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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:06 PM
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The Clintons are just making me angrier and angrier
National Review:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjcyYmZmNjRkNjcyNWI3OTY1ODI2OWRmY2I5ODEyYmQ=5ODEyYmQ=

Top Clinton campaign officials Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson are holding another conference call with reporters now. Wolfson is pointing to a "pattern" of alleged plagiarism by Barack Obama, suggesting that reporters look at a blog entry by ABC's Jake Tapper which suggests another example of Obama lifting material from Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick. In that blog entry, Tapper points to a statement from Obama quoted in USA Today in 2007: "I am not asking anyone to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations." Tapper then quotes Patrick, speaking to the 2006 Massachusetts Democratic convention, saying, "I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I am asking you to take a chance on your own aspirations."

"We are seeing a pattern here," Wolfson told reporters a short time ago. "And here is another example of where the words match exactly."




And of course they fail to recognize that Barack did in fact credit that quote at the end of this article:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obama-scoffs-th.html

"But you know in the end, don’t vote your fears. I’m stealing this line from my buddy (Massachusetts Gov.) Deval Patrick who stole a whole bunch of lines from me when he ran for the governorship, but it’s the right one, don’t vote your fears, vote your aspirations. Vote what you believe."




They are smear mongers indeed, old Rovian mud slinging even when there is no mud there.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:08 PM
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1. First step would be to stop reading right wing garbage like National Review.
And Jack Tapper is one of the worst journalists in MSM.

In addition to his hand in this plagarism nonsense, he has at least 3 times in the last couple of weeks "misquoted" one candidate or the other.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:10 PM
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3. I hope that is indeed the case...
they claim it from a con call. they suuuuuuck.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:12 PM
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5. I'm not doubting Wolfson commenting on the story.
It was more of a word to the wise regarding framing and such.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:09 PM
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2. National Review?
I know you want to lay down a big, smelly smear against the Daughter of Darkness, but with the National Review you should really have some context.

--p!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:29 PM
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18. hahahahaha
getting harder and harder to tell who Obama's base really is. national review indeed
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:42 PM
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27. It's not hard to tell who
condones the fucking shameless shit the clintons come up with.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:49 PM
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34. It's sure gonna be hard to find Democrats
if Obama wins and half your "Base" goes back to FR
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:10 PM
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4. Damn those Clintons for writing Deval Patrick's speeches!!
:rofl:
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:22 PM
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7. Nah. Damn them for calling plagiarism when it isn't.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:25 PM
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11. Yeah... damn them for writing the Boston "We Endorse Obama" Globe expose of Obama's plagiarism!
Keep typin'. You'll come to your senses sooner or later.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:32 PM
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41. Oh, that's right! I forgot the Clintons wrote that.
:shrug:
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:56 PM
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42. Funny, it looks like the Globe is NOT calling it plagiarism
but the Clintons are.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:21 PM
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6. Or believing any of the media propaganda debates
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:23 PM
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8. Is the Clinton campaign plagiarizing political attacks?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:23 PM
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9. Wolfson, Penn, Rove...
Same difference.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:17 AM
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48. .
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:25 PM
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10. Hillary using Michelle Obama's comments today. Was the last line for me
If she gets the nomination. I will not vote for her
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:26 PM
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12. what?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:30 PM
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20. You didn't see her speaking today? When she said
"I don't know if you heard those comments earlier today, But I don't know about you, but I'm proud of my country."

Well, I don't know about you. But I'm absolutely sick of petty shit like that
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:36 PM
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23. Are you sure it was her, and not Cindy McCain?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:45 PM
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30. It was Cindy McCain, not HRC -- good grief
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:47 PM
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33. Are you gonna apologize now?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:10 PM
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38. People who just make up shit
never apologize for it. They think it's acceptable in pursuit of "the cause".
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:55 PM
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36. Please tell me Hillary didn't go there.
I heard McCain's wife say that on MESS NBC today, but, please, not Hillary. If that is true, that's the very last straw for me.



Peace:thumbsup:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:09 PM
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37. LOL
That was Cindy McCain!!!

:rofl:


Man, I've used the term blind hatred a lot here - I didn't realize it was literal.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:26 PM
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13. link? Did she really use her words from yesterday?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:27 PM
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15. What comments? The ones Michelle made about Bill? Or about Hillary being a bad wife?
darn those spouses, eh?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:29 PM
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17. Damn! Attacking someone's spouse as a candidate is lower than Whale SHIT!
Does anyone have a link?

That's even more smarmy than Karl Rove's antics. :grr: :puke: :grr:
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:38 PM
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24. I think they're thinking of Cindy McCain. n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:28 PM
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40. First
it was Cindy McCain who said it, not Hillary.

Second, I'm glad to see you've renounced all the attacks on Bill Clinton.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:44 PM
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28. it was cindy mccain....
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/19/cindy-mccain-michelle-obama-in-patriotism-flap/
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Cindy McCain, Michelle Obama in patriotism flap « - Blogs from CNN.com
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:48 PM
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43. So Brent
are you going acknowledge your major error and apologize?

Nah... probably not.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:26 PM
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14. You're not the only one. I only hold that "special resentment" for Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman ..
Edited on Tue Feb-19-08 04:27 PM by ShortnFiery
but if The Clintons continue on their SMARMY slash-and-burn, take no prisoner's campaign of LIES, DISTORTIONS and outright "CHEATING" - they will be granted that coveted place along with those above two PSEUDO-democrats. :thumbsdown:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:28 PM
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16. They are saturating the media with this crap today.
This campaign has gone beyond trying to sling mud--they are slinging elephant turds.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:32 PM
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21. IMO, it's clearly possible that The Clintons MAY get by with "stealing the nomination"
but I'll be DAMNED if I help them win a 3rd Corporate DLC term in Our Executive Branch! :grr:

YES! With regard to integrity, McCain is better. His wife is smarmy and attacked Michelle, but she is NOT "the candidate."

The Clintons hit ROCK BOTTOM with me - they're POISON. :thumbsdown:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:30 PM
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19. Thank you for sourcing the NATIONAL REVIEW.
Your friend,

Bill Kristol

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:33 PM
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22. Obama plagiarized Edwards too. That's what REALLY pisses me off.
:grr:
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GPSrulesall Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:51 PM
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35. My thoughts..
When John McCain can call you out on it and DEFEND Hillary Clinton by saying that Obama copied her plans..you know there's an issue. I don't think the plagiarism will be a factor going forward, but I think the media, and the public, are going to be more questionable of Obama's "golden" tongue.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:53 PM
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44. In 2004 Edwards used bits from Obama's convention speech, so what?
Please stop thinking there is anything invented out of a clear blue sky in the rhetoric of any politician. That's just demented.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:39 PM
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25. You are not alone!
You are certainly not alone.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:41 PM
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26. Easy killers

It's out there, now linked from drudge...true or not.
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IrishBloodEngHeart Donating Member (815 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:44 PM
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29. They are both so effing selfish and mean.
I can't stand them anymore. I hope after the primary she resigns and they both disappear from public life.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:46 PM
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31. LOL! National Review!!!!
:rofl:


Do you people even TRY anymore?
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 04:46 PM
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32. Posted`yesterday ...original OP vinca...Wolfson should be careful!
snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-18-08 03:21 PM
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17. Is it OK to plagiarize from one's spouse?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Vinca (1000+ posts) Mon Feb-18-08 11:04 AM
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7. Oh, my, lookie what I found -
Edited on Mon Feb-18-08 11:31 AM by Vinca
"As president I know I can't kill, jail or occupy every nation we don't agree with and I cannot just wish that all the terrorists be wiped off the face of the Earth." - Hillary Clinton, 2/10/2007

That sure sounds familiar....

"If you got an interdependent world, and you cannot kill, jail or occupy all your adversaries, sooner or later you have to make a deal." - Bill Clinton, 4/16/2005

Wait, wait, I know what you're going to say - IT DOESN'T COUNT!
************************************
I wonder if Sen. Clinton delivered the above as well as President Clinton?

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 05:12 PM
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39. Both sides just need to stop ALL this crap! This is SO embarrassing! nt
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 06:56 PM
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45. Feel good
I think this is just helping their demise. The public knows that the Empress has no clothes, and if she's ready on day 1 like her campaign was run, we're in trouble. This is the last gasps - well, not last, as I'm sure they'll keep kicking and screaming for a bit.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-19-08 07:22 PM
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47. Too Bad So Sad.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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