Hillary says she's Proud2BAmurkin

[BeyondGeography]

In a rally tonight in south Texas, Hillary played the Michelle card:

=="This country has given me so many opportunities," Clinton said. "I am proud of the United States of America."==

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2032955920080221?sp=true

[jackson_dem]

1. Good

If Obamites want to take the mantle of opposing patriotism by all means go ahead!

[NJSecularist]

6. Should't you be a rethug with that kind of thinking?

"You either are with us or you are un-American."

[LittleClarkie]

11. Why does Michelle hate America

Why is she a hater?

[BeyondGeography]

12. This is how the terrorists win, Little Clarkie

[LittleClarkie]

Well, what do you expect

what with her husband being a closet Communist... err... Republican.... um... Communist Republican...

It's funny. The left things he's a Repub. The right thinks he's a commie.

Same with Hillary come to think of it.

[rodeodance]

54. by you posting a thread demeaning Hillary.? HA HA HA

[leftynyc]

92. That works both ways

Just because Mrs. Obama said something being used against her and her husband, nobody on the left can claim to be proud of this country because it would make her look bad.

[LordJFT]

8. Hillary sponsored flag-burning, which makes her a fake patriot

Protecting a physical object is meaningless if you don't protect the principles it stands for.

[Captain Hilts]

14. HRC SUPPORTED Moveon.org's Petraus ad and Obama voted to CONDEMN it. nt

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

32. Yep.

[Usrename]

33. Half true.

...

Presidential candidates Sens. Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd voted against the resolution. Sen. Barrack Obama did not vote.

Obama did, however, vote for an alternate measure, offered by California Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, that condemned the MoveOn ad as an "unwarranted personal attack" on Petraeus. It also denounced political attack ads that questioned the patriotism of Vietnam War vets Sen. John Kerry and Max Cleland, a former senator from Georgia who was disabled during the war. That resolution was defeated.

...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/senate-condemns.html

[Zhade]

57. That's a lie, he didn't vote at all.

Clinton supporters, lying? Shock!

(And no, I'm not an Obama guy. I just hate lies.)

[cali]

85. wrong. he didn't vote on it.

And frankly, I thought the move.on ad was a stupid strategic blunder. pissed me off that they were so tone deaf at such a critical moment. And my Senator, bar none, my favorite politician voted for it, and he's a thousand times the superior of Hillary. If she had a fraction of the integrity Pat Leahy has, I'd be supporting her. She really isn't. Not even close.

[cbayer]

18. Sponsored a flag burning? Link please. nt.

[LordJFT]

34. *legislation banning flag-burning

[cbayer]

41. Legislation banning flag burning? Link please?

[anigbrowl]

44. Just FYI, here is some background

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/14/AR2005121401887.html

[cbayer]

46. And while I appreciate that,

it's a column from 2005 and here is a quote from it:

"Clinton ...along with Sen. Robert Bennett, a Utah Republican,... has introduced a bill that would make flag burning illegal. It is probably important to note that this is not a proposed constitutional amendment, and it is written in a cutesy way that does not explicitly outlaw all flag burnings -- just those intended to "intimidate any person or group of persons."

It's irresponsible and embarrassing to have people make these kinds of posta. But they appear to be getting their "talking points" from somewhere. But those giving them out really don't appear to be 'splaining them very well.

Hence the totally opposite original response to this.

[LordJFT]

53. It may have some stipulation but it's still unconstitutional to ban free expression

[jackson_dem]

She does protect the principles of the Constitution

Her judges will do it a lot more than Obama's "moderate" judges would...

[NJSecularist]

30. And this is based on what?

Obama is the more liberal senator. More liberal than Hillary. More liberal than Edwards.

[Omphaloskepsis]

86. Can people stop with the stupid names for people you disagree with?

I got out of Jr High 16 years ago.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. She says that quite a bit, why is it news today?

[jackson_dem]

9. Obamites think there is something strange about patriotism

Let's not interfere with it. Let's let them become the campaign of anti-patriotism. :rofl:

[goldcanyonaz]

13. I can't imagine anyone living in America not being proud. Many would love to take their place

in our great country.

[jackson_dem]

21. Especially if the nation allowed you to achieve:

--Princeton University
--Harvard Law
--Met husband at Harvard Law
--Executive
--Wife of U.S. Senator
--Family made $2.6 million in two years
--Husband the front runner for being president

What a tough life! :sarcasm:

[goldcanyonaz]

26. Yeah, life's a bitch.

[Captain Hilts]

39. Until your husband's got momentum in a presidential race. Then it's great! nt

[whatchamacallit]

52. Cue the Lee Greenwood

How do you feel about the actions of this country over the last 8 years? Proud of the All American Bush Boys? Does your breast swell with pride? You gonna buy a lapel flag? Thanks freeper :puke:

[jackson_dem]

76. Obamites: if you are a patriot you must be a freeper!

Again, I "hope" Obamites take the mantle of anti-patriotism.

Since when is Bush representative of the country?

[whatchamacallit]

83. And you can copy the republicans; wrapping yourselves in the flag and erecting jingoistic straw-men

We Obama supporter love our country too, we just know when we're being had.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel - Samuel Johnson

[MyNameGoesHere]

94. You have done well in your short time here.

Over a month and you have become a real tour de force for .. well pointless posts.

[whatchamacallit]

101. Maybe I should use your post as a template

cuz it doesn't get any better than this:crazy:

[MyNameGoesHere]

102. Maybe you should explain why you know who greenwood is.

I had to look it up.

[whatchamacallit]

103. Everybody here knows who that repuke jackass is

Is that the best you got?:eyes:

[MyNameGoesHere]

104. Sorry i had no clue.

And i wasn't trying for anything complicated on you. Just not sure why you hate people that love America. Just seems weird Obama supporters being all nice and inclusive. It baffles me the hate and vomit that comes out of such a nice and warm bunch that wants to include all walks of life. So in my opinion you are the perfect Obama supporter. You epitomize the essence of an Obama supporter. Congrats.

[Zhade]

59. You're proud to be from a nation that tortures? Kills innocents? Can't hold honest elections?

Imprisons nonviolent drug "offenders" and puts more people in prison per capita than CHINA?

Need I go on as to why you should feel fucking ASHAMED?

Nationalism: the last refuge of the uninformed and uncaring.

[rodeodance]

62. guess Michell is also proud to be that nations.

[SammyWinstonJack]

88. ...

:thumbsup:

[NJSecularist]

17. More smear tactics from the Hillbots

Using right wing talking points even.

[rodeodance]

47. well done--Thats a ROVIAN-KILLTHE MESSENGER tactic you are using.

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17. More smear tactics from the Hillbots

Using right wing talking points even.

[LordJFT]

36. well seeing as she's losing Hillary can't become the campaign of anything for much longer

:rofl:

[Bicoastal]

3. Who knew?

How did she manage to take time out from her busy schedule to be the biggest Troll on this forum?

[Seen the light]

4. Great thread title

:rofl:

[RememberWellstone]

5. Let Michelle do it again.

Please send her out there an let her say the same thing every campaign stop...go ahead, it does'nt mean anything.

[jackson_dem]

16. Yes! Please Obamites put that quote on all your Obama signs too!

[redstate_democrat]

22. "Yes! Please Obamites put that quote on all your Obama signs too!"

This is sad because you know this is the only way your candidate has a shot in hell of winning. Obama would have to self destruct, curse out every single American while giving the finger, and shit on the White House's front lawn to loose this thing.

Give it up. It's a wrap.

[leftynyc]

93. Nice twisting

What the issue is that Senator Obama's supporters are claiming there was nothing wrong with what Mrs. Obama said and how it's being portrayed in the press. Senator Clinton's supporters are saying if that's true, let her keep repeating it. Do you think that's a great idea?

[Cha]

31. What? While hilary's dumpster diving?

Michelle is a class act and hilary is crawling around looking for crumbs at the bottom of a sewer with her buddy, mark penn.

And Wellstone was too real to support a warmonger like hilary.

[rodeodance]

67. well, seems to me it was MO who did the duzy. some day she will up to women like

classy Hillary. yes. some day.

[MadBadger]

7. Hillary wants to pull a Cindy McCain...I hope Obama goes after her hard.

[rodeodance]

49. He is afraid of her-recall snubgate--He saw her coming and he RAN. yup he did

[MadBadger]

55. I havent seen her lie yet though like she did with the "snub"

[rodeodance]

60. I am glad you agree that when she says she is pround to an american she is not lying.

[Thrill]

10. Low blow, But whatever

She'll say and do anything right now

[IndianaGreen]

37. Hillary is parroting Cindy McCain. What's next, parrot Bill-O's "lynching" comment

that Keith Olbermann chastized him for tonight.

[Beausoir]

50. You are utterly vile. Can you honestly imagine Hillary wanting to LYNCH people?

You throw that horrific term around with such ease. You've been practicing, haven't you?

[rodeodance]

70. the sheer hate in your comment is bleeding over into the thread.

Hillary is parroting Cindy McCain. What's next, parrot Bill-O's "lynching" comment

that Keith Olbermann chastized him for tonight.

[Cha]

15. Do you hear that sound?

that's hilary sucking at the bottom of dumpster. Suck away hilary cause you ain't never goin' be my president.

[BenDavid]

19. See you obama supporters are faulting folks for not giving

michelle obama a break by you all saying well she did not mean it that way and we should give her the benefit of the doubt....well this woman is 45 years old....Hell what is she the rewrapped henry hyde who said he had an affair with a married woman in his younger days....when asked how old were you Henry, he replied I was 44.....

I can understand wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but that would be maybe the right thing to do but this woman said that same thing in 2 speeches....not one damn speech but in two speeches...she knew exactly what she was saying.....

[rodeodance]

69. yes. she said it 2x--and tonight she was on even. news trying to explain

what she really meant.--and i do not think she came across well at all.

to late-----

[blm]

107. Except we know how Bushprotecting Clintons WORK, Ben - we've SEEN how Hillary backstabs

any Dem and she'll JOIN Bush and McCain to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. Miss that guy.

[DUyellow]

23. LOL Proud2BAmurkin sums it up

[Captain Hilts]

40. Original thread title is pretty funny. I agree. nt

[grantcart]

24. Is she campaiging for her job now?

[IndianaGreen]

25. The Bible said something about pride and being boastful

I prefer Emma Goldman's point of view, rejecting chauvinism and jingoism:

PATRIOTISM: A MENACE TO LIBERTY (1917)

Emma Goldman

What, then, is patriotism? "Patriotism, sir, is the last resort of scoundrels," said Dr. Johnson. Leo Tolstoy, the greatest anti-patriot of our times, defines patriotism as the principle that will justify the training of wholesale murderers; a trade that requires better equipment for the exercise of man-killing than the making of such necessities of life as shoes, clothing, and houses; a trade that guarantees better returns and greater glory than that of the average workingman.

Gustave Hervé, another great anti-patriot, justly calls patriotism a superstition--one far more injurious, brutal, and inhumane than religion. The superstition of religion originated in man's inability to explain natural phenomena. That is, when primitive man heard thunder or saw the lightning, he could not account for either, and therefore concluded that back of them must be a force greater than himself. Similarly he saw a supernatural force in the rain, and in the various other changes in nature. Patriotism, on the other hand, is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.

Indeed, conceit, arrogance, and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. Let me illustrate. Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others.

http://sunsite3.berkeley.edu/Goldman/Writings/Anarchism/patriotism.html

[psychopomp]

56. Stop thinking! This is a flamefest

Get outta here with your words, your books and your wordy-books!

Pretty desperate of Sen. Clinton to try to appeal to jingoism by waving the flag like that; we love our country and most of us sure don't want any more Clintons in the White House.

[rodeodance]

73. How dare you quote Emma Goldman's--to try to justify the DEMEANING OP.

[NashVegas]

99. It Sure Did

And IIRC, it was mostly in reference to self-pride.

Which makes Michelle's remarks even more of a gaffe, to those who may be biblically inclined. You know - those RW voters BO has been pandering to for some time now.

[billyoc]

27. You know, I think if Sen. Clinton came out and defended Michelle Obama in public,

She would skyrocket in the polls. I really think that she would.

[madrchsod]

35. good god why would she do that?

she can not be seen to be weak

[Beausoir]

38. Why does Michelle Obama need defending? Can't she "keep her own house clean"?

[rodeodance]

97. Obama came out and said wha she meant.

[Cha]

42. Ha! hilary take the road? She couldn't

find it if you gave her a compass and a map.

[madrchsod]

28. good for you hillary

i`m happy you are proud of a country that has murdered hundred of thousands of innocent people in iraq for nothing more
than a lie.

ya it sure has given you everything you need...but what about us hillary?

[bridgit]

29. Oh, I dunno, when did Michelle *become* proud of America?

Please don't imply that it was as her proximity to the family quarters in the WH became more relevant to her personally. Cause that would be bad :(

For what it's worth, I'm proud to be an American and have been long before I even knew who Michelle O was :patriot:

[rodeodance]

66. when her husband was in a position to run for Pres.

[EffieBlack]

78. It's nice that you're "proud" to be an American

What exactly did you do to be proud of your nationality?

[bridgit]

80. That's clearly none of your business. You'll need to troll for a pissy-fit...

somewhere else

[EffieBlack]

81. Ha ha - so you boast on a message board that you're proud to be an American

but when you're asked why, it suddenly becomes a private matter?

That's precious.

[bridgit]

82. ha, ha, ha, you *snap* your fingers and demand that people respect you...

when you really aren't worth the time...how too so very precious...'precious'.

[stillrockin]

43. Oh brother. What a phony.

[AtomicKitten]

45. that explains a lot

[Beausoir]

48. Played the Michelle card? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Is that another dog-whistle coming from the Obama camp?

[rodeodance]

51. they are obsessed with cards--Rovian tactic --they just throw it out

[rodeodance]

58. She was talking to proud Texans---they loved it. YOU GO HILLARY

[uppityperson]

61. Well, that explains a lot.

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

63. Following McCain's lead again.

Yep. That's a winning strategy. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

79. I love how Obama FOLLOWED Hillary's lead and has started to include some

specifics in his speechs

[NastyRiffraff]

64. What the hell???

So, now no one can be proud of our country, for fear that saying so would insult Michelle? Show me where Michelle's name was even mentioned in Hillary's speech. There's nothing unusual about expressing pride in America in Texas.

This is getting really, really stupid. And sad, when people have to "watch what they say, watch what they do" (to paraphrase Ari Fleicher) because there may be a chance that the Obamas may be insulted.

[cbayer]

68. Unfreakingbelievable.

Who are these people?

[rodeodance]

72. The OP is demeaning Hillary for being proud to be american. SICK

[smalll]

65. ALL TOGETHER NOW ---

And I’m proud to be a Hillarite,
Another Dem for Hillary.
And I won't get caught in the O-man's hype,
or his froth and frippery -

And I gladly stand up,
next to you, and defend Her still tonight.
I don't want the "god" above us all,
but Our Girl who's in our fight!

:patriot:

[tabasco]

74. Sign up for your girl's war if you're so patriotic.

www.goarmy.com

[rodeodance]

77. LOVE IT--thank you

[JVS]

71. I kind of miss Proud.

But then I think of all the shitheads taking his place and don't miss him anymore

[uppityperson]

105. I find it amazing how many have missed

what this topic is about.

[jackson_dem]

75. Breaking: presidential candidate a patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh the humanity!

[BeyondGeography]

84. Kicking for the smell of right-wing tactics in the morning

[Connie_Corleone]

87. McCain/Hillary 2008

[Cameron27]

89. The Michelle card?

What, putting the word card after her name is supposed to make her untouchable? This is politics, and while she gets to say whatever the hell she feels like saying, her words actually do get to be used by her rivals. She better remember that if Obama ends up being the nominee.

[rodeodance]

95. many Obamafolks toss out 'cards" very Rovian!

[Jamastiene]

90. CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!111!!1

RUN!!11!1 RUN FOR YOUR LIFE....



























STREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!
:woohoo:

:bounce: :bounce:

[BigDDem]

91. Threads like this make McCain more and more attractive

[rodeodance]

100. POSTED by an Obamasupporter.

[rodeodance]

96. I hope Obama is proud to be an American.

[TriMetFan]

98. What's wrong with being

proud of The United States of America???? Are you a shame of being America or a shame of people like Bush? I ask because that is the difference. Mrs. Obama has a lot to be proud of as an American.

[sniffa]

106. I'm a shame of Bush

Fuck him!

[TriMetFan]

108. That is how I feel too.

Fuck Bush and his thugs. I'm a Proud American, that is a shame of the people that will voted for Bush and I'm a shame of Bush. So again Mrs. Obama has a lot to be proud of.

[greguganus]

109. She is? Didn't that poster get TS'd? n/t