperate.

I'd rather have the media pick on this as Tapper has. Not on borrowing the words - how many of us have often used the "we're not in Kansas anymore" - but on the confusion about such timelines.

[killbotfactory]

28. Oh noes! My dreams are crushed!

Whatever will I do? Please save us Superman!

[npincus]

33. is this the BEST the Hillary camp can do?

I care about this as much as Bill's blowjob.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. BUSTED! I read Jake's take on this yesterday and am so glad to see him sticking with it. FINALLY

the fraud is being exposed. Thanks for the post!:hi:

[Iceburg]

37. Wow -- and theres' more: "we are the ones we have been waiting for.”

Found this in the comments section of the same article:

Here is another one more from Super Tuesday.

Sen. Obama: “We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.)”

June Jordan’s “Poem for South African Women”:
“And who will join this standing up
and the ones who stood without sweet company
will sing and sing
back into the mountains and
if necessary
even under the sea:
we are the ones we have been waiting for.”

[tishaLA]

38. Maria Shriver used that line in her speech for Sen Obama

and she attributed it to a Hopi poem. Perhaps Ms Jordon didn't attribute it.