LCV - League of Conservation Voters 2007 Ratings just out - Clinton 73%, Obama 67%, McCain 0%

[jsamuel]

http://lcv.org/scorecard/

[dmallind]

1. But she's just like McCain! A clone! A Repub-Lite!

It must be wrong - I read this on DU that they are ideological twins.

[rodeodance]

9. thats why i seldom get facts from DU

[HeraldSquare212]

12. That would be the League of Bombing Things Voters scorecard, where they're much closer in scores.

[dmallind]

Hmmmm

HC - start drawing down troops in 60 days and get as many out as we can in a safe and responsible manner over time

JM - 100 years or a million is all the same to me!


yep - that's pretty close.

[dmallind]

19. Hmmmm

HC - start drawing down troops in 60 days and get as many out as we can in a safe and responsible manner over time

JM - 100 years or a million is all the same to me!


yep - that's pretty close.

[LostinVA]

2. One reason why RFK, Jr. endorsed her

[stahbrett]

6. Another reason is he wants her Senate seat (nt)

[Independent-Voter]

8. With folks seeing her nomination implosion, that seat's going to be getting hot soon

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Ya Think

In the worst case scenario she can run as an Indy and guarantee if she doesn't win the seat a Pug will...

[LostinVA]

15. Keep telling yourself that

:eyes:

[stahbrett]

18. No need for me to tell myself, RFK Jr. told the world - here's a link and quote:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1294908.ece

Excerpt:

Kennedy Jr is the third of Bobby Kennedy’s 11 children, and at 53 is best known as an environmental activist. He has never previously run for office, but he told Oprah Winfrey in an interview to be published next month in O, the chat show presenter’s magazine: “If Hillary left the Senate, I might run for that seat.”

It was not the first time that Kennedy Jr had hinted that he might enter politics, but Democratic sources saw his remarks as a blunt warning to possible rivals.

Despite his name and his family’s still formidable political clout, Kennedy Jr was long considered an unlikely contender for the high office occupied by so many other members of his family. His father was senator for New York from 1964 until he was shot dead in California in 1968; his uncle Jack was a senator before becoming president and his uncle Ted remains a senator for Massachusetts.

Yet Kennedy Jr’s career prospects were clouded by an arrest in 1983 for heroin possession after he was found unconscious on the floor of a South Dakota airport toilet with a needle stuck in his arm.

[Muttocracy]

3. missed votes bring down score for both of them; Clinton 89, 92, 88; Obama 96 before

leads to lifetime scores: clinton 90, Obama 96; http://www.lcv.org/voterguide/ has that data and more specific summaries.

A little more history on each of them: (the ? is a missed vote)

Clinton:

Vote Ratings
110th, 1st Session (2007) 73%
109th Congress (2005-2006) 89%
108th Congress (2003-2004) 92%
107th Congress (2001-2002) 88%

Scorecard Votes
Name of Legislation Voted Score
Rejected Eminent Domain 12/13/2007 ?
Rejected Oil Subsidies Repeal - Cloture 12/13/2007 Y
Rejected Farm Bill - Subsidy Caps 12/13/2007 Y
Rejected Farm Bill - Subsidy Reform 12/11/2007 ?
Rejected CAFE & Clean Energy - Cloture 12/07/2007 Y
Rejected Population 09/06/2007 ?
Passed CAFE & Energy Efficiency - Passage 06/21/2007 Y
Agreed To CAFE & Energy Efficiency - Cloture 06/21/2007 Y
Agreed To Biofuels 06/20/2007 Y
Rejected Liquid Coal 06/19/2007 N
Rejected Virginia Offshore Drilling 06/18/2007 ?
Agreed To Undermining Renewable Electricity 06/18/2007 Y
Rejected Oil Refineries 06/18/2007 N
Rejected Water Resources - Global Warming 05/15/2007 Y
Rejected Water Resources - Project Prioritization 05/15/2007 Y

Obama:
Vote Ratings
110th, 1st Session (2007) 67%
109th Congress (2005-2006) 96%
Scorecard Votes
Name of Legislation Voted Score
Rejected Eminent Domain 12/13/2007 ?
Rejected Oil Subsidies Repeal - Cloture 12/13/2007 Y
Rejected Farm Bill - Subsidy Caps 12/13/2007 Y
Rejected Farm Bill - Subsidy Reform 12/11/2007 ?
Rejected CAFE & Clean Energy - Cloture 12/07/2007 Y
Rejected Population 09/06/2007 ?
Passed CAFE & Energy Efficiency - Passage 06/21/2007 Y
Agreed To CAFE & Energy Efficiency - Cloture 06/21/2007 Y
Agreed To Biofuels 06/20/2007 Y
Rejected Liquid Coal 06/19/2007 N
Rejected Virginia Offshore Drilling 06/18/2007 ?
Agreed To Undermining Renewable Electricity 06/18/2007 Y
Rejected Oil Refineries 06/18/2007 N
Rejected Water Resources - Global Warming 05/15/2007 Y
Rejected Water Resources - Project Prioritization 05/15/2007 N

[UALRBSofL]

4. I would say McCain doesn't get the votes of the

Environmental Agency. It would seem they would endorse Clinton. :)

[Muttocracy]

5. McCain lifetime score = 26%

Not sure what you mean by "votes of the Environmental Agency"?

[UALRBSofL]

10. Here is a link to there site and environmentalists seem to vote based on a candidates record

http://www.epa.gov/

That's what I meant. I think environmentalists would tend to vote for Clinton with her voting record compared to McCain.

[Muttocracy]

13. EPA = Environmental Protection Agency, not an environmental group

It's the federal government agency. Equating it with "environmentalists" (say, LCV or Greenpeace or NWF or whatever) doesn't work.

It's also not the only federal agency that works on environmental issues (USDA, Dept. of Interior including USGS, etc.)

(edit to add - I use the EPA site very often, and go to meetings with EPA staff, many of whom ARE environmentalists)

[Straight Shooter]

7. Looks like they both missed the same votes

Any interpretations of that oddity?

Rejected Eminent Domain 12/13/2007
Rejected Farm Bill - Subsidy Reform 12/11/2007
Rejected Virginia Offshore Drilling 06/18/2007

[Muttocracy]

16. wonder when the debates were?

Would take some tracking down to figure out what those were - maybe they both missed them due to debates on dates near then? especially December.

The farm bill has so many subparts and votes it can be very hard to follow all the twists and turns!

[Straight Shooter]

20. The debates might be a reason.

Or maybe they had an agreement with one another not to vote, as is sometimes done amongst Senators. It would be interesting to know who else didn't vote that day on those.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Imagine that. I read on this forum that Obama has a perfect score.

[Muttocracy]

17. both of their lifetime scores are over 90 (for before 2007)

Either one will be such a tremendous improvement over BushCo, and a better alternative to McCain.