Why do Clinton supporters save most of their venom for Obama's young voters?

[Bicoastal]

It's beyond bizarre, the number of savage attacks I've seen here and elsewhere, specificially targeting ME, a young Obama supporter, as if I was a member of the Hitler youth or something. And I DON'T see this targeting going on our side aimed at Hillary's supporters. I'll be fair--there's plenty of nastiness on either side. But most of us Obamites DON'T sling mud at Hillary's voters in a generalized fashion--we save it for the person actually running for office.

What's that, you say? This is just a few cranks on GDP, and not representative of the Clinton campaign as a whole?

Then what about the man in THIS video? As has been noted in several blogs already, he spoke in Ohio less than an hour before HRC gave her Wisconsin "concession" speech covered by the networks. It's all pretty ugly, but skip ahead to the very end (3:50), and you'll see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJVHjZVD60

Is THIS what her inner circle thinks of us? If so, I couldn't be more against her winning the nomination.

[lligrd]

1. Couldn't Even Get Through The Video

I can't believe Clinton doesn't have better that this. It is beginning to make me wonder what we ever saw in her. She's beginning to sound LIEberman-like.

[Cha]

48. lanny david says hilary is like lieberman and

Obama is like Ned Lamont..and this is from one of her fawning surrogates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4681239

[cottonseed]

66. I does sound like he was getting booed by pretty badly.

If those were boos, it's nice to know not everyone is falling for these sad and overplayed sound bites.

[casus belli]

2. Disgusting. That video makes me sick to my stomach. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

3. Obama babies. Obama puppies.

When did childish namecalling become acceptable.

[ingac70]

4. That's what Hill thinks of "libruls" in general.

She is going on a scorched earth campaign, and if that means ripping the party apart, so be it as far as she is concerned.

You know that fucker's speech was reviewed beforehand. Has he nothing nice to say about the candidate he is supporting?

[paperbag_ princess]

5. most everyone welcomes the youth vote

You really can't win unless every voting block is energized.

I think that a lot of the middle age voters (especially many women) are feeling stepped over. The have given years of loyal service and many of them have waited in line to have their voice heard...only then to have the youth voters tell them that they are irrelevant and what they have done in the past is meaningless...it is time for something new...

We all agree that the "new" that we need is a progressive agenda and democratic leadership....the youth in the Obama movement seem to be including many loyal democrats in that call for something new...(as in the attack that Hillary is the status quo)

It is just human nature to expect to be respected when you have earned it....and there are many in the democratic party who have earned respect because of their years of service and hard work even when the democratic party wasn't trendy.

I recognize that the Obama campaign includes many types of supporters...but the youth seem to be getting a lot of media attention and seem to be "talking"' the loudest.

It is a pretty common human condition.

[Skittles]

6. you speak very logically, princess

that won't go over well with all the juvenile crap going on here

[ingac70]

7. "latte drinking", "Prius driving", "trust fund babies"...

That is the stuff coming out of the man's mouth in the video. She might have well had Rush Limbaugh up there. Juvenile crap indeed.

[Skittles]

8. WHO GIVES A F***?

WHY are you using one asshole on a video to trash all Clinton supporters? F***ING JUVENILE. AND I AM NOT A HILLARY SUPPORTER.

[Jamastiene]

28. Here, have a

:hug:

[ingac70]

39. Because he was invited by Hillary to speak at HER rally..

and you know good and well that speech was previewed by her campaign.

[Tyler Durden]

43. Like McClurkin was vetted by Obama?

Time for this SHIT to cool down, or we will be staring at President McCain this time next year.

[paperbag_ princess]

12. I wasn't defending the video

I stopped watching part way through...I was just speaking to the OP's question..

There is nothing wrong with lattes or a Prius...

most trust fund babies suck though :)...but I would think that Paris Hilton and the like would be republicans ;)

[YOY]

26. I know a lot of young Obama supporters who are pretty f***ing far from

"trust fund babies"...

and "Prius driving"? Aiming at those who would aim their comsumerist habits towards ecofriendly options??? That's putting votes into Nader's pocket.

[JVS]

41. I think that fucktard has confused the stereotype of being young with being a yuppie

[ShortnFiery]

9. How about we go to the YouTube link and rate this SMUT what it deserves?

:evilgrin:

I just posted my one star. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJVHjZVD60

[pnwmom]

10. I guess you haven't noticed posts about "Hillary's harpies" or other sexist

digs about her supporters.

[ShortnFiery]

11. Don't change the subject. This man's rhetoric is nothing less than "vile" eom.

[H2O Man]

13. Interesting.

After I endorsed Obama, and posted some things that I noted were being used in other forums to encourage young people to join the Obama campaign, a group of people who identified themselves as Clinton supporters began a coordinated effort to trash me. It actually was very helpful to me, as a number of the young people who I was communicating with noticed this, without my having to say it. They saw the connection, and it cemented their support for Obama. Thus, I thank those folks who provided me with the material I used. Can't buy that type of stuff.

[union_maid]

14. I'm sure it's not all of them

There's a lot of ugliness on all sides, but the uglies suck up all the attention. I'm an Obama supporting Grandma and I'm thrilled that Obama is bringing out so many young people to vote, and in the primaries no less. This world is going to be your problem in very short order, so you might as well start now to have a voice in what happens in it. If you wait until you're spending your evenings in the recliner watching TV, it'll be too late.

One of the things that really impressed me is that Obama seems to have engaged my son, at least a little. He's not really a kid. He's 29. He'd become deeply cynical about the body politic. As understandable as that is, considering what's gone on during his adult life, it's also a very counterproductive attitude if it causes you to tune out and not try to influence events. You have to have that energy and idealism that youth brings. I'm so happy it's back in the public discourse.

[Independent-Voter]

15. Old bitter women are like that sometimes. Don't sweat it.

[Tyler Durden]

44. I think you owe an apology.

You've been alerted.

[Independent-Voter]

49. I'm sorry to the older women who aren't bitter. Ya'll don't deserve to be lumped in with the

negative nancy's that are HRC's only remaining block of voters.

[Tyler Durden]

53. Not close enough.

there are RULES against SEXISM, AGE DISCRIMINATION on this board, the same as other forms of discrimination.

Try again. The Obama Camp NEEDS us oldies in the fall. Best remember that.

[Independent-Voter]

58. "You People"

Which -ism is that now?

How about this - "I, Independent Voter, apologize for calling out the females of older persuasion and experience for being seemingly bitter toward the younger voters that trend toward Obama by a 2:1 margin. I don't understand your rationale, but as you are part of the only voting block still hanging with one of your peet group, HRC, more power to you. The rest of the country seems to disagree with your selection, but hey, rock on with your bad self.

Signed,

IV"

Better?

[Tyler Durden]

63. I correct my language...but you aren't getting the message.

Read what you write as if it was directed at you.

[Marrah_G]

62. This sort of tripe is against the rules!

[demmiblue]

59. Neither supporter at this point, however, you are an ass.

edit: an

[LostinVA]

73. Sexist, ageist bullshit of a post

[MyNameGoesHere]

16. Not me i am an equal opportunity venom spewer regardless of your age. n/t

[mindfulNJ]

17. I didn't watch the video

but I'm disgusted by anyone who trashes an entire group of any type of people, and I've seen enough vitriol around here lately to last a couple of lifetimes. I'm immensely proud of the young people (my son is one) who have been energized and moved enough to get out and work for a candidate this time! Wasn't it just four years ago that the same voting block was being trashed for NOT getting involved?

[noiretextatique]

18. Bicoastal, your post doesn't support your title

you have a video of one person, yet your headline indicts an entire group of people, i.e., clinton supporters. futhermore, you make a claim that is patently false, i.e., claiming that most obama supporters do not make generalizations. futhermore, you are doing the exact same thing the person in that video did, i.e., make a gross, and false generalization about an entire group of people.

this video has been discussed here ad nauseum, and most thinking people, regardless of who they support, know it's over-the-top rhetoric.

[K Gardner]

19. Don't worry about HRC, Bicoastal. Its not just you they diss..

its anybody (all the tens of millions of us) who support Obama.

I won't miss them when they're gone.

:hug: WE'RE glad to have you as part of OUR revolution. Together, we're going to make the world a better place :hug:

Hillary people will be spending many years at the Bitter Farm :-) :hi:

[Mags]

67. Hey, I'm going no where, I am a Hillary supporter and will

always be one. I am also a middle aged woman. I will not be bitter if she loses, but I sure won't be happy about it. You guys might want to remember to not count your chickens before they hatch. But, you already are.

[ObamaFan]

20. Hey

Stay hopeful.

Stay inspired.

Stay focused.

Stay tuned.

Don't be swayed by venom.

[Florida22ndDistrict]

21. RE: Why do Clinton supporters save most of their venom for Obama's young voters?

Clinton has been bashing the youth for years, saying things like they are lazy, have no moral compass, no since of responsibility, etc. Go back to before she announced her candidacy and watch some of her speeches. She regularly spouts this crap to middle aged to older Americans at fund raising events. My guess is that her supports are just repeating the message she so widely used in the past. She obviously has tried to cater to the older vote, by making mandated health care her primary issue. Her plan really only helps the health insurance companies and the old, while penalizing the young. It doesn't take a genius to realize that she has a chip on her shoulder against the youth. The youth have not had the best voter turn out in the past either, so she probably felt she was safe.

[Medusa]

22. Jealously?

Just a guess.

[mckeown1128]

23. "latte drinking" "prius driving babies".....

So Hillary has gone straight into Rush talking points.

[casus belli]

33. Have to wonder how many people that made uncomfortable at her own rally. n/t

[nomorewhopper]

24. I've seen message after message on these forums condemning the youth

bashing our ignorance
bashing our innocence
bashing our intelligence

it doesn't really bother me. i kind of figure this board to be one with a much older demographic than most.

edited to add: i hadn't seen video of that speech. it makes me feel sick that somebody could do that to another member of his party. are we really that different?
was he getting booed towards the end? i noticed many rounds of applause as well.

[QC]

25. Quite a lot of the venom on this forum comes from new arrivals with Obama avatars.

That might have something to do with it.

[YOY]

29. They're young, angry, and reinfranchised

What do you expect?

I'm not so young anymore, but the latter 2 adjectives fit me as well.

[QC]

35. I agree, but they are so busy heaping that anger on fellow Democrats

that they don't seem to have much left over for the Republicans.

[YOY]

38. I think it's more anger on an establishment that over the past 28 years

(Most of my/their lives if not all) that really seems to be the same old-same old.

Hillary has not been nice to the youth block with her "anti-video game" rhetoric...you don't hear about it much but she pissed off a good number of growing people that have actually played them and have not become violent criminals. That rhetoric would have worked 8 years ago but now more and more of us are becoming adults and we can recognize bs where we see it. That's just one example of how she and Bill have stapled themselves as "part of the establishment".

They're will be PLENTY left over for Republicans.

I'm just getting my ire warmed up for them.

[Tyler Durden]

47. I hope you don't need us like you think you don't...

Us kids in 1972 thought the same stupid thing.

[Maven]

27. Are you JOKING? Obama supporters have actually posted long diatribes telling older voters

they don't matter, they're out of touch, they're responsible for all our problems today and they should basically STFU.

And you have the nerve to pull this shit?

[ShortnFiery]

30. *Some* Obama voters (I only noted one). This fiery old broad (49 y.o.) feels like a part of the ...

Obama Team. There are people who are "less than sensitive to others" in every forum.

Please don't paint Obama supporters with THAT (we don't like old folk) with that broad brush? - it's in error.

[Tyler Durden]

50. I wish you were right. You're not.

I peeled my face off the screen in 2004, and I take the pulse of the community.

The young Obama Supporters TOLERATE you, but they don't TRUST you, and mostly, they don't LIKE you.

Welcome to 1972 revisited.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

75. Broad brush

How can you claim that my generation of young voters doesn't LIKE the older generation?

[GarbagemanLB]

31. Wow, I confused that video for a CPAC rally.

[cooolandrew]

32. Whoa, that guy is so inspirational. Fried up and ..ready to give up. erm whoa...

[ShortnFiery]

34. nevermind.

:blush:

[rodeodance]

36. POT MEET KETTLE-enough said.

[Jamastiene]

37. Here, have a

:D

[knixphan]

40. YOUNG and OLD

paperbag_ princess,

I'm a middle-aged dem as well, and my proposal is this: The young folks NEED to yell and shout. Let them! They're yelling for our team.

Where they will need our steady hand is AFTER the pres is elected. We are the ones who will show them how to put their congressmen on speed-dial, how to work the legislative branch long-game as well as the flashy presidential election.

The older are wiser, the younger are stronger.

Best case is to take advantage of both, and together we become a force to be reckoned with.

[loveangelc]

42. Because some of them hate the fact that younger people are smart enough to sense her fakery.

[Darth_Kitten]

45. Maybe because they are smart and sensible enough not to fall for the latest fad?

Maybe because "some" younger voters think this election is about them and ONLY them. Look at me, I'm voting for the first time. Big f#$#@## deal!

If you HONESTLY think Obama's your candidate, all the more power to you, but if you are just jumping on the Obama bandwagon because it's the "cool" thing to prove you "aren't" racist, etc, etc, then why shouldn't others roll their eyes.
Maybe know it all younger people are just plain annoying.

[loveangelc]

68. You just prove how out of touch you are.

young people are supporting obama because theyre trying to prove theyre not racist? that is laughable.

oh and apparently a lot of old voters think the election is only about THEM. when young people start voting they have a fit because they don't vote for the exact reasons they want us to.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

76. LOL... yeah we are really trying to "prove" to the Jim Crow generation that we aren't racist

:rofl:

[Hutzpa]

46. Watch the response of the folks behind

him, they are not listening to his thrash talking, they are basically talking while,
also listen to heckling.

What a shmables.

:evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Lex Talionis]

51. Because young people don't want to drink the same koolaid,

Their parents have been drinking.

[knixphan]

52. First-time voters

I salute you! Don't let anyone rain on that parade... Enjoy your first primary season!

WELCOME to democracy. Your vote matters, not just for president, but for your Senators and Reps.

We desperately need a 60% majority in the legislative branch. KEEP VOTING!

Go Dems!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[knixphan]

78. merci!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. The people in the crowd behind him look perplexed and uncomfortable

His speech is not going over too well. Judging from some of the comments on the youtube, this "Buffy" guy isn't held in too high esteem by his union.

[LadyVT]

55. I have been called a number of insults for supporting Clinton here

Nearly every time I post, as a matter of fact.

[Raydawg1234]

56. well, take confort in the fact that none of it matters, Just useless internet banter.

[ContinentalOp]

57. The boomers never give up.

They will never give up thinking that they are the center of the universe and the greatest generation ever. Boomers simply can't stand the thought of anyone other than themselves having any kind of power or voice. While Obama is (just barely) a boomer himself, he's not really "one of them" in spirit. He was only 8 years old by the end of the 60s. So the radical 60s generation is faced with the likelihood that their ultimate and final political legacy will have been 8 years of GWB!

[End Of The Road]

64. A good example of why you younger folks get picked on

There are 78 million boomers (that's a 2005 census figure) and you make sweeping generalizations that they're all alike.

[ContinentalOp]

70. Not all boomers are alike,

but as long as we're speaking in terms of generations then generalizations are being made. I don't think it's a generalization to say that the generation's defining political moment was the peace movement of the late 60s. And yet in terms of the office of the president, the boomer legacy is 8 years of a centrist Clinton presidency and 8 years of Bush. Maybe some boomers view Hillary as their last chance at grabbing onto some kind of progressive presidential legacy for their generation.

Every generation probably leans toward the candidate that feels like "one of them." The problem, as you point out is that young people are so dwarfed by the sheer size of the boomer generation that we have never had any real political power. So I think there is a sort of generational tyranny at work where the boomers are used to being in control. Fortunately that is changing as the demographics shift (Gen Y rivals the boomers in size) and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that some boomers are going to have trouble letting go of that power.

[End Of The Road]

71. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

I appreciate it.

There is one thing I'd ask you think about, if I may. There are ahelluvalot of boomers who are middle class, lower class & poor, and many of them feel that they've never had any real political power either. The boomers who are going to have trouble letting go of power are the wealthy elites (many of whom are repubs) -- and I'm with you there -- let's get rid of them as fast as possible!

I see the younger and the older on DU sharing the same fundamentals, with only minor differences.

[ContinentalOp]

74. True,

I didn't mean the genuine power that Washington insiders or corporate elites have. Of course in a certain sense you could argue that none of us have any REAL power.

But there is definitely a strength in the Boomers' numbers. You just have to take a look at advertising on TV to see how completely our society is geared toward pleasing Boomers in the name of getting their dollars. Due to the size of their voting block they also control the issues that dominate American politics. Sure, social security may be an issue NOW but let's see what happens when Gen X retires.

I think it's hard to deny that Bill Clinton's presidency gave a renewed sense of optimism and involvement to a large segment of 60s-era liberals after the doldrums of Reagan's 80s. Younger generations have never really had that. In terms of a generational dynamic, I remember the Clinton years as an era where my generation was consistently told what a bunch of lazy good for nothing slackers we were. Not to mention the strange, barely concealed glee that some seemed to exhibit when the internet bubble burst.

So I think another Clinton presidency would represent a return to some kind of mythical golden era to some Boomers. And when young people choose to support Obama, I think some boomers might subconsciously see it as an attack on the privileged status they have enjoyed for decades.

[knixphan]

60. the real conflict

Isn't between Hillary and Barack

Isn't between Hillary's supporters and Barack's supporters

Isn't between Boomers and X'ers

Isn't between Dems and Repubs...

It's between a small portion of the wealthiest 1% (who wants the middle-class destroyed)
....and everyone else.

[insanity]

61. When I posted that Obama offered me a job in NH

Members of DU spat venom on me.

Sorry that I don't support your candidate, but shit, at least be happy that my generation is finally owning up to the responsibility of democracy.

This is why I am voting Obama, because it is our fucking turn... the older generations have messed it up too bad.

[blogslut]

65. Sorry

I couldn't watch the whole thing. What a horrid man.

As for picking on the young people, well, that is a big mistake. A big, stinking mistake.

[miceelf]

72. wow

That could have been any of a myriad of right-wing blowhards.

I have seen a lot of very positive and thoughtful Hillary supporters. But she also has a set like this.

[blues90]

77. perhaps it's an age difference

As an early boomer we got the same thing from the older generation . Now that I am older I can see why . they felt and for good reason we were not up enough in politics to make a good choice .

All the youth think they have all the answers and are easy to manipulate .

Part of it may also be that the older generation is not ready nore trusts the picture of this future that is so vaguely painted .

Everyone wants change but people have to know what that is . No one wants to be left out .

We were more into stopping a war than into campaigns even though this was part of stopping the war . It took a long time and we were lied to by Nixon who said he would end it .

I don't feel either Hillary or Obama have the intent on ending this one either . Get lied to enough times and you become difficult to fool and it's difficult to buy into anything that looks too good .

Personally I still can't get past Obamas Reagan comments , he just slipped right past that one .