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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:52 PM
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"It's a cluster#%@! Just a cluster#%@!" - Wheels Come Off Clinton Campaign in Victoria, TX
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 03:13 PM by Dems Will Win
Ruh-Roh.

"It's a clusterfuck! Just a clusterfuck!" the Corpus Christi producer for a local news affiliate shouts into his cell phone. He's telling his boss that there will be no coverage of Bill Clinton's visit to Victoria for the 6 o'clock news. "Who's running this campaign anyway?" the producer asks, of no one in particular. "And now five hundred people have stomped away mad." He shakes his head. At that moment, twenty well-dressed elderly and middle-aged dignitaries and politicians exit the back of the local arts center and walk slowly for the intersection of Goodwin and Main. Presumably, they are Hillary Clinton supporters; however, given their dazed faces, they look more like commissars who have been turned out by the NKVD and cannot believe how suddenly their fortunes have changed.

With his Secret Service agents at his side, Bill Clinton walks the short block without acknowledging the little group of eminent supporters. (They are never introduced or explained.) A rumpled Dolores Huerta (she's been wearing the same clothes for several days) trails behind. An aide helps Clinton and Huerta up onto the tailgate of a pick-up truck. Although Huerta has been feisty on the campaign trail for Hillary, she's perfunctory tonight. Few, if any, of the crowd ringing the intersection know who she is. Bill Clinton takes the microphone, which barks in the damp air. It's twilight and more rain is on the way. Bill Clinton has already spoken today at Galveston and Beaumont. He's going to be very late for his last appearance of the night at the University of Houston. Here in Victoria the former president, standing on the tailgate, at first seems to love the unplanned venue. But he never hits his stride and in disjointed fashion rushes through his speech, a shorter version (without any of the swipes at Obama) of the one I heard last week in Nacogdoches. Huerta and Clinton are on autopilot, and the crowd knows it. Only from one curb where the local organizer churns enthusiasm is there much response to Clinton's words. Most of the folks, and there must be a thousand people in all, including those hanging over the balconies of a parking garage, are merely curious.

The debacle in Victoria illustrates why a ground operation is important. The details of planning have been left to a local volunteer, and she has been overwhelmed. How was she to know the needs of the live press? Or that live press often arrive before the print media? (This confusion led to some journalists being locked out.) Or the possibility of having to entertain a restive audience, because this former president typically runs very late? Actually, the citizens of Victoria were patient, sitting quietly in the Welder Center auditorium for three hours waiting for Bill Clinton. Many people had brought their children, and they were patient, too. But when a young Clinton aide appeared on the podium and announced that the rally was being moved to the street, so that Bill Clinton could address a larger crowd from the back of a truck, displeasure was expressed all 'round. Many families left in disgust. They had arrived early to get seats--and now they were being told they had to stand on the street? But the anger of the locals was nothing compared to that of the Texas press. The press had been waiting for hours, too; it had taken time to lay cables and run through all the fussing and tweaking cameramen typically do. And when the press trudged out the auditorium doors, they discovered that their umbrellas, which had been confiscated as some kind of security measure (the only one), had been appropriated, undoubtedly by the disgruntled locals.

In the end, there was only a slightly larger throng on the street than there would have been if the rally had been kept in the auditorium, with the audio/video feed for the overflow in the foyer. The rally had been set originally for the town square; somehow no one had thought to check the weather forecast in southeast Texas this week. More importantly, there was no Clinton organizer on the ground ahead-of-time in Victoria to make the right decision about the venue and to have the clout to tell Bill Clinton and his entourage, when they arrived, that moving the rally to the street was a bad idea. Poor decision-making likely cost Hillary Clinton more than a few votes in Victoria.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/clintons-texas-ground-ga_b_87723.html

EyeWantOneNation comments:

Mayhill Fowler was very kind in her assessment of the Clinton campaign in Victoria, Texas.

Let me tell the readers here, that Portland and Victoria are two areas north of Corpus Christi where the "affluent" locals live. To start out in the auditorium, and move people outside, in the rain, was as the reporter put it: "A clusterfuck"!!!

This is absolutely typical of the Clinton campaign in the past few weeks. From the time Hillary started rallies, only 2,000 to 4,000 have showed up. The majority of the 4,000 in Robstown were bussed in College students, high school and even middle school kids !!! Hillary was 40 minutes late getting on-stage !!! Only spoke for 25 minutes, and left...after advertising it was to be a "town-hall event, with questions and answers". It didn't happen!!

The lack of organization has been far too clear to see here in Texas. At every rally, there seems to be Clinton volunteers running around, not knowing what to do.


PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU THINK THIS IS TELLING
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:54 PM
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1. Just reading the header of your thread leads me to believe
It's just another Obama supporter writing an article to make the Clintons look bad. If I were to take you serious I'd remove the offensive words from the header.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 02:55 PM
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2. Clusterfuck is offensive?
Since when?

That word describes what Hillary's campaign is right now.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:03 PM
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6. Given the fact that most people including many Clinton supporters
now realize that the nomination has been decided I perceive that there has been a shift in manners. It would be adviseable for those of us who are Obama supporters to understate rather than overstate what is now obvious. I have also been guilty of this but would not suggest a more neutral title like - Ongoing ground problems plague Clinton in Texas - will be more effective. More people will read it and not take offense at it.

What would have been seen as perfectly normal 2 weeks ago is now being perceived as pouring salt in the wounds - unnecessarily.

Thank you for your post and if you are kind enough to edit your subject line I thank you in advance.

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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:12 PM
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10. That was eloquent as fuck.
:)

Seriously, it's appreciated.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:16 PM
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12. Edited it to cluster#%@! for sensibilities
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 03:22 PM by Dems Will Win
It IS a direct quote from the published Off The Bus report.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:32 PM
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30. Fucking generous of you
But I think the campaign's wheels ARE coming off. If Hillary's people hope to put this together, they had better coordinate some boffo appearances in the big cities and college campuses, and drop the pretense that they can operate in far-flung areas, which is classic Clinton campaign. Thier hubris knows no bounds, because they are the "big campaign". But the locals get miffed at the way they shove everyone around once they get there.

I LOVE Hillary the candidate but her taste in who she surrounds herself with and their consistent bad moves pretty much proves up what I've been saying since 18 months ago. That she's been insulated inside the beltway too long to effectively campaign from a secondary position.


I know people in the campaign, good frineds and fellow Democrats, and they tell me the strife and fire alarm tone is really taking its toll.


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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:05 PM
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7. Depending on your point of view, a clusterfuck can be a good thing.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:39 PM
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19. Yeh, but try bringing a cluster home to meet your mother
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:00 PM
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3. It's on Obamapost.com
What else can you expect?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:06 PM
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8. Huffingtonpost is now Obamapost? LOL!
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 03:16 PM by Buzz Clik
Jesu Cristo. You people sound more and more like neocons every day.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:14 PM
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11. You're right .. scant difference in those "moderates" and the neocons.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:52 PM
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20. Gimme a break.
Their bias is so obvious they don't even try to hide it any more.

And you're supporting the candidate of "compromise" with Republicans. So GTFO with your "you sound like a neocon" smear, hypocrite.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:59 PM
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23. Wah waa waa. The media are picking on me.
"I love Keith Olbermann. What? He was critical of Hillary? He's sold out!"

"Moveon.org -- wasn't it great what they said about Petraeus? They endorsed Obama? They hate Hillary and always have!"

"Huffingtonpost featured a column that wasn't flattering to Clinton. Biased!"

I posted for years on neocon websites, and I know exactly what a neocon sounds like. Take your whining and replace "Hillary Clinton" with "George Bush" and you can summarize the past 8 years.

I never thought I'd see it here. I was wrong.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 04:09 PM
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25. ...
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 04:16 PM by Harvey Korman
"I posted for years on neocon websites."

Well that explains a lot.

If you can't see the anti-Clinton bias at Huffington Post, with slanted, sensationalistic headlines and unflattering photos of Clinton that would make Drudge blush at times, then maybe you've spent a little too much time chatting with your neocon friends.
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:02 PM
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5. No, it's just another example of why Obama is winning and she is losing.
His campaign events run like clockwork. I've heard lots of similar stories about hers.

His campaign is efficient and organized. Her's has obviously been poorly run, poorly guided from a strategy standpoint and poorly executed.

Says a lot to me about who would be better to run the country. If you can't run your own campaign how can I expect you to be able to run an administration.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:02 PM
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4. sad. lol
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:07 PM
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9. Looks like there's no ground game
I wouldn't want to judge too much from one badly-managed rally, but it's widely acknowledged that the Clinton campaign built their strategy around a convincing victory on Super Tuesday rather than a long haul.

By contrast, I was looking for some photos yesterday of Obama's rally in Texas, and found this: http://texansforobama.typepad.com/blog/obama_visits_texas/index.html

Well, that looks great, I thought. 21,800 people! Then I looked at the date. This was A YEAR AGO - just after he announced his candidacy. Moral: plan ahead. Far ahead.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:17 PM
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13. This campaign has shown to all which candidate is actually ready for "Day One"
His campaign has been damn near flawless, from the staffing, strategy, organization, finances, ability to respond quickly and effectively after unforeseen events, etc. I know that it does not auotmatically mean that an Obama White House would be run as well, but it sure gives me some confidence in him, and removes most of my uncertainty that I previously had about him (I started out as a Biden supporter, and think/hope Biden will be Secretary of State or Defense).
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:34 PM
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18. I don't thinkHillary
thought she'd ever be in this position, that's she'd ever need that much of a ground game. She definitely 'misunderestimated' her opponent.

I remember a conversation I had with a history professor friend of mine and long time political junkie who felt that Hillary would easily win the nomination and would win the WHite House. She still may do both but that sense of inevitability is long gone. THe "experts" sure didn't predict this one.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:56 PM
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21. Exactly - she ran with the same expecation of winning as an incumbent would
It's all hindsight of course, but her campaign has made so many mistakes - and many of them seem to parallel mistakes we've seen with the current administration.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:07 PM
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27. If you told me a year ago it would look like this I'd have eaten my hat.
I think a lot of us figured it was a lock for Clinton.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:22 PM
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28. Yep.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 05:23 PM by Mz Pip
It was going to be Clinton v. Giuliani (remember him?!)

Seems like eons ago.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:20 PM
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15. Damn! What a crowd.
In a selfish way, I hope this thing is still going in May so that Obama will come to Indiana.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:20 PM
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14. While I think the title of this post is over the line
I also think that the Clinton campaign has been poorly organized in comparison to the Obama campaign. Apparently, Clinton had no plan in place for an extended primary campaign, and it shows.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:21 PM
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16. Why isn't that new 527 working on her ground game instead of running ads?
They need to hire some crack organizers and a ton of staffers and bombard the remaining states. Obama is winning because of his organization more than anything else.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:24 PM
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17. You're not allowed to advocate for any candidate with a 527
They are supposed to be issue groups.

Obviously CLINTON IS BREAKING THE LAW on the 527s by having her biggest inside supporters like Alan Patricoff support this and not say it is an adovacy campaign.

The FEC will no doubt fine her or these supporters -- but later, next year.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 03:58 PM
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22. That would be a ticket to jail
there can be no communication between the two operations. If one is determined it will result in criminal prosecution.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 04:13 PM
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26. Frankly, they should stay as far away from the official Clinton "organization" as they can!
That would be like getting the reverse Midas touch.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 04:01 PM
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24. wow. When did Hillary Clinton become Bob Dole?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:40 PM
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39. She hasn't fallen off a stage
Yet.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:24 PM
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29. Wow, just wow...no wonder she has lost
This evening, gathered together on the corner of Goodwin and Main, we should be following along as Bill Clinton recites a story we all know well--the press mumbling and grumbling, because we've heard the story so many times, the crowd enchanted to be treated to a familiar tale told, and told well, again. But the Clinton Campaign never wrote the Hillary Story, that engaging narrative of her journey as a young woman from Illinois to Arkansas through Texas. Only now are Americans hearing bits and pieces, and Bill Clinton struggles to arrange them into narrative from the back of a white pick-up truck in Victoria.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:53 PM
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33. If they had just used Bill to tell the Hillary Story, she would have had a real campaign
against Obama -- but she still would have likely lost because of the rest of her doomed Giuliani-like strategy.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:40 PM
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31. Please folks - this isn't a media attack on Clinton - these stories are everywhere
In town after town, this is what is being heard about the Clinton campaign on the ground. Wes Clarke said the same thing in Wisconsin. The Clintons have always been late and unlikely to follow a game plan once there, but at least in 92, the people on the ground were at the top of their game. Now, there seems to be a total lack of any cohesion between locals on the ground and the campaign HQ. It's a huge problem, and probably the reason she is losing this race.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:46 PM
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32. Good thing she's Ready to Lead on Day One, huh?
Pay no attention to the fact that she can't run her own campaign ... You'll just have to trust her to run the country, which we all know is SO much easier to run than a political campaign.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:28 PM
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37. Ready on Day One to run the country into the ground -- like her campaign
She is grossly incompetent - could not even file a full slate of delegates in PA!!

No one is excited about her...
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:42 PM
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40. Exactimundo! n/t
n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 05:54 PM
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34. K & R
:thumbsup:
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:04 PM
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35. With this anectodal evidence I would predict yet another
Obama blowout, mid-double-digits. :dem:
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 06:15 PM
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36. It will be interesting to see how the Obama rally in Victoria area goes
and what the final vote is there.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:32 PM
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38. Yeah, see, this is what happens...
when you hire FEMA to run your campaign.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:46 PM
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41. What the hell are you talking about? It's nothing like FEMA.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 07:46 PM by XemaSab
With FEMA it's a disaster BEFORE they get there. With the Clintons it's not a disaster UNTIL they get there. :P
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 07:56 PM
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42. The Clinton campaign in Texas is in complete disarray.
Edited on Thu Feb-21-08 07:57 PM by TexasObserver
I've talked to a number of people in venues where Bill has spoken, and they are drawing small crowds that mainly want to see the former president because he's a former president and one they liked while he was in office. But the SALE of Hillary is not taking place.

They've got Bill going to smaller cities, trying to stoke those old Democratic coals in such places as Deep East Texas. The crowds are mainly older and white, except some of the south Texas venues.

A couple of old time pols in the state have witnessed the events and said "they're in deep trouble in Texas."

It's no secret I've been saying Obama would win Texas by 5-15 points since Super Tuesday, and that is happening as we watch. She won't drop below 40% and he won't go above 59% here, so I see 18-19% as his realistic ceiling for the margin of win. I now think his margin of victory will be between 8-19%.

Hillary's campaign doesn't have the organization, the advance men and women needed, the money, the staffers, or the voters to carry the day. It's going to be a big win for the BIG O in Texas.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-21-08 11:47 PM
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43. kick
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 10:02 AM
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44. kick
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