Clinton Campaign Death Watch; When Will Hillary Call It Quits??

[John Q. Citizen]

Poll question: Clinton Campaign Death Watch; When Will Hillary Call It Quits??

Many people who watch politics are surprised that Hillary Clinton is still in this nomination race. Trailing in delegates with time running out, it appears highly unlikely that Hillary will be able to secure enough delegates to win.

While it's still theoretically possible that Hillary could secure a majority of the elected delegates, it's considered an extreme long shot that she would be able to do this.

She would need to win all remaining state primaries by at least a 65% margin of victory.

No one actually believes this is possible. However, for some reason the candidate refuses to face the facts and throw in the towel.


So when will Hillary acknowledge reality?

[BOSSHOG]

1. Help me out

If Obama won every remaining delegate would he have enough to secure the nomination? I believe the answer is no. So why would a person in her position get out of the race?

I will proudly and with gusto vote for the Dem Party Nomination. I feel the need to post that so I won't get raped and pillaged by Obama supporters, it seems to be their modus operandi on here nowadays.

[FormerDittoHead]

13. Simply, there is no way the delegates, super or otherwise, would go against the majority of voters..

After all the bluster about Bush and 2000, wouldn't it be a teesy-weensy bit hypocritical to end up with a candidate who got fewer popular votes?

It would tear the party apart, and while Hillary may give it a shot, I trust the delegates to have the better interests of the party in mind...

[tekisui]

16. If he won EVERY delegate, yes. In fact if he wins 55%+ of the

remaining delegates, he would win. He is only around 660 shy. there are still 1,112 left to be allocated.

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Do you believe it is within the realm of possibility that Clinton can win a majority of the

elected delegates?

Do you believe it is the interests of the party to award the nomination to a candidate who doesn't win the majority of elected delegates?

And finally, do you believe that pointing out the math, that Clinton can't win a majority of elected delegates, is equivalent to "rape?"



My answers to my questions are as follows, but i would be interested in your answers as well.

1. Clinton can't win a majority of elected delegates. It's already to late for that.

2. The party would be suicidal to award the nomination to the loser of the delegate election process.

3. Equating pointing out the impossibility of Clinton winning a majority of the elected delegates with rape is about as dishonest as it gets. It demeans actual victims of rape, and it's the wrong word to describe the situation.

[BOSSHOG]

23. Thanks for proving my point

[John Q. Citizen]

26. What point did you make that you think I proved?

[BOSSHOG]

28. I've found it incredibly difficult

these past few months to have a civil conversation with an Obama supporter unless I am singing his praises. I've yet to trace the origins of that huge chip on your shoulders.

I continue to be a General Clark supporter and I vow my total support and maybe a few bucks to the dem party nominee..

[John Q. Citizen]

29. I'm a reluctant Obama supporter. Kucinich to leaning Edwards to Obama.

[BOSSHOG]

30. General Clark did not get in the race

and my state (Mississippi's) primary is not until 11 March, which at one time in the not too distant past I thought it was irrelevant if not impotent. So I have not delved into the Dem Primary Universe much this election cycle. But maybe my primary vote might mean something after all. The Dem nomination to be decided in the Piney Woods of Mississippi. Intersting headline.

[John Q. Citizen]

33. Ours is June 3rd (MT) But I think the handwriting is already on the wall.

I predict both of our states will be in Obama's column, whether Hill drops out before or after.

[mtnsnake]

2. January 20th, 2017 when Chelsea gets sworn in

That would be my best guess when Hillary calls it quits

[robbedvoter]

3. Mmm...Hope and change! I knew I won't be disappointed looking for it here

[Tellurian]

10. The "SNEER" of Arrogance..

I guarantee Obama has been chastised for getting caught with his arrogant nose in air.. Not that he feels any remorse for such shameful behavior...but that he got caught on camera as his true self..

This picture is worth a thousand words and should be plastered everywhere showing Obama for the arrogant hypocrite he really is..

[nomorewhopper]

4. Even Bill Clinton acknowledged that she "wont be the nominee" if she doesn't win big in TX, OH

the only way for her to win the convention, barring some scandalous "onohedidnt" moment regarding the obama campaign, is to use the superdelegates to achieve victory.


even so, to even be able to do that, she needs to crush obama in ohio and texas to get the delegate count close again.


she is out of money. who is going to fund her? does she want to risk her entire political career to try to subvert the public vote (who by march 5 will have voted overwhelmingly for obama)

[peace13]

5. She is like a cat over a toilet bowl.

She will never give in and will scratch at Obama's eyes until she gets her way. Sorry to say, even though it looks like she's about to empty her bag of tricks what we don't see are the unopened bags in the wings. Don't trust her or Bill, who seems to be wildly out of control. peace, Kim

[Dogmudgeon]

8. Is that for real?

She will never give in and will scratch at Obama's eyes until she gets her way. Sorry to say, even though it looks like she's about to empty her bag of tricks what we don't see are the unopened bags in the wings. Don't trust her or Bill, who seems to be wildly out of control. peace, Kim (Emphasis mine.)

You made a minimum of seven defamatory, unsupported statements, all in the space of about sixty words -- and then finished your post with "peace, Kim".

Re-read that. Doesn't something seem a little off about that?

What kind of peace do you want, Kim? The peace of solidarity, or the peace of the destruction of those you hate?

--p!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. The Peace Of The Dead...What Do You Think?

~

[peace13]

17. I am tired of her campaigns theatrics.

Yes, let's FINALLY get down to where the PEACE comes in. I didn't know that you cared. Hillary stood on the the floor and sold Iraq to the American people. Using the exact talking points of our selected pResident. You too can see the footage on youtube if you care. Now she has the audacity to campaign and insert threats of attack and boo be afraid. Where is the peace? Not in the Clinton campaign. As for me the peace is in going to DC and making a stand for Americans against the war, organizing and participating in local peace vigils on Tuesdays and Saturdays in my neighborhood (feel free to join us), repeatedly calling senate and congress members to support the troops and displaying a memorial in our yard (since December 2005)to the American soldiers who serve our county through thick and thin and are in desperate need of a leader who believes in peace. Hope that helps. Peace and love, Kim

[peace13]

22. It's funny...

I answered your attack, you could at least do the courtesy of acknowledging me. I will add here that hate is not a term that I use. I admit that I have been speaking out against this war since the run up to it and am exhausted by it. The violence that this war has reigned on our planet has pushed the limits of patience, not to mention the deaths and dismemberment of millions of people. I will retract my cat over the toilet bowl statement with apologies.

[Dogmudgeon]

25. I can only handle one reply at a time.

I also take the time to make my posts substantive. I can do it fast, but not as fast as text-chat.

Your issue is peace, right?

I'm going to assume that you launched a number of attacks on the Clintons because of your outrage over the war. If I am wrong, I will stand corrected. But if you are outraged over the war, throwing the kitchen sink at both Bill and Hillary makes little sense. However, it IS the common sort of "criticism" by most of the Obama supporters here -- poison the well, post Mr. Rofl, repeat the slogans, and when pressed, cite the war vote.

Are you aware that Barack Obama has approved nearly every war appropriation, extension, and expansion bill that has crossed his desk? He has exactly ONE criticism he can make about the war, and it's the vote he never had to face. It's the vote his campaign has cynically used to destroy support for Hillary Clinton. Point Obama already. Well, politics is a rough game, but Obama has crossed the line into hypocrisy with this one -- not by attacking HRC for her vote, but by squirming out of his own responsibility and playing the part of the outraged pacifist. And the complete absence of scrutiny of his voting record, coupled with self-righteous outrage, makes the anti-war Left look like a bunch of lovestruck teenage rock and roll fans, not active citizens striving to end war and America's fatal commitment to imperialism.

Yes, Hillary voted wrong to allow Bush to take us to war. And she voted wrong to prolong the war, too. It does NOT absolve Barack Obama from likewise supporting the war ... and then pretending to be superior to Hillary Clinton.

You don't have to make apologies. Just stop poisoning the well with the primary-season gossip and spin of your candidate. When the opportunity for intra-party reconciliation comes, seize it. We are dealing with two politicians here. Remarkable politicians, certainly, but politicians none the less. If we want to end the war, we will have to take the flame to their feet ourselves. I trust both Hillary and Obama far more than any Republican, but their motivation has to come from us. It is too serious to leave it to the politicians.

It stinks, I know, but there is no other way.

Peace, Kim -- really, actually, sincerely, peace.

--p!

[peace13]

31. Thank you for the sincere comments.

'Just stop poisoning the well with the primary-season gossip and spin of your candidate.' A bridge builder you are not. You are lost and full of what you think you know. Maybe that is against DU rules but at some point it just has to be said. Congrats, you are my second ignore in all time.

[Dogmudgeon]

34. I built the bridge. You pooped on it.

So much for "peace".

I thought I was making a little sense. But then I remembered, this is GD-P, the land of thin skins and thick skulls.

You may not see this post, but other people might, and that's the whole point of politics. And I still don't know why angry people think it's such a punishing blow to put someone on ignore.

:shrug:

--p!

[Tarc]

6. Pie-in-the-sky push polls from the worst O-Bot in the DU?

:rofl:

[onehandle]

7. Classy!

Who needs democracy?

Some Obama supporters are pure class!

[GarbagemanLB]

9. If she loses both Texas and Ohio, I'd hope soon after that. If she wins one, not for a while.

[calmblueocean]

11. It's not about math at this point. It's about waiting for an Obama collapse.

Hillary is betting that Obama's campaign, by the time we get to the convention, will be less electable than hers. Maybe through more Michelle Obama gaffes, maybe through something else Barack Obama says or does, or something revealed about him during the vetting process in the weeks to come. But she's betting Obama will be taken down by some press scandal. She intends to "wait in the wings" and offer herself up as the most electable candidate to the superdelegates. That's why I think she won't leave the race until the convention is almost upon us.

[GarbagemanLB]

12. I sometimes play the megamillions lottery too...but I know the odds of winning that.

[greguganus]

14. They will have to taser her and drag her out of the convention. n/t

[HeraldSquare212]

18. I think money might be a bigger issue than we think.

She may just run out of gas.

[backscatter712]

19. When the money runs out.

She'll still have something in her war chest after getting trounced in at least one of Ohio and Texas on March 4th, but when that happens, most of her remaining donors will abandon her. She'll continue to struggle on until Pennsylvania, but by that time, she won't be able to match ads, boots on the ground or be able to get any control of the news cycles, and Pennsylvania will be the end. After that, she'll be almost completely out of cash, and bow out.

[depakid]

21. "Many people who watch politics are surprised that Hillary Clinton is still in this nomination race"

And who might that be?

No one who knows much about politics or the Clintons, that's for sure.

[Marrah_G]

24. Thanks for the positive and inclusive post---

I would say alot more but it would get this deleted and possibly myself banned.

On the advise of a friend I am going to start adding people to the ignore list again. You are number 4 for today.

Good riddance.

[John Q. Citizen]

27. I am honered!

I don't use ignore, because I am generally able to control my emotional responces to people who disagree with me.

For those who aren't, ignore is a very good tool.

[Tyler Durden]

37. No, you are a BOOR.

If we lose in November, you can count the attitude of people like you as a good part of the reason.

Keep it up.

[John Q. Citizen]

38. I'm just glad that

people like you are around to set people like me straight. It's good to know the master race is alive and well, taking care of all the really important stuff.

Thanks for all you do.

Good luck.

GoBama!

[Greyskye]

32. Beware the Nones of March

The Ides are a little late.

[thoughtcrime1984]

35. By the sounds of her ground game in Texas, she may lose there

It'd be hard to believe that they have a strong set-up in Ohio, either. It's just a matter of time. We can wait, if we must, but the result will still be the same, IMO.

[FlyingSquirrel]

36. 65% has been bandied around but is absolutely false

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4693160&mesg_id=4693160

She would need a scenario like this: Ohio 58%, Texas 56%, RI 54%, VT 53%, PA 60%

Then a combined average of 50% in remaining states.

This would put her within 82 of winning. If she could seat EITHER FL or MI, she could pick some of that up right there. But EVEN IF NOT, and she were still ahead by, say, 60 superdelegates (she's currently ahead by 70), then the overall difference at that point would be only 20 delegates. She could make the case that the remaining Supers should vote their conscience and not just go with the leader.

I don't see it happening absent a MAJOR mistake by the Obama campaign. But the possibility does exist, and the bar is much lower than 65%.