Amazing Hillary supporters are still blabbing about misogyny

[LittleBlue]

Jeez, I see three more threads about women, Obama not liking women, etc. Really reflective of the campaigns. Obama's is positive, and rather than trying to find the worst in people, he promotes unity. He says we have to come together to find common cause, because we haven't been able to accomplish anything divided as we are. What did I hear Hillary say the other day? I'm paraphrashing, but it was "Together we will beat the Republicans in November." Well, that's fine, but am I really going to the voting booth to "beat" the Republicans? What about the issues that affect us?

Anyway, not trying to Hillary bash, just trying to offer one reason why her campaign is failing. You won't attract anyone by constantly crying sexism and misogyny. The plagiarism charge looked pretty desperate.

Here's one moral of the story: If Hillary had just been honest from the beginning, voting progressively instead of triangulating on the war, bankruptcy bill, etc., she'd probably have the nomination. To be frank, I'm glad to see an overall honest guy triumph over guile and calculation. The Hillary supporters make thread after thread about the evil misogynists who sunk Hillary, and the blame really lies with herself and her supporters.

[smalll]

1. You're right.: Blabbing about misogyny,

kvetching over ageism, droning on and on about totally last century stuff like experience and party loyalty, and totally belittling hype-driven empty-headed "movements" -- that's us Hillary supporters!

And I’m proud to be a Hillarite,
Another Dem for Hillary.
And I won't get caught in the O-man's hype,
or his froth and frippery -

And I gladly stand up,
next to you, and defend Her still tonight.
I don't want the "god" above us all,
but Our Girl who's in our fight!

:patriot:

[Fredda Weinberg]

10. W00t!

[TheDoorbellRang]

40. You capitalize "Her" in your paean?

and you accuse Obama supporters of being in a cult?

Oh I gladly back Obama.
He's* the man who fuels our hopes
We can leave behind the drama
of the Clintons and their soaps.


*Example of when a third person pronoun referring to your candidate should be capitalized.

[Metric System]

2. "rather than trying to find the worst in people, he promotes unity." God they must have upped the

dose in the Kool-Aid. Is this the same man who called Hillary polarizing and divisive? The same man who allowed Donnie McClurkin to preach his anti-gay hate crap at a rally?!? The only unity he promotes is unity with Rethugs. No thanks!

[LittleBlue]

4. More Donnie McClurkin.

It seems Hillary supporters are more offended by McClurkin than most gays and many gay publications. I wonder why that is?

Anyway, Obama drew me in with his inclusiveness, and his ability to charm those formerly opposed to the Democratic party. What you may call a cult is really just a breath of relief that someone is still left for us plebs.

[readmoreoften]

20. The people here who were offended by McClurkin weren't Hillary supporters they were gays on DU.

But everyone who criticizes your hero is a Hillary-worshipping devil, aren't they? Like you know what "most gays" think or don't think... Really, you can't take the most basic human defense of the candidate running against yours, can you? You can't even admit that she shouldn't be called a "cunt." If that's too much to bear, then you don't support a candidate, you have a messiah.

[LadyVT]

3. please check BOTH sides' fact check sites...

[ThatPoetGuy]

5. You know, I support Obama...

but the misogyny is real, and it's disturbing. I'm not saying Obama's a misogynist, but the constant media cry of "shrill," "cackle," "witch," and so forth has been STUNNING. Anyone who can't see that, has issues of the soul.

Obviously I don't think it makes sense to choose a candidate based on who is the more prejudiced-against. Obama is more likely to win the general election, he has a stronger record as a progressive, and his style of communication is more likely to get things accomplished than Hillary's policy-wonkery. So I'm supporting Obama.

And yet, over these last few months, I've been dismayed by the way the mainstream media has channeled tremendous woman-hating into their portrayal of the most serious contender for first female POTUS in history, and I've been saddened by the tendency of so many Obama supporters to either carry a torch to the witch trials or cavalierly dismiss the pervasive ugliness and hostility towards women.

[DeepModem Mom]

6. Thank you for this post. (I also support Obama.) nt

[crispini]

7. What he said.

Word.

[goldcanyonaz]

8. This Hillary supporter thanks you for this post.

[LittleBlue]

9. But if you wallow in it, it gets you nowhere.

And if you call people misogynistic who really aren't, it's crying wolf. They're hurting their own campaign thinking they can cause sufficient feelings of hatred, fear, and offense to get a nomination.

People get turned off by that stuff. People with real problems in life (like disabilities, house foreclosures, and feeding their familiy) don't put this in the same perspective the Hillary folks do- boo fucking hoo the media hates her, but we can't get healthcare! False victimhood plays false with many groups.

[paperbag_ princess]

26. you are proving their point

On what planet would you ever in your wildest dreams say the same thing about a black person calling against racism...

I am pretty dog gone sure that you would at least listen to their argument in a respectful manner....and if you didn't, I am pretty sure that the rest of DU would attack you with everything they had.

[noiretextatique]

misogyny is a real problem, so is racism

just because you can't grasp that doesn't mean it isn't real to those affected by it. if you were affected by it, perhaps you could see it as real.

[WillyT]

43. Have I Told You Lately That I Love You ???

Wassup ???

:bounce::loveya::bounce:

:hi::yourock::hi:

[noiretextatique]

44. hanging in there, hon

:loveya: had a bout of breast cancer, but luckily, it was caught early. had a lumpectomy, and i am doing radiation now, but no chemo...thank goodness. and an added plus...i'm off work for two months :woohoo:
:hi: great to see you, willyt. we have to do a meet-up soon.

[WillyT]

56. Hey... You Ok ???

My mom went thought it, and my Aunt is goin through it now.

Anytime ya wanna get together, you just let me know!

I really, really, do love you!

Let's get together and kick some ass!!!

:bounce::evilgrin::bounce:

Please... PM me.

[mkultra]

11. shrill and cackle is just a viel

What they are saying is that hillary's speech in some cases has had a hateful tone. Like the debate where obama aid she could advise him. Her throaty laugh sure sounded to my like she was trying to start up a dog pile on Obama. His statement was a reversal in my eyes.



Shrill is just another word for "constantly negative," which she is starting to become.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. Well said. nt

[ProSense]

13. "I'm not saying Obama's a misogynist" Well that's what they're saying!

They claimed Obama, Kerry and Kennedy dissed women.

Why hasn't there been any outrage from them about the media and Michelle Obama? In fact they're agreeing with it, justifying it and presenting Republicans' comments in support of their argument.

I agree with the OP it's BS to create the perception that misogyny, the media and Obama's campaign are somehow linked.

Misogyny is real, but repeat: Hillary is not a victim.

[readmoreoften]

14. My OP said there was misogyny on DU not that Obama was a misogynist.

If you can't see the misogyny, then you don't want to. It's really that simple.

[ProSense]

15. Did I link to your OP? "If you can't see the misogyny..." Right, proving my point.

Racism is real too (see Bill O'Reilly's latest lynching comment). Let's fill GD-P with posts about racism that have nothing to do with the candidates.

[readmoreoften]

17. I'm not talking about the CANDIDATES. I'm talking about MISOGYNIST ASSHOLES ON DU.

The ones who DENY the reality of things like: there's a 527 under the acronym C.U.N.T. This fact has NOTHING to do with Bill O Reilly's racism or anyone else. The fact that sexism exist doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist. It's not a zero sum game. I've spoken out on racist attacks on Obama as well. What? Can't someone walk and chew gum at the same time?

Stop MINIMIZING SEXISM.

And no you didn't link to my other OP. But it's the same ignorant BS you posted there as here and my other OP is one of the ones referenced in this OP and you know it.

[ProSense]

18. This GD-P and why the hell are you so defensive? "Stop MINIMIZING SEXISM." Stop screaming about it.

Everybody knows it exists: like rape, child abuse, hate crimes are all the horrible and tragic injustices in our society, none of which should be made light of.

[readmoreoften]

21. I'm screaming because you're getting on my nerves. I'm screaming because lowercase ain't cuttin' it.

You've minimized the sexism--both on DU and in the media-- by discounting it offhand. Instead of saying, I can't stand Hillary Clinton but there have certainly been some disgusting politics that need to be addressed, you've said "but Bill O'Reilly is racist!" That's a cop out.

If sexism shouldn't be made light of, then don't accept it when it's applied to anyone. Not even your least-favorite candidate or her female supporters.

What you call "defensive" I call aggressively cutting through rhetorical BS. And also being too lazy to insert italics. ;)

[ProSense]

25. "You've minimized the sexism--both on DU and in the media-- by discounting it offhand." BS

There are overt attempts to attach the misogynist label to anyone who supports Obama. That is trivializing the issue!

[readmoreoften]

16. #1 I'm not a Hillary supporter. Learn to read.

#2 Your use of the word "blabbing" reveals much about you.

#3. Just because someone is the subject of misogynistic attacks doesn't mean that they are a good candidate or running a good campaign. Regardless, they shouldn't be attacked for something beyond their control: the fact that there is no prototype for a successful female commander-in-chief and we have no cultural space for such an animal as of yet.

Since I'm one of the people "blabbing" about Hillary I suggest you get your facts straight.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. I know - "blabbing" was quite an interesting choice of words....

n/t

[rodeodance]

53. You also you are not bashing her---then you proceed to do just that.

[rodeodance]

22. there you go--being divisive--when you say our Leader promotes UNITY. tsk tsk

Obama's is positive, and rather than trying to find the worst in people, he promotes unity.

[VotesForWomen]

23. so you opposed it when O folks were blabbing about racism, right? nt

[pnwmom]

24. Obama's likable enough

even though it's hard to believe that it was an accident when he said that "periodically" when Hillary's "feeling down" she "launches attacks."

It's just some of his supporters who are sometimes guilty of blatant misogyny.

[Adelante]

32. As a feminist, there is nothing sexist in the example you use

If you are calling that blatant misogyny, even to me, it's the extreme silliness of political correctness and why genuine sexism continues to be acceptable. When people overplay the gender card, it trivializes the real thing and makes it easier to dismiss, because as in your case, it is genuinely inapt, not adequate to the occasion.

>"periodically" when Hillary's "feeling down" she "launches attacks"

When a news commentator refers to Hillary as a bitch or a witch, when the media goes into a frenzy portraying misty eyes as a full out nervous breakdown and another candidate remarks on the capabilities of being commander in chief in the same breath -- those are things to call out on sexism. Obama's observation above could have been made by any candidate about any other candidate notwithstanding gender. Please spare me any disquisition on PMS. These supposed defenses do nothing but weaken a female candidate, because they reach past the boundaries of common sense. I will say the same things happen with overplaying of the race card, or in any identity politics, where people sometimes overreach and weaken their genuine argument.

I have several reasons for not supporting Hillary and several reasons for supporting Barack. None has to do with her gender or his race. But I wouldn't be supporting a sexist candidate in a million years.

[niceypoo]

27. And all Obama supporters babble about is Hillary

Which is why Obama is being percieved as an empty suit, he has failed to define himself beyond being, 'not Hillary,' and repeating a few simple campaign slogans.

[cooolandrew]

28. Yes, you got a point there half america is male calling them sexist non-stop isn't a vote winner...

...Also fair minded women are seeing that casting this label along with cult is grossly unfair you win more people with milk and honey. I will concede I have mentioned racism only on occasion but I haven't made blanket statements of all americans. Every person labelled cultist aren't really going to be swayed over to Hillary. It's about winning votes not putting folks down. Although campaign as people wish if they feel it works for them, that's fine, I respect their right to that opinion.

[CorpGovActivist]

47. Bingo!

[Marrah_G]

29. Hi- STFU and GO AWAY! Another pathetic "concern" post. n/t

[cooolandrew]

35. They really warm your heart I must vote HRC in the primaries, erm maybe...m

[DemVet]

30. And BO supporters are still whining about race. n/t

[Marrah_G]

31. Please don't sink to their level. n/t

[casus belli]

38. Provide links please.

I haven't seen any posts mentioning racism and Obama in at least a couple pages. In fact, I think you may be the first person to have brought it up in awhile.

[cooolandrew]

39. We've mostly stayed away from race but not seen any folks constantly being negative and calling ...

..all americans racist. The supporters of Barack have kept it as positive as can be, and not tried to chase people away. It's how to get a majority of votes it is how to win an election. Barack is for unity and that is how we take back the white house as a unit. Now at the same time, I respect your right to campaign as you wish though.

[DemVet]

46. Hey I'm just saying...

...that if Barack Obama is the Democratic Nominee, race WILL be an issue in the General Election. We need to prepare for that.


As for the "whining"(maybe not the best of terms...I don't mean to offend anyone), just look at the threads here in the DU. "Race", "Racist", and "Race Card" come up quite often when it comes to characterizing Hillary supporters such as myself. Can one not support Barack Obama without being a racist?

[dailykoff]

42. It's the Clinton supporters who accuse Obama of playing the race card.

Hilarious but oh so true and don't try to deny it.

[Darth_Kitten]

52. Oh, to be so self-righteous and victimized?

Wahhhh!!! I'm a young male and the WORLD OWES ME A LIVING!! wahhhhhh!!!!

[MadHound]

33. It's been a standard tactic amongst Hillary supporters ever since Hillary climbed into the race

Criticize Hillary on the war, you're a misogynist, criticize Hillary on Kyle/Lieberman, you're a misogynist, criticize Hillary on her support of NAFTA, NCLB or a host of other issues, you're a misogynist. It is a tactic that is used to try and stifle genuine criticism and debate. It is a sad, sorry, pathetic tactic, but one that is still being used now.

That's what happens when you can't run on your record, you start resorting to spin and bullshit.

[dailykoff]

37. when they're not calling Obama racist

or worse.

[dailykoff]

34. when does she sue the Dartmouth lacrosse team anyway

or has she finally running out of phony stunts?

[casus belli]

36. And many of them are having trouble spelling it. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

45. That just cracks me up on so many levels.

"This spelling test will not be graded on a gender bell curve."

WHAT?!?

; )

- Dave

[saltpoint]

41. Yep. Them feminist gals sure got a short fuse.

[dailykoff]

48. Periodically.

[Darth_Kitten]

50. At least they aren't rioting in the streets or bullying old ladies.

n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

51. Yes, imagine women with self-regard and self-respect......

not that that was ever encouraged in SOME people's households.

[saltpoint]

57. Yep. A durn touchy bunch.

[miceelf]

49. The fault

Is not with Hillary or her supporters. It's with scum like Mark Penn and Howard Wolfson, and to a lesser extent Bill.

And the Obama campaign would have as MUCH of a case to make for how it's racism that is keeping the older white people in Clinton's camp. But to their credit, they're not going there.

[NJmaverick]

54. Well I am sure some are using it as a campaign tactic

Others probably have sadly distorted views of the world. The statement is the same that saying anyone that doesn't support Obama is a racist or a sexist man hater or both. In my opinion it's the statements are morally reprehensible as it lessens the charges when used against true sexism.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. The Hillary I know...those who know her best......

http://www.thehillaryiknow.com/




.

[apocalypsehow]

58. Yep - it's their first resort. Even the innocuous use of everyday words that do not have the

slightest gender-specific meaning, such as "frustrated," are now treated as if they have dark, misogynist plots lurking behind their standard application....

[eridani]

59. The media has had plenty of really vile misogyny

--as anyone who isn't blind or deaf has noticed.